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Post by Micha on Jun 19, 2023 13:57:40 GMT -5
We've been deluged with an epidemic of "cancel culture." True. This crazy school library book banning must stop instantly!
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Post by AGD on Jun 20, 2023 2:26:52 GMT -5
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 21, 2023 11:12:56 GMT -5
Three new dates: July 8 - Grade Expo Hall, Silver Legacy Hotel Casino, Reno NV
August 2 - Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom, Hampton Beach NH
September 16 - American Music Theatre, Lancaster PA (One of the three US venues I've seen the BB: the other two were Valley Forge and The Electric Factory in Philly (a private gig for Ed Rendell)). Hampton Beach reports that it is sold out!
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Post by thefringe on Jun 22, 2023 18:15:07 GMT -5
Meanwhile, back at the ranch....... John Bolton ROCKS the joint. Lookit him play Fun, Fun, Fun, especially at the end. Daaaaaaaaamn!! I discovered Jon and had the privilege of co-founding his first band some 25 years ago so I may be a bit biased but I believe Jon is a great addition to this line-up. I realize the other drummer had been a member for 20 years but Jon brings incredible energy and showmanship while really kicking the band ! Hopefully they continue to integrate his voice more and more on both leads and harmonies as this line-up can use the extra vocal power that he offers. While not as close to Carl's voice as Darian from Brian Wilson's band, he nonetheless holds his own vocally with anyone. When we integrated him into an extremely eclectic cover band all those years ago we were all shocked to see a 21 year old kid who played drums like Keith Moon yet sang like Paul Macartney (!) He is now a seasoned stage performer and an asset to this line-up.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jun 22, 2023 20:47:10 GMT -5
Meanwhile, back at the ranch....... John Bolton ROCKS the joint. Lookit him play Fun, Fun, Fun, especially at the end. Daaaaaaaaamn!! I discovered Jon and had the privilege of co-founding his first band some 25 years ago so I may be a bit biased but I believe Jon is a great addition to this line-up. I realize the other drummer had been a member for 20 years but Jon brings incredible energy and showmanship while really kicking the band ! Hopefully they continue to integrate his voice more and more on both leads and harmonies as this line-up can use the extra vocal power that he offers. While not as close to Carl's voice as Darian from Brian Wilson's band, he nonetheless holds his own vocally with anyone. When we integrated him into an extremely eclectic cover band all those years ago we were all shocked to see a 21 year old kid who played drums like Keith Moon yet sang like Paul Macartney (!) He is now a seasoned stage performer and an asset to this line-up. I've never seen Darian's singing compared to Carl's, ever.
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 22, 2023 21:02:31 GMT -5
I REALLY doubt that Mike went on a “bigoted rant”. Let’s try keep away from the hyperbole & straw men. This is the Endless Harmony board, right? I'm going from the description from nater, who was actually there, and who said it was "a two minute stutter filled rant about gender politics and a certain beer conglomerate." Unless nater is lying, then he did do that. And thus we move on.
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 22, 2023 22:53:33 GMT -5
I've never seen Darian's singing compared to Carl's, ever. I think Darian does a very good job of following Carl's phrasing on "Darlin'."
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 23, 2023 20:14:54 GMT -5
A new M&B date: Sept. 23 -- Isleta Resort & Casino Showroom -- Albuquerque, NM
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Post by nater on Jul 1, 2023 16:48:43 GMT -5
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Post by nater on Jul 1, 2023 17:06:40 GMT -5
Update on my last post: it is Noven, John Stamos have him a shoutout on Instagram.
