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Post by petsite on Jan 2, 2020 2:08:48 GMT -5
Hey all,
I have been off this board for most of the year with intermittent posts here and there. With so many things happening personally (note:none are threatening to health or limb, just to my sanity) I found myself digging into my Beatles collection and leaving the boys on the side for most of the year. I must admit in all honesty though, because of heart related health issues earlier in the year, I am now going to the gym 3+ times a week and nothing keeps me going on the treadmill like the Knebworth concert. That home run at the end really gets me through.
I find that while I enjoy the Beatles (who couldn't?) I don't have the emotional connection that I do to the BB. And that is why I need to take a break from them now and again. Their music connects with me on such a deep level that when my energy is limited, I can't focus on their music.
The reason I an laying this all out is because I wonder if any one else goes thru these same issues with the group? I must also say that unlike the 70s-90s, when thoughts of new music and unreleased gems coming to light permeated our every thoughts, most of those items are now in the public arena. Those "hopes" fueled our fanship. And those dreams have come true. So now the promise of new treasures is limited.
Enough of my ramblings. Any one else get like this?
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Post by kirkk on Jan 2, 2020 2:23:21 GMT -5
Enough of my ramblings. Any one else get like this?
Absolutely. The Beach Boys are tied with The Beatles for my top two bands (I can’t choose between them, but always say that The Beatles more consistent while The Beach Boys had higher highs), but I’m into a lot of different music and frequently set aside those favorites for extended periods. I’m currently not really listening to The Beach Boys, due to having gone through an intense, OCD listen/read-a-thon after the release of last year’s CE set got me more actively interested again. But having devoured everything I had over many months, I’m on hiatus again (focusing primarily on country music thanks to the recent Ken Burns doc), though I’m sure the (hopefully) upcoming Sunflower/Surf’s Up set will pull me back in. Every time I go for a long time without listening to the Boys, coming back always reminds me why I love the music so much, so for that reason alone it’s worth taking a break now and again.
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Post by Al Smith on Jan 2, 2020 2:42:20 GMT -5
Shit, yeah, Bob!
Fell deeply in love with these guys around ‘81/2 - I worked my way through the catalogue in a highly non sequential manner (due to the lack of product in stores (new or second hand at the time). Loved everything (in that special accepting way), warts and all up too and including California Dreaming - but, man, Kokomo, Still Cruisin’ and all of that Bay Watch/Full House phase left me as cold as a stunned mullet.
At the time, as a young uni student I was getting into Indie, Punk, the works and those 10000 year old fossils from Beverly Hills held little appeal. I took a break until the GV box (holy shit, they just released Smile by stealth), the twofers and PS box.
I’ve raised 3 kids since ‘97 with the last of the gang hitting 18 in late Jan coming - there have been BB free years, time over run by the demands of hungry mouths, tired eyes and crammed washing lines.
I am a little jealous of people coming to the band now - a subscription to spotify, a few PMs here and there, a few bucks on ebay and you can be “up to speed” within a couple of days.
However, I will always cherish the satisfaction of a record store score or find - I must have flicked through a million record crates along the East Coast of Australia for about 20 years before finally striking upon a copy of POB.
Anyway - with the advent of the web, I was delighted to get my hands on writings, ramblings, reviews by people like Bob Florry, AGD, Cam Mott, Lee Dempsey, Steve Mayo, others who come and go as the fanbase morphs with each year added to the legacy - and discover there are fuckers out there sicker than me for the delights of this disfunctional garage band from Californ-i-a.
Thanks Bob, you fuckin’ rock!
PS, so do The Beatles!
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Post by AGD on Jan 2, 2020 2:53:14 GMT -5
Hell, yeah - there was a time back in 1980 when I walked away from it all for a whole year (due to the actions of other "fans" - truly, nothing is new) but, obviously, the pull was too strong and, well, here I am. Of course there have been other shitstorms down the years, the moreso since I went online in February 1998, but the friends and connections I've forged since then have helped me sail that particular unsettled ocean. Sometimes people do the most wonderful things, be it buying you something when the funds aren't merely low but non-existant or showing support in any one of several ways. There's far more good than bad people in the World of Wilson - it's just that the latter make the most noise. Much like real life, in fact.
But I digress - yes, I've been burned out but these days, well... The Beach Boys are part of what I do: maybe not as much as they used to be, as things wind inexorably down, but still a major chunk. Hell, I'm here, aren't I ? You just can't walk away from music THAT good.
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Post by petsite on Jan 2, 2020 3:02:15 GMT -5
AGD and all, thanks for the kind words. I knew it couldn't be just me. And to Andrew's point, there are some fans who are trying like crazy to turn their connections with other fans in a revenue stream. Won't name names, but some are really pushing for info and items from me and then selling it as their own.
