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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 1:06:17 GMT -5
After listening to the same Beach Boys' albums for decades, I sometimes find myself wanting to tweak them slightly or change them drastically. However, it's not always just to change things up for the sake of variety, but to actually improve the albums. As diehard fans, we know all too well that the guys left a lot of quality material in the vaults, material that is sometimes better than the actual released tracks. The purpose of this thread is to give fans the opportunity to be artist, producer, and record company all in one. Create your own Beach Boys' album!
One album that I always enjoy rearranging is Keepin' The Summer Alive. It was a bit of a disappointment when it came out in March 1980, and over the years I've contemplated ways in which it could be improved. This is what I came up with:
1. The album is too short - only 10 songs at 33:10 - so I had to add two (three actually) songs to the tracklist. 2. Dennis Wilson is very missed on the album, vocally and especially composition-wise, so I added a DW track, the great "Love Remember Me".
3. For an album titled Keepin' The Summer Alive, it isn't very "summery", so I added one previously unreleased song, "Goin' To The Beach", and worked out the licensing for "It's A Beautiful Day". Now the album has more summer and fun and girls and rock & roll!
4. Addition by subtraction...While I actually like "When Girls Get Together", it didn't fit on this particular album and had to go. 5. The sequencing on Keepin' The Summer Alive is terrible, so I re-sequenced it entirely. 6. I didn't particularly intend it this way, but Side 1 really rocks now, whereas Side 2 (other than "It's A Beautiful Day") is more introspective and melancholy.
The Beach Boys - Keepin' The Summer Alive (1980)
Side 1 01 Keepin' The Summer Alive 02 School Days 03 Some Of Your Love 04 Oh Darlin' 05 Goin' To The Beach 06 Sunshine
Side 2 07 It's A Beautiful Day 08 Santa Ana Winds 09 Love Remember Me 10 Livin' With A Heartache 11 Goin' On 12 Endless Harmony
- Produced By The Beach Boys - Length: 39:27
I find this version of Keepin' The Summer Alive to be stronger, longer, more fun, more summer, and just basically a better album. I think the addition of "Goin' To The Beach", "It's A Beautiful Day", and "Love Remember Me", along with deletion of "When Girls Get Together", are the keys to this alternate album. I wish the band would've implemented some of these changes with the original album. I think it would've been at least one grade better. But what do you think? Try it on your computer or phone. Listen to it in your car, maybe on your patio, or on your recliner. Any comments are appreciated.
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Post by monolithic on Dec 27, 2018 1:58:21 GMT -5
Yep, I like this more than the released album.
The one change I would make though is to put Oh Darlin later in the running order. Sandwiching it between two fast songs really kills the momentum (as it does on the official album). I also personally like Goin On as an album opener because it gets things off to a strong start.
I would guess that one reason we didn't see songs like Goin to the Beach (and did see When Girls Get Together) was the desire for there to be more Brian credits by any means possible.
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Post by John Manning on Dec 27, 2018 3:39:04 GMT -5
I have in mind a Smile part 2. Constantly going through my brain on a million and one incarnations. Not so much an alternate album then, more an additional one to slip between those released while affecting their own track lists, quite dramatically in some cases.
Starts with the premise that Smiley Smile was Smile part 1 – and any songs not included therein are therefore eligible for inclusion. Throw in any tracks you consider to be a continuation of the Smile vibe, and then the real issue is sequencing an order and rearranging some tunes to fit your hypothesis. It was more than feasible at any time up to 20/20’s release (as Prayer and Cabin’s appearance on 20/20 would have knocked the idea for six)
Off the top of my head the eligibile (my criteria, okay!) include:
Prayer
Cabinessence
Surf's Up
Old Folks at Home/Ol’ Man River
Ol’ Man River
Fire/Mrs O’Leary’s Cow
Can’t Wait Too Long/Been Way Too Long
You’re Welcome
Water Chant
Diamond Head (I’m on dodgier ground with that one)
Time to Get Alone (not sure about this… too jolly!)
Child is the Father of Man
Mama Says
All Day/Cool Cool Water
Heroes and Villains - various previously unused sections and Cantina/Great Shape/Barnyard tangents.