No one edits better BeachBoys videos than he does in my opinion
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Post by Emdeeh on Jul 2, 2023 19:52:39 GMT -5
Two new fall dates for Mike and Bruce:
Oct. 14 -- Sunset Station, Sunset Amphitheater -- Las Vegas, NV Nov. 3 -- WinStar World Casino and Resort, Global Event Center -- Thackerville, OK
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Post by AGD on Jul 11, 2023 2:55:27 GMT -5
New October date:
6 - Beau Rivage Resort & Casino, Biloxi MS
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Post by positivemusic on Jul 11, 2023 14:40:40 GMT -5
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 11, 2023 15:20:41 GMT -5
It is called Free Speech under the First Amendment. It used to be left-of-center in the 60s-70s but no one dared raise one's speech rights until cancel culture arrived. And is he lying? They are current events and trends no different from when he used to do this rap dance (if you had teens in real-time it may have driven parents crazy especially many of the lyrics) thing with Bruce - it got a laugh. It is comic relief because people have it thrown in their faces day and night. And there have been parent/teachers public hearings (where you are in the public square) where complaining parents have been arrested by the FBI and Mike takes that seriously. It is a huge topic in the US right now. It is kind of out of control. Comedians are walking on eggshells as to what they can say doing stand-up comedy - and being terrorized they would be cancelled if they said what was construed to be the "wrong thing." The band has played plenty of Democrat-sponsored events, so it is less partisan than it looks. Business is still business. Surfer Girl came out before there was 1st generation of the feminist movement in the states. It is a hot topic where there might not be etched-in-stone answers. But Mike has a right to weigh in if he feels like it. No one is forced to buy a ticket. He is in his 80s. He can say what he wants as far as I am concerned, and as the 1st Amendment is concerned.
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Post by Emdeeh on Jul 11, 2023 17:33:11 GMT -5
Instead of clicking the link above directly, please copy the link, and remove everything from the ? (question mark) on, first. That code "fbclid" means that Facebook is tracking you, even if you don't have an account with them. It's bad enough that boards-dot-net tracks our link clicks as well, when you click through.
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 11, 2023 18:59:03 GMT -5
Instead of clicking the link above directly, please copy the link, and remove everything from the ? (question mark) on, first. That code "fbclid" means that Facebook is tracking you, even if you don't have an account with them. It's bad enough that boards-dot-net tracks our link clicks as well, when you click through. Thank you! I didn't even notice that - and not a member. 👍
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Post by Emdeeh on Jul 11, 2023 20:09:08 GMT -5
Another new date for Mike and Bruce:
Oct. 13 -- Dignity Health Amphitheatre -- Bakersfield, CA
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Post by positivemusic on Jul 12, 2023 13:15:50 GMT -5
It is called Free Speech under the First Amendment. It used to be left-of-center in the 60s-70s but no one dared raise one's speech rights until cancel culture arrived. And is he lying? They are current events and trends no different from when he used to do this rap dance (if you had teens in real-time it may have driven parents crazy especially many of the lyrics) thing with Bruce - it got a laugh. It is comic relief because people have it thrown in their faces day and night. And there have been parent/teachers public hearings (where you are in the public square) where complaining parents have been arrested by the FBI and Mike takes that seriously. It is a huge topic in the US right now. It is kind of out of control. Comedians are walking on eggshells as to what they can say doing stand-up comedy - and being terrorized they would be cancelled if they said what was construed to be the "wrong thing." The band has played plenty of Democrat-sponsored events, so it is less partisan than it looks. Business is still business. Surfer Girl came out before there was 1st generation of the feminist movement in the states. It is a hot topic where there might not be etched-in-stone answers. But Mike has a right to weigh in if he feels like it. No one is forced to buy a ticket. He is in his 80s. He can say what he wants as far as I am concerned, and as the 1st Amendment is concerned. I just posted the article to back up nater's previous post, but...
It absolutely is free speech, and as a libertarian, I defend his right to do so, but that doesn't mean it makes any sense. I haven't seen them live since C50, and have no interest, other than maybe an Al show, as his tend to be the most interesting, so misunderstanding on being forced to buy tickets or not.