But, with Brian's music, to quote the GODFATHER movies, everytime I think I am out, they pull me back in!!!!
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Post by John Manning on Jan 2, 2020 4:34:26 GMT -5
Have often burned out – comes of such things as spending holidays driving round Ireland listening to endless Unsurpassed Masters CDs, and over-indulging for too long in my case. I tend to be a one-artist-at-a-time type so when I tire of BBs I turn to Neil Young, Kate Bush, John Martyn, the Beatles and play the, until I get in a similar state.
But the BBs are the defaut, the benchmark, and I always return, for another long indulgence. Rightly so…
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Post by ian on Jan 2, 2020 7:02:38 GMT -5
Yeah for sure. As has been said, you listen too much to something and then you need a break. I played the made in California box so much that finally I woke up one day and needed to hear something else. I am pretty eclectic and like a lot of stuff. I have most kinks (up to about 1971), Stones (tattoo you is the most recent album I ever listen to by them), Beatles (listener to them so much when I was young that I have to be in a certain mood to play them), etc but I also like punk, new wave, country (only old country like George Jones), Motown (especially Marvin Gaye) and even a little rap (it’s fun at parties) but the BBs definitely carries a special place emotionally-I can’t explain why but just the little snippet of walk on by with Brian and Dennis knocks me out more then almost anything else I’ve mentioned-I find it emotionally overpowering. Only thing similar for me is some Elvis stuff. That being said-there Are plenty of BBs songs that I can’t abide-Mike singing his truth is marching on from 1975 is one of the most god awful things recorded by a professional group-but I don’t hold it against them as it was not released-so they knew it too
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Post by AGD on Jan 2, 2020 7:13:53 GMT -5
"Mike singing his truth is marching on from 1975 is one of the most god awful things recorded by a professional group-but I don’t hold it against them as it was not released-so they knew it too" It was pretty bad in 1974 too...
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Post by Cam Mott on Jan 2, 2020 8:37:47 GMT -5
I feel the same way about I Was Made To Love Her. Love Carl, love the song, the group, the album but cringe at Carl's rendition of this song. Go figure...
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 2, 2020 9:09:14 GMT -5
Not yet
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 2, 2020 9:11:52 GMT -5
AGD and all, thanks for the kind words. I knew it couldn't be just me. And to Andrew's point, there are some fans who are trying like crazy to turn their connections with other fans in a revenue stream. Won't name names, but some are really pushing for info and items from me and then selling it as their own. But, with Brian's music, to quote the GODFATHER movies, everytime I think I am out, they pull me back in!!!! This annoys me. As well as monetizing their (BB) work into YouTube stuff.
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Post by petsite on Jan 2, 2020 9:55:53 GMT -5
I was close friends with Bob Hanes. He and I would talk for HOURS about unreleased tracks etc. That connection kept me focused, had me helping out on releases etc. When Bob passed, part of my connection with the music was gone. But the bond to this music is stronger than any one person.
I will tell you one thing that kept us going back in the day (and now annoys the s**t out of me LOL) were the dangling promises of things to come. I so remember reading Bruce's interview about the TYOH set coming out in 1981 and the statement he made about SMiLE tracks being on the set. I mean holy crap. I just couldn't wait. And that summer, just before that awful concert at the Queen Mary, Mike let is slip that he and Brian were writing new material for a new LP that would include a new BW tune called SWEETIE. Of course, most of promises came to zip. TYOH was delivered, but only after numerous changes and no SMiLE material. However, it is because that material was looked at that we got the SMiLE tracks that leaked out at that time. So.......
And then there was THIS. Only 16 years before it actually was released. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 2, 2020 10:06:37 GMT -5
I was close friends with Bob Hanes. He and I would talk for HOURS about unreleased tracks etc. That connection kept me focused, had me helping out on releases etc. When Bob passed, part of my connection with the music was gone. But the bond to this music is stronger than any one person.
I will tell you one thing that kept us going back in the day (and now annoys the s**t out of me LOL) were the dangling promises of things to come. I so remember reading Bruce's interview about the TYOH set coming out in 1981 and the statement he made about SMiLE tracks being on the set. I mean holy crap. I just couldn't wait. And that summer, just before that awful concert at the Queen Mary, Mike let is slip that he and Brian were writing new material for a new LP that would include a new BW tune called SWEETIE. Of course, most of promises came to zip. TYOH was delivered, but only after numerous changes and no SMiLE material. However, it is because that material was looked at that we got the SMiLE tracks that leaked out at that time. So.......
