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Not so: Carl handed in a master for his second solo album in the spring of 1982, and it was returned with a request for a "hit" single to be added. The sessions for "WYDTM" were in July & August.

I didn't mean he took a track cut for the group. But Carl said in an interview that when the group was looking at outside producers, Val brought WYDTM (written by ORLEANS member Jon and Johanna Hall) for the group to cut as a track. When Carl needed a hot tune for YOUNGBLOOD, he remembered WYDTM and took it for his use.

He mentioned it to Geoffrey Himes in his interview with Geoffrey in 1982. Val gave the tune to the group as an offering of the material he had access to. Part of his resume I am guessing.

Yep. It was CF&B, then CAN'T WAIT TIL SUMMER then finally KTSA. CF&B was tossed around as a title for a possible 1982 lp. The BBFU newsletter talked about it, but Bruce told Himes that the lp was on hold due to Brian being in bad shape. Around the same time in 1982, MTV did a story about the Beach Boys recording RUNAWAY live in Cleveland for release soon. After months if no word, I called Steve at CBS to ask about a release date. He told me that RUNAWAY was pulled because CBS didn't really want to release another oldie so soon after COME GO WITH ME. I have since heard that CBS also pulled the plug because the group didn't have an lp to go along with it.

Besides Val, the group talked to Barry Gibb and Lindsey Buckingham as well. Anyone of them could have done a decent job. I always wondered why they didn't go into their tape library and assemble an LP. They had more than enough tunes to choose from. I am guessing the crap going on around the group made that impossible.

I don't think "Reins" and "Walking On Water" are from this era...they do exist on a piano/vocal demo tape along with a piano/vocal rendition of "Sweetie", but my copy of that tape is prefaced by a spoken introduction that dates it to 1986. Yes, "Sweetie" was around as a song in '81, but I don't think the other two were, and I think Brian made that demo recording of all three in '86. I think '85 is the earliest mention of "Walking On Water".

IIRC Brian talks about Sweetie and Stevie in the Les Chan interview in december 81 about songs of the upcoming "new album".

<<Brian Wilson demo sessions: Reins/Walking On Water Spring 1981 according to AGD'S site.>>

Right - but to my point, I think people have assumed that the tape with all three of these songs dates from '81, simply because those two songs share tape with a rendition of "Sweetie", which as a song is known to come from '81 - but the actual piano/vocal demo recording of those three songs that circulates apparently comes from '86. 

There IS a studio recording of "Sweetie" from '81 - basic track with drum machine, and a rotating Al-Mike-Brian lead vocal. Haven't heard it myself, only heard of it. But I'm pretty sure those other two songs weren't written until after the "Brothers, Cousins, and Friends" era, or whatever it was to be called. And by "after", I mean likely the second Landy era. 

Unless, of course, I'm proven wrong.

Brian apparently was considering "Night Blooming Jasmine" for the group's next release, since he mentions it as a "new song" during that infamous hotel room rap in December '81. It likely would've been doctored up, or recut entirely. Another song he mentioned at that time is, of course, "City Blues" - and yet another title floating around from that era is "Dancin' U.S.A.". Also, we can add "Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love" (released on the M.I.C. box) to that list of titles running from "Be My Baby" to "I'm A Man". And finally, the 1980 versions of "Shortenin' Bread" and "My Solution" were cut at the same session under the general title "Song Within A Song".

Thanks, that explains a lot. It explains the long gap between the recording of the album and the release. It also explains why my gf got a cassette with the hit single listed on the j-card...but it wasn't actually on the tape, not listed on the shell of the cassette.