I’ll have missed a few in my haste to get back to Rocky’s book; feel free to chime in!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 10:09:02 GMT -5
Yep, I like this more than the released album. The one change I would make though is to put Oh Darlin later in the running order. Sandwiching it between two fast songs really kills the momentum (as it does on the official album). I also personally like Goin On as an album opener because it gets things off to a strong start. I would guess that one reason we didn't see songs like Goin to the Beach (and did see When Girls Get Together) was the desire for there to be more Brian credits by any means possible. Yes, I noticed on your alternate Keepin' The Summer Alive that you placed "Oh Darlin'" as the second last song, just before "Endless Harmony". I did try it there and especially liked the Bruce-led "God only knows" tag going into "Endless Harmony"; it does flow nicely.
I ended up putting "Oh Darlin'" on Side 1 for two reasons. First, I needed a ballad badly! I don't agree with you that it kills the momentum. I started the album with three rockers before I slowed it down with "Oh Darlin'". I think Side 1 really rocks the way I set it up, and "Oh Darlin'" provided just the right amount of calmness.
I also sequenced by lyrics. I view "Oh Darlin'" as more of a "finding new love" song. It is a little too graphic lyrically for it to be strictly a high school song (I placed it after "School Days" and "Some Of Your Love") although things had/have changed in that respect.  In that respect it would've fit better after Dennis and Carl's lost love songs as a "finding new love after losing love" song. I just think it fits better with the grouping of fast songs on Side 1.
Do you think the Beach Boys spent nearly as much time with the analyzing and sequencing. I don't. Unfortunately.
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Post by Mopp on Dec 27, 2018 14:09:54 GMT -5
I've got two at the moment. The first is an alternate 1969 album called Break Away. - Side 1:
- Do It Again
- I Can Hear Music
- Bluebirds Over The Mountain (Alt Mix from the box set)
- I Went To Sleep
- Time To Get Alone
- Cotton Fields (45 Version)
- Side 2:
- Break Away
- Sail Plane Song
- Walk On By
- All I Want To Do (Dennis Sings Lead)
- Be With Me
- A Time To Live In Dreams
And the second one is an alternate 1978 album, still called Adult/Child (Cover is a W.I.P.) - Side 1:
- Life Is For The Living
- Oh Broadway
- H.e.l.p Is On The Way
- Games Two Can Play
- I'm Trying To Say (Alt Mix I Found on Jiggy's Love You deluxe)
- Lines
- Side 2:
- Everybody Wants To Live
- It's Over Now
- My Diane
- Deep Purple
- Winds Of Change
- Still I Dream Of It
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 19:30:49 GMT -5
For years, Brian Wilson and Beach Boys' fans were hoping for an official completion and release of the legendary album, SMiLE. Unfortunately, it never came to be. It wasn't until the 1993 Good Vibrations: Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys boxed set that any purely original SMiLE recordings were released. Then with The SMiLE Sessions Boxed set in 2011, we got the rest.
However, with a little dedication and imagination, an ambitious fan could've assembled their own SMiLE album long before the 1993 boxed set. Yes, many of the SMiLE songs, albeit in different forms, were available for years. It wouldn't have exactly resembled Brian's original vision for SMiLE in late 1966/early 1967 - whatever that was! But it would've been a very creative, high diverse, extremely entertaining compilation. It would take a diehard fan, meaning one who had most of the albums from 1967-71, and it would've taken some creative sequencing. It might've looked something like this:
The Beach Boys - SMiLE - Total Time: 32:08
Side 1 01 Our Prayer (from 20/20) 02 Heroes And Villains (from Smiley Smile) 03 Good Vibrations (from Smiley Smile)
04 Cabin Essence (from 20/20)
05 Wonderful (from Smiley Smile) 06 Mama Says (from Wild Honey)
Side 2 07 Vegetables (from Smiley Smile) 08 Wind Chimes (from Smiley Smile) 09 Fall Breaks And Back To Winter (from Smiley Smile) 10 Cool, Cool Water (from Sunflower) 11 Surf's Up (from Surf's Up)
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The Beach Boys - SMiLE (Alternate Mix) - Total Time: 35:37
Side 1 01 You're Welcome (B-Side of Heroes And Villains) 02 Heroes And Villains (from Smiley Smile) 03 Good Vibrations (from Smiley Smile) 04 Cabin Essence (from 20/20) 05 Wonderful (from Smiley Smile) 06 Mama Says (from Wild Honey)
Side 2 07 Vegetables (from Smiley Smile) 08 Wind Chimes (from Smiley Smile) 09 Fall Breaks And Back To Winter (from Smiley Smile) 10 Cool, Cool Water (from Sunflower) 11 With Me Tonight (from Smiley Smile)
12 Our Prayer (from 20/20) 13 Surf's Up (from Surf's Up)
- You could substitute the shorter 45 version of "Cool, Cool Water" in place of the Sunflower version. It actually fits better in the mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 21:32:52 GMT -5
Id love to see Today! and Friends without their final tracks.