Agreeable to what he's saying or not, this just seems like a total killjoy. Most people go to Beach Boys, Brian Wilson, etc. concerts to forget life for awhile and have a good time. Personally, if I want to hear political commentary, I'll go to see Anti-Flag, Bad Religion, War On Women, or any number of other bands that lean into that as part of their act. Mike had to use some pretty clever mental gymnastics to work this stuff into the show. Absolutely no one has any interest in cancelling The Beach Boys over "Surfer Girl" or literally any other song in their entire discography, other than maybe "Hey Little Tomboy," Mike trying to tie the band into this culture war is as cringe as the new anti-war lyrics of "Make A Wish" on Gettin' In Over My Head.
Comedians are a different story. Most exist to push the envelope to a certain extent. By and large, The Beach Boys have never been particularly edgy, and Mike attempting to push them in that direction (especially with shoehorned, non-humorous whatsoever "jokes") with this topic, at this time, is very disingenuous to both their legacy and their longtime fans.
As an aside, the assertion that teachers and parents are being arrested by the FBI for stating their opinions at school board meetings and the like is absolute, and unfounded nonsense, to put it politely.
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 12, 2023 13:46:45 GMT -5
It is called Free Speech under the First Amendment. It used to be left-of-center in the 60s-70s but no one dared raise one's speech rights until cancel culture arrived. And is he lying? They are current events and trends no different from when he used to do this rap dance (if you had teens in real-time it may have driven parents crazy especially many of the lyrics) thing with Bruce - it got a laugh. It is comic relief because people have it thrown in their faces day and night. And there have been parent/teachers public hearings (where you are in the public square) where complaining parents have been arrested by the FBI and Mike takes that seriously. It is a huge topic in the US right now. It is kind of out of control. Comedians are walking on eggshells as to what they can say doing stand-up comedy - and being terrorized they would be cancelled if they said what was construed to be the "wrong thing." The band has played plenty of Democrat-sponsored events, so it is less partisan than it looks. Business is still business. Surfer Girl came out before there was 1st generation of the feminist movement in the states. It is a hot topic where there might not be etched-in-stone answers. But Mike has a right to weigh in if he feels like it. No one is forced to buy a ticket. He is in his 80s. He can say what he wants as far as I am concerned, and as the 1st Amendment is concerned. I just posted the article to back up nater's previous post, but...
It absolutely is free speech, and as a libertarian, I defend his right to do so, but that doesn't mean it makes any sense. I haven't seen them live since C50, and have no interest, other than maybe an Al show, as his tend to be the most interesting, so misunderstanding on being forced to buy tickets or not.
Agreeable to what he's saying or not, this just seems like a total killjoy. Most people go to Beach Boys, Brian Wilson, etc. concerts to forget life for awhile and have a good time. Personally, if I want to hear political commentary, I'll go to see Anti-Flag, Bad Religion, War On Women, or any number of other bands that lean into that as part of their act. Mike had to use some pretty clever mental gymnastics to work this stuff into the show. Absolutely no one has any interest in cancelling The Beach Boys over "Surfer Girl" or literally any other song in their entire discography, other than maybe "Hey Little Tomboy," Mike trying to tie the band into this culture war is as cringe as the new anti-war lyrics of "Make A Wish" on Gettin' In Over My Head.
Comedians are a different story. Most exist to push the envelope to a certain extent. By and large, The Beach Boys have never been particularly edgy, and Mike attempting to push them in that direction (especially with shoehorned, non-humorous whatsoever "jokes") with this topic, at this time, is very disingenuous to both their legacy and their longtime fans.
As an aside, the assertion that teachers and parents are being arrested by the FBI for stating their opinions at school board meetings and the like is absolute, and unfounded nonsense, to put it politely.
