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Post by craigslowinski on Feb 26, 2020 20:35:39 GMT -5
Could be Jerry Hochman.
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Post by petsite on Feb 26, 2020 20:36:12 GMT -5
Or the photos I posted last week.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Feb 26, 2020 20:54:19 GMT -5
You can really see how much more slick the operation was at the corporate studio, compared to Western or Gold Star. The huge patch bay, all the outboard stuff, tons of tape machines, and a much more involved console (which was set up to record 8-track and beyond and had lots more inputs than the boards at the indies.) . To be fair, I'm sure Western 1 had something more comparable to CBS. Western 3, though, sometimes that control room looks more like a weird dorm room with gear sitting on top of other gear and whatnot.
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Post by Stephen W. Desper on Feb 26, 2020 21:10:19 GMT -5
COMMENT: If you think I like analog over digital you are correct, but I listen to LP's. Tapes, CDs and Hi-Res files. Any format can give me listening pleasure.
My experience over a fifty year period with all these formats, both as a recording engineer and as an audiophile is basically, if you start in digital -- stay in digital. If you start in analog -- stay with analog. The real culprit is in the transition from one format to another. Unfortunately, nature sound is analog, so you must convert to digital, but do it early on, even using digital microphones. Playback must be converted back to analog as we don't have digital loudspeakers.
Why many people prefer pure analog is that in analog the energy from the musicians is captivated by the microphone, stored, and then amplified and sent to your ear via the loudspeaker. This stream of analog energy connects the performer with the listener in a way that seems to allow the musical qualities an unbroken link of connection.
In digital, the energy is converted to information that is stored and then provided to another computer, which mimics the original sound. What some people detect as missing is the musical connection, since what the listener hears is not the musician, but a computer generated signal.
Taking it a step further, transistors are gates -- that is stepping devices, very small steps yes, but not pure analog. Tubes on the other hand are purely analog and continuous in operation. Some people are sensitive to this differing topology of how the signal is treated and prefer tubes.
The thing to remember is THERE IS NO RIGHT NOR WRONG IN ART, ONLY PREFERENCE. In other words, if it turns you on, go for it.
If you're really interested in this topic and like vintage stuff, take the time to watch this video. Listen to the engineer and the musicians speak to their impressions and experiences in the following >>>
sugarraysvintagerecordings.co.uk/the-studio/~swd
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Post by Stephen W. Desper on Feb 26, 2020 21:33:47 GMT -5
COMMENT to aeijtzsche: This ain't the Beach Boys, but it is about as vintage as you can get. I think you will enjoy it, even as far out as the concept is, the final result is surprisingly -- well, surprising. ~swd
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Feb 26, 2020 22:01:52 GMT -5
COMMENT to aeijtzsche: This ain't the Beach Boys, but it is about as vintage as you can get. I think you will enjoy it, even as far out as the concept is, the final result is surprisingly -- well, surprising. ~swd I'm reading a recent biography of Thomas Edison, and his experiments in recording are very interesting! Especially considering he was functionally deaf. At one point, to get a better orchestra sound, he had a giant horn built--he was very slow to embrace electrical imprinting--that was so large that a full grown man could enter it on the large end. He then had players of each orchestral instrument play standing in about 70 different spots on a grid so he could assess how it sounded at each spot--then he arranged the orchestra to play with each instrument in it's optimal spot.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Feb 26, 2020 22:08:39 GMT -5
Sugar Ray is a neat studio--I appreciate what they are trying to do and I think that it's a great way to give artists an experience.
I'd actually love to do something similar, only with a late 60's feel--sort of a working museum and education facility, that could both serve as a sort of library of knowledge but also a working studio that could give people the experience of working in the 4, 8, and 16-track era. I don't like the idea of being a slave to the "vintage" so for me it would be about focussing on the performance practices and beneficial technical limitations.
Here in New York there is the Museum of the Moving Image for film tech history--I think there is a need for an audio tech museum!
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Post by Stephen W. Desper on Feb 27, 2020 9:51:36 GMT -5
Sugar Ray is a neat studio--I appreciate what they are trying to do and I think that it's a great way to give artists an experience. I'd actually love to do something similar, only with a late 60's feel--sort of a working museum and education facility, that could both serve as a sort of library of knowledge but also a working studio that could give people the experience of working in the 4, 8, and 16-track era. I don't like the idea of being a slave to the "vintage" so for me it would be about focussing on the performance practices and beneficial technical limitations. Here in New York there is the Museum of the Moving Image for film tech history--I think there is a need for an audio tech museum! COMMENT to aeijtzsche: I have found that equipment -- not meaning instruments -- will indeed motivate musicians to a better performance. For example, if a guitarist is coming into the Control Room to hear a playback of what they just laid down, experiences a playback level that is less than the level they were experiencing in the studio, will usually want to do it again and may even think the performance is flawed. If you're taking the guitar or some electric instrument directly, you will usually get a better performance it the player does so in the Control Room listening over monitors, rather than headphones in the studio.
It's the song, and the performance of the song that sells a record, not the engineering, but the engineering can influence the performance. As to the Audio Tech Museum ... You've got some excellent ideas. Why don't you approach them with the vision of creating a wing or auxiliary audio museum to the moving image one. After all, sound and cinema have a common history. AND you would be just the person to organize such an extension. Go for it !! ~swd
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