Wild Honey plus CCW and CWTL (even just the unfinished riffs) would be fantastic.
Surf's Up with all the Dennis tracks and SDT, Feet and Don't Go Near the Water as first on the chopping block would be great.
Beyond that, I have to give it some thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 22:14:47 GMT -5
Id love to see Today! and Friends without their final tracks. For Today! I take out "Bull Session With The Big Daddy", add "All Dressed Up For School", and get rid of the fast side/slow side concept. This is my alternate Today!
The Beach Boys Today! - Produced By Brian Wilson - Length: 29:02
Side 1 01 All Dressed Up For School 02 Do You Wanna Dance 03 Please Let Me Wonder 04 Good To My Baby
05 Dance, Dance, Dance 06 In The Back Of My Mind
Side 2 07 When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) 08 I'm So Young 09 Don't Hurt My Little Sister 10 Help Me, Ronda 11 Kiss Me Baby 12 She Knows Me Too Well
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 4:46:14 GMT -5
Id love to see Today! and Friends without their final tracks. I first thought it was SWD who'd presented a plausible argument for "Transcendental Meditation"'s inclusion as album closer on Friends but after a bit of poking around it turns out it was David Beard in a revealing interview with Ghosty (here at 21:26-24:17): To each their own (of course!) but my argument for having "Bull Session" at the end of Today! is that "ITBOMM" is completely unfollowable by anything else. But you can't just leave it dangling there either. Not that they were thinking any of this at the time, lol, but it justifies its inclusion for me.  As for the other talk tracks (short of devoting an entire topic to the trio), "Cassius W vs Sonny L" although rather silly gave fans the chance to hear their heroes engaging in informal banter. And where else would you have heard Al's voice in those days? And the "lost note" Brian retrieves from the piano at the close of "Recording Sessions" is the first pitched note you hear in "Don't Back Down". I rest my case. Oh, and I enjoyed reading everyone else's post in this topic.  |
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Post by kirkk on Jan 31, 2019 7:53:14 GMT -5
I altered Surf’s Up to include Dennis’s much-missed songs:
Side 1
Fourth of July
Long Promised Road
Disney Girls
Don’t Go Near the Water
Surf’s Up
Side 2
Feel Flows
Lookin’ at Tomorrow
A Day in the Life of Tree
’Til I Die
(Wouldn’t It Be Nice To) Live Again
While there are other songs in the vaults that I prefer to “Don’t Go Near the Water” and “Lookin’ at Tomorrow”, I do enjoy those two songs, they were probably both a lock for the album given the attempt at being more hip and “woke” that they were going for at the time, so the above at least feels like a release that could’ve happened as opposed to just a total fantasy release of songs from that period.
At some point I’m hoping to figure out a more Brian-centric 20/20, but I’d love to see what others have come up with since the copyright dump releases. I’m also fascinated with the post-Holland/pre-15 Big Ones period, where The Beach Boys could’ve made one more contemporary album in that early 70s vein (River Song, Hard Times, Good Timin’ etc.) but haven’t tried making an album from that era yet.