They may have had a reasonable belief that this stuff would come out and why they made those statements, even studio sessions for overdubs as is often the case in film. So there may have been something in the pipeline that just did not materialize. It happened, even with Smile in the early 70's that Mike would say that it was coming out. I doubt it was malicious and perhaps the record company would float it out there to use as a teaser for the audience to gauge interest or to see if fans had forgotten the work. He was so nonchalant about it that they were credible comments, and very matter-of-fact. The one thing I have not ever done as a fan, is to "hold my breath" until something promised, came out. I was just living my life. And never listened to those who said they never would be on the stage together and we had C50. It's all good. Sometimes something non- artistic pushes the envelope to release stuff - such as a copyright expiration. What a motivator!
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Post by Paul JB on Jan 2, 2020 10:24:24 GMT -5
No.
I've been a fan since '74 when Endless Summer hit and I was a kid and I have never stopped listening to and loving the Beach Boys. I go through phases year to year when maybe I don't listen to them as much or mostly listen to early stuff versus later stuff.... but I would not say I've ever suffered from burn out. I have always gone weeks or months without playing a Beach Boys record or CD and years pass when I don't play certain records (I'm tired of Smile these last few years) but it's never due to a general Beach Boys burn out. Too many great songs and great eras to prevent total fatigue for me. I did burn out on the live shows in the 90's and stopped going regularly and I'm burned out on Brian's solo shows but that's another story.
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Post by John Manning on Jan 2, 2020 10:48:31 GMT -5
I was close friends with Bob Hanes. He and I would talk for HOURS about unreleased tracks etc. That connection kept me focused, had me helping out on releases etc. When Bob passed, part of my connection with the music was gone. But the bond to this music is stronger than any one person.
I will tell you one thing that kept us going back in the day (and now annoys the s**t out of me LOL) were the dangling promises of things to come. I so remember reading Bruce's interview about the TYOH set coming out in 1981 and the statement he made about SMiLE tracks being on the set. I mean holy crap. I just couldn't wait. And that summer, just before that awful concert at the Queen Mary, Mike let is slip that he and Brian were writing new material for a new LP that would include a new BW tune called SWEETIE. Of course, most of promises came to zip. TYOH was delivered, but only after numerous changes and no SMiLE material. However, it is because that material was looked at that we got the SMiLE tracks that leaked out at that time. So.......
They may have had a reasonable belief that this stuff would come out and why they made those statements, even studio sessions for overdubs as is often the case in film. So there may have been something in the pipeline that just did not materialize. It happened, even with Smile in the early 70's that Mike would say that it was coming out. I doubt it was malicious and perhaps the record company would float it out there to use as a teaser for the audience to gauge interest or to see if fans had forgotten the work. He was so nonchalant about it that they were credible comments, and very matter-of-fact. The one thing I have not ever done as a fan, is to "hold my breath" until something promised, came out. I was just living my life. And never listened to those who said they never would be on the stage together and we had C50. It's all good. Sometimes something non- artistic pushes the envelope to release stuff - such as a copyright expiration. What a motivator! I recall Bruce being quoted by a UK music paper back in the very early 1980s as saying that the Smile tapes might soon be released, to benefit UNICEF. Even verbally ordered a copy at Woods, one of the many music & record shops in Halifax. Hope they aren't still holing a copy for me…
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Post by dauber on Jan 2, 2020 11:31:32 GMT -5
I went through a burnout in the early '90s. I was getting tired of the Beach Boys, and I still hadn't bought all the "twofer" CDs. I took a Beach Boys hiatus, until I heard Steve Dahl and Garry Meier play bits from the then-new Good Vibrations box set on WLUP. I heard "God Only Knows" with the a capella ending and decided that I needed the box JUST FOR THAT. Then I heard stuff from Sunflower through Holland (I was only familiar with "Surf's Up," "Sail On, Sailor" and "California" before) and decided I NEEDED those CDs of the '70s albums I saw in the store but passed on, thinking, "I'll get these after I finish the Capitol collection." Came to the rough realization that those post-1969 albums were only in print on CD for like an hour.
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Post by Mikie on Jan 2, 2020 14:18:23 GMT -5
First off, good to see you, Bob!