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Post by kirkk on Jan 31, 2019 7:57:29 GMT -5
To each their own (of course!) but my argument for having "Bull Session" at the end of Today! is that "ITBOMM" is completely unfollowable by anything else. But you can't just leave it dangling there either. Not that they were thinking any of this at the time, lol, but it justifies its inclusion for me. If there was a Beach Boy vocal for “Guess I’m Dumb”, I’ve always felt that just slotting it in as the closing track would make Today perfect. Even as-is with Glenn Campbell it works pretty darn well depending on how jarring you find having an “outside” vocalist appear just for the last track. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 8:05:38 GMT -5
To each their own (of course!) but my argument for having "Bull Session" at the end of Today! is that "ITBOMM" is completely unfollowable by anything else. But you can't just leave it dangling there either. Not that they were thinking any of this at the time, lol, but it justifies its inclusion for me. If there was a Beach Boy vocal for “Guess I’m Dumb”, I’ve always felt that just slotting it in as the closing track would make Today perfect. Even as-is with Glenn Campbell it works pretty darn well depending on how jarring you find having an “outside” vocalist appear just for the last track. Nice idea, kk, but I think you're bouncing it off the wrong person. I'm an absolute stickler for keeping things the way they are. |
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 31, 2019 8:14:25 GMT -5
mea culpa - double post - below |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 8:33:05 GMT -5
To each their own (of course!) but my argument for having "Bull Session" at the end of Today! is that "ITBOMM" is completely unfollowable by anything else. But you can't just leave it dangling there either. Not that they were thinking any of this at the time, lol, but it justifies its inclusion for me. If there was a Beach Boy vocal for “Guess I’m Dumb”, I’ve always felt that just slotting it in as the closing track would make Today perfect. Even as-is with Glenn Campbell it works pretty darn well depending on how jarring you find having an “outside” vocalist appear just for the last track. I seriously considered putting "Guess I'm Dumb" on my alternate Today!, but I wasn't sure if it was finished in time. Then I wasn't sure if it fit more on Summer Days (And Summer Nights) because of the brass.
Even though it probably never would have happened (like all of our alternate album attempts ), I think it sounds cool to put "Guess I'm Dumb" WITH a Glen Campbell lead vocal on a Beach Boys' album. I mean, it's not outrageous considering he was appearing live with them and there were only five on stage at the time. |
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Post by E on Jan 31, 2019 13:07:10 GMT -5
 Don't nag about the accuracy of the title and the selection of tracks. It was a bit of fun. |
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 31, 2019 13:13:57 GMT -5
For years, Brian Wilson and Beach Boys' fans were hoping for an official completion and release of the legendary album, SMiLE. Unfortunately, it never came to be. It wasn't until the 1993 Good Vibrations: Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys boxed set that any purely original SMiLE recordings were released. Then with The SMiLE Sessions Boxed set in 2011, we got the rest.
However, with a little dedication and imagination, an ambitious fan could've assembled their own SMiLE album long before the 1993 boxed set. Yes, many of the SMiLE songs, albeit in different forms, were available for years. It wouldn't have exactly resembled Brian's original vision for SMiLE in late 1966/early 1967 - whatever that was! But it would've been a very creative, high diverse, extremely entertaining compilation. It would take a diehard fan, meaning one who had most of the albums from 1967-71, and it would've taken some creative sequencing. It might've looked something like this:
The Beach Boys - SMiLE - Total Time: 32:08
Side 1 01 Our Prayer (from 20/20) 02 Heroes And Villains (from Smiley Smile) 03 Good Vibrations (from Smiley Smile)
04 Cabin Essence (from 20/20)
05 Wonderful (from Smiley Smile) 06 Mama Says (from Wild Honey)
Side 2 07 Vegetables (from Smiley Smile) 08 Wind Chimes (from Smiley Smile) 09 Fall Breaks And Back To Winter (from Smiley Smile) 10 Cool, Cool Water (from Sunflower) 11 Surf's Up (from Surf's Up)
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The Beach Boys - SMiLE (Alternate Mix) - Total Time: 35:37
Side 1 01 You're Welcome (B-Side of Heroes And Villains) 02 Heroes And Villains (from Smiley Smile) 03 Good Vibrations (from Smiley Smile) 04 Cabin Essence (from 20/20) 05 Wonderful (from Smiley Smile) 06 Mama Says (from Wild Honey)
Side 2 07 Vegetables (from Smiley Smile) 08 Wind Chimes (from Smiley Smile) 09 Fall Breaks And Back To Winter (from Smiley Smile) 10 Cool, Cool Water (from Sunflower) 11 With Me Tonight (from Smiley Smile)
12 Our Prayer (from 20/20) 13 Surf's Up (from Surf's Up)
- You could substitute the shorter 45 version of "Cool, Cool Water" in place of the Sunflower version. It actually fits better in the mix.
(quote) OMG - you NAILED it - Smile was hiding in plain sight all that time!
The only change I would make icon Side 2 of the Alternative - to put Our Prayer as the first track then Wind Chimes, CCW, WMT, Fall Breaks, Vege-tables, then Surf's Up or pull GV from Side One and close with that!
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Post by E on Jan 31, 2019 13:23:23 GMT -5
And while I'm at it...  The Lady Lynda is missing the intro and That Same Song is the one off the TV special. I may have redeveloped this one at some point... And I can't find the front for this at the moment (and, yeah, I'm aware of the accuracy issues...):   And one I didn't get around to:  A mix of various latter day stuff (Cal Feelin' is Al's, for instrance) |
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Post by kirkk on Jan 31, 2019 19:50:21 GMT -5
If there was a Beach Boy vocal for “Guess I’m Dumb”, I’ve always felt that just slotting it in as the closing track would make Today perfect. Even as-is with Glenn Campbell it works pretty darn well depending on how jarring you find having an “outside” vocalist appear just for the last track. I seriously considered putting "Guess I'm Dumb" on my alternate Today!, but I wasn't sure if it was finished in time. Then I wasn't sure if it fit more on Summer Days (And Summer Nights) because of the brass. Even though it probably never would have happened (like all of our alternate album attempts ), I think it sounds cool to put "Guess I'm Dumb" WITH a Glen Campbell lead vocal on a Beach Boys' album. I mean, it's not outrageous considering he was appearing live with them and there were only five on stage at the time. Since the track was cut during the Today! Sessions, I put it with that album. I too am totally fine with Glen Campbell getting a vocal, that’s why I put “outsider” with quotes  |
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Post by bittersweetsanity on Feb 1, 2019 4:29:11 GMT -5
edit: just came across a video and saw that Cincinnati Kid had the same idea .
not an alternate album but if the mid 90s Paley/Was sessions had resulted in an actual album, this is what i'd like for it to have been:
The Beach Boys - Somewhere Out in Malibu
1. Baywatch Nights (Dancing the Night Away)
2. Soul Searchin'
3. Unleash the Love (Mike mentioned in an interview in '95 that this was a song he had that Brian loved)
4. Don't Fight the Sea
5. You're Still a Mystery
6. Waves of Love
7. Elbow '63
8. Chain Reaction of Love
9. Run Don't Walk
10. Desert Drive
11. Mary Anne
12. Proud Mary
13. Gettin' in Over My Head
14. In My Moondreams 15. Must Be a Miracle
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Post by kds on Feb 1, 2019 13:18:06 GMT -5
So, I did something on the PSF about what a potential follow up to That's Why God Made the Radio would've sounded like, using tracks from NPP and UTL. I'll do my best to recreate it here:
The Beach Boys - This Beautiful Day (I resisted the urge to use the title "Unleash the Pressure")
1. This Beautiful Day
2. Sail Away
3. Crescent Moon
4. I'm Feeling Sad
5. The Right Time
6. 10,000 Years Ago
7. Whatever Happened
8. Saturday Night (Bruce lead)
9. Half Moon Bay
10. Ram Raj
11. One Kind of Love
12. Don't Worry
13. All the Love in Paris
14. Tell Me Why
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Post by E on Feb 1, 2019 15:14:34 GMT -5
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Post by AGD on Feb 2, 2019 3:41:34 GMT -5
I seriously considered putting "Guess I'm Dumb" on my alternate Today!, but I wasn't sure if it was finished in time. Then I wasn't sure if it fit more on Summer Days (And Summer Nights) because of the brass. Even though it probably never would have happened (like all of our alternate album attempts ), I think it sounds cool to put "Guess I'm Dumb" WITH a Glen Campbell lead vocal on a Beach Boys' album. I mean, it's not outrageous considering he was appearing live with them and there were only five on stage at the time. , I put it with that album. I too am totally fine with Glen Campbell getting a vocal, that’s why I put “outsider” with quotes Actually, Glen's vocal was added 19th April 1965, over a month after Today ! was released. The track itself was cut 14th October the previous year, before the bulk of the album sessions, so calling it a Today ! outtake is something of a stretch. Personally, I feel if it was intended for the album it would have been on there: it's a magnificent song.