I'm pretty much in the same boat as Paul. I go through phases and have gone for months,maybe years, without playing Beach Boys music. I've been a fan since 1970, and throughout the 70's I collected all of the original Beach Boys and Beatles albums and 45's with picture sleeves. That wasn't enough, so I had to pick up every bootleg on cassette tape and vinyl that became available (thanks Peter!). Goldmine and Discoveries auctions and record swap meets was my 'hobby' at the time. Then I got married in the 80's and had two kids, so the collecting and fandom had to take a back seat for awhile with work, school, house and car payments, and a wife who didn't quite understand my addiction. I still stayed on top of every new release that came out, though. Then the divorce in the early 90's and all those beautiful Capitol two-fers, box sets, then new Beach Boys message boards popping up on the internet took up a lot of my free time. I was a real Smile-o-phile back then and picked up every new fragment of music that I could find. I'm pretty much burnt out on Smile now. Luckily for us fans, the new releases didn't stop through the 2,000's and it's still going on into 20/20! Can ya believe it? I would definitely not call it "scraping the barrel' as Bruce stated a few years ago. The Beach Boys message boards have always been the best marketing machine Capitol and BRI has ever had.
So the only real hiatus I had was in the 80's but with all the great concerts and ongoing CD's, DVD's, and box sets and copyright releases coming, it's hard to stay away for long. Plus, this message board with all the good knowledgeable fans keeps this boy going.
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Post by AGD on Jan 2, 2020 16:35:41 GMT -5
AGD and all, thanks for the kind words. I knew it couldn't be just me. And to Andrew's point, there are some fans who are trying like crazy to turn their connections with other fans in a revenue stream. Won't name names, but some are really pushing for info and items from me and then selling it as their own. But, with Brian's music, to quote the GODFATHER movies, everytime I think I am out, they pull me back in!!!! Before someone else somewhere else says it, yes, I've made money from (essentially) being a Beach Boys fan, but only when someone asked me: the ComGuides, the liner notes to the KTSA/BB 2fer, the research I did for the Don Was documentary and The Pet Sounds Sessions. Not so much a stream over 20-odd years, more a trickle, but it was nice to be asked. For me the connections made with other fans and the bands is far more important and satisfying.
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Post by jay on Jan 2, 2020 17:50:52 GMT -5
My "burnout" isn't ever about the music or group, but the excess bullshit that often comes with it. You don't know how often I long for the days where the only thing I knew about The Beach Boys was that I liked their music.
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Post by steamb551 on Jan 2, 2020 17:54:11 GMT -5
I went through a period between 2014-2016 of being completely obsessed with The Beach Boys, I had to find out all that I could about the guys and it was a very enjoyable time. Ive found myself losing a little interest these days because ive heard every single song they have done and know alkost everything there is to know, but when these cooyright extensions are released, my interest peaks again. So I am quite often on and off, I can go through a period of not listening to The beach Boys for a while and then when i go back it quite often blows my mind on how good their music really is.
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Post by jay on Jan 2, 2020 18:03:39 GMT -5
The cool thing about the copyright extension releases is that they often completely blow away the long accepted narrative of the group, such as "Brian stayed in bed for five years after Smile failed", or "The group was creatively and artistically bankrupt without Brian". So we often find ourselves revisiting what we thought we knew. It feels like we are investigating an entirely new band.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 18:43:31 GMT -5
Yes...i was listening to heroes and villains approx 12 times a day for a period in college so that was not going to last forever....
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Post by Mikie on Jan 2, 2020 19:03:01 GMT -5
Yes...i was listening to heroes and villains approx 12 times a day for a period in college so that was not going to last forever.... Wow. You rivaled Brian Wilson, who use to listen to "Be My Baby" on his jukebox ten times a day!
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Post by Jason (The Real Beach Boy) on Jan 2, 2020 19:14:49 GMT -5
I burn out every so often but my interest always piques with a new release or maybe some juicy gossip or, well, I just put it on at random and get bit by the bug again. My tastes run all over the place, so I always have something I go back to. The Beach Boys and the Moody Blues are my top two and always will be, and I'll never tire of them.
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Post by petsite on Jan 2, 2020 19:23:03 GMT -5
I would like to go on the record that AGD is NOT whom I was speaking about. You don't do something like the Belligio site if you are in it for the cash. AGD is like Bob Hanes, Peter Reum and others who I am still in awe of to this day. These guys are the ones that make this fun. It's others who look for $$$ that make it hard to find the joy.
I will say that the whole Brian vs Mike drama bummed me out from time to time. A souless human being doesn't write lyrics like THE WARMTH OF THE SUN and GOOD VIBRATIONS. His work was sidelined for years. We would all tout how Brian wrote TODAY and SUMMER DAYS solo. We know now it's not true.
Here is a true conversation I had with Bob Hanes about Mike Love writing the lyrics to FUN FUN FUN:
BH: What kind of lyric writer ends each line with the word NOW. That is lame. BF: TIME FOR SUPPER NOW.....FEEL LIKE EATING NOW. BH: Shut up. BF: You shut up. LAUGHTER AND SCENE.
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