Similarly, "It's A Beautiful Day" was recorded a good three months after BBLA was released so including it on said album would be... problematic to say the least.
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Post by kirkk on Feb 2, 2019 5:46:11 GMT -5
Since the track was cut during the Today! Sessions, I put it with that album. I too am totally fine with Glen Campbell getting a vocal, that’s why I put “outsider” with quotes Actually, Glen's vocal was added 19th April 1965, over a month after Today ! was released. The track itself was cut 14th October the previous year, before the bulk of the album sessions, so calling it a Today ! outtake is something of a stretch. Personally, I feel if it was intended for the album it would have been on there: it's a magnificent song.
Thanks for the corrections Andrew! I knew the vocal was cut later, but thought the track was done closer to the rest of Today's sessions. But I wasn't implying the song was ever actually meant for that album, just that for this fantasy exercise, it makes for a great closer and, in a nearby parallel universe, could have happened if a few things had gone differently. As a listening experience, historical accuracy aside, it sure turns Today! from a darn-near perfect album into a zero-filler masterpiece in my opinion! (Sorry lovers of Bull Session...) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 21:25:25 GMT -5
Considering The Beach Boys sometimes had six songwriters in the group, had home studios, and even owned their own studio, it's hard to believe they never released a double studio album. The Beach Boys didn't just consist of songwriters, a couple of them were prolific! Also, this was during a time when album sides, especially Beach Boys' album sides, were relatively short.
The three Beach Boys' albums that I think had the best chances of becoming double albums were Sunflower, Holland, and 15 Big Ones. The album that I want to focus on with this alternate album post is Holland. I think it had a chance to be a double album. It had a "head start" with the included "Mount Vernon and Fairway" 45, which by itself clocked in at around twelve minutes (heck, some Beach Boys' album sides only totaled around twelve minutes). There was another Holland song, "We Got Love" which the group thought strong enough to include on the following album, In Concert.
I am trying to assemble a Holland double album, one that would've had a legitimate to come to fruition. This is what I came up with so far:
The Beach Boys - Holland
Side 1 1. We Got Love (4:59)
2. Only With You (3:02) 4. Funky Pretty (4:15)
Side 2 1. Hard Times (3:36)
2. Leaving This Town (5:51)
3. Sail On Sailor (3:22)
4. Steamboat (4:38)
Side 3 1. The Trader (5:08) 2. California Saga - Big Sur (2:56) 3. California Saga - The Beaks Of Eagles (3:48) 4. California Saga - California (3:24)
Side 4
1. Mt. Vernon And Fairway Theme (1:34) 2. I'm The Pied Piper - Instrumental (2:20) 3. Better Get Back In Bed (1:39) 4. Magic Transistor Radio (1:43) 5. I'm The Pied Piper (2:09) 6. Radio King Dom (2:38) 7. Carry Me Home (3:29)
As you can see I also added two other tracks, "Hard Times" and "Carry Me Home", which were recorded somewhat around the Holland timeline. They both fit nicely. "Carry Me Home" especially gives me a much-needed Dennis Wilson lead vocal. But that leaves one open slot - Side 1, Track 3. I can't think of or locate any other songs that would've been recorded around the other Holland tracks which would be mid/late 1972. Can anybody think of any? I don't want to be picky but a fast song would fit better.
Also, another question - would "Carry Me Home" sound better as the opening song on Side 4 and then ending the album with the fairy tale, or does "Carry Me Home" sound better as the album closer? And suggestions or comments would be appreciated.
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In that respect it would've fit better after Dennis and Carl's lost love songs as a "finding new love after losing love" song. I just think it fits better with the grouping of fast songs on Side 1.