So - this capture from this single article is pretty biased in my view. There are other articles that are more balanced with embedded twitter (I'm not on that platform but I could see the discourse.) There is a better context. It was well-received. Bands have had plenty to say about social issues and opine without fear. I've seen Steve Stills and other musicians with plenty to say and while everyone might not agree, no one questions his complete right to do so. Having spent decades in public schools and volunteering on school parent councils, and school boards, I can express shock (and as a JD) and outrage at what has been going on in schools around the country. I can share that, as a decades long union member (still am) I am offended and outraged that parents can't speak freely and that now teachers unions think they can substitute themselves for parents because it is unheard of. Those parents should feel safe in the public square speaking at a microphone without worrying they might risk arrest. It is a chilling effect on speech that is constitutionally guaranteed. First, it is unconstitutional because it is a fundamental right to raise your kids without interference. Second, the union's job is wages, hours and working conditions. Third, the state sets the curriculum not the union. It ain't their job to tell parents what to do. The market responds by home schooling. Just like a boycott on a product. Mike has been opining on any number of things ad-libbing from their early days, before they had no guitar techs (uncomfortable seat or cheap seats or whatever) when the band had to repair their guitar strings right on stage and Mike had to fill the time and carry the show. I've seen it. There is a culture war right now whether we like it or not, and many citizens are sick of being told what and how to think, or express themselves as though we are in a totalitarian state. I appreciate that he is aware and not a coward opining, instead of playing it safe and politically correct. That was fully appreciated during the Vietnam War era when the band did pretty liberal activities such as voter registration drives at concerts. Many of the fans include those thousands who were war protesters or who attended Woodstock. Activism is not new for them. Dealing with it head-on opens the door to dialogue and discussion.
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Post by positivemusic on Jul 13, 2023 12:27:46 GMT -5
I just posted the article to back up nater's previous post, but...
It absolutely is free speech, and as a libertarian, I defend his right to do so, but that doesn't mean it makes any sense. I haven't seen them live since C50, and have no interest, other than maybe an Al show, as his tend to be the most interesting, so misunderstanding on being forced to buy tickets or not.
Agreeable to what he's saying or not, this just seems like a total killjoy. Most people go to Beach Boys, Brian Wilson, etc. concerts to forget life for awhile and have a good time. Personally, if I want to hear political commentary, I'll go to see Anti-Flag, Bad Religion, War On Women, or any number of other bands that lean into that as part of their act. Mike had to use some pretty clever mental gymnastics to work this stuff into the show. Absolutely no one has any interest in cancelling The Beach Boys over "Surfer Girl" or literally any other song in their entire discography, other than maybe "Hey Little Tomboy," Mike trying to tie the band into this culture war is as cringe as the new anti-war lyrics of "Make A Wish" on Gettin' In Over My Head.
Comedians are a different story. Most exist to push the envelope to a certain extent. By and large, The Beach Boys have never been particularly edgy, and Mike attempting to push them in that direction (especially with shoehorned, non-humorous whatsoever "jokes") with this topic, at this time, is very disingenuous to both their legacy and their longtime fans.
As an aside, the assertion that teachers and parents are being arrested by the FBI for stating their opinions at school board meetings and the like is absolute, and unfounded nonsense, to put it politely.
So - this capture from this single article is pretty biased in my view. There are other articles that are more balanced with embedded twitter (I'm not on that platform but I could see the discourse.) There is a better context. It was well-received. Bands have had plenty to say about social issues and opine without fear. I've seen Steve Stills and other musicians with plenty to say and while everyone might not agree, no one questions his complete right to do so. Having spent decades in public schools and volunteering on school parent councils, and school boards, I can express shock (and as a JD) and outrage at what has been going on in schools around the country. I can share that, as a decades long union member (still am) I am offended and outraged that parents can't speak freely and that now teachers unions think they can substitute themselves for parents because it is unheard of. Those parents should feel safe in the public square speaking at a microphone without worrying they might risk arrest. It is a chilling effect on speech that is constitutionally guaranteed. First, it is unconstitutional because it is a fundamental right to raise your kids without interference. Second, the union's job is wages, hours and working conditions. Third, the state sets the curriculum not the union. It ain't their job to tell parents what to do. The market responds by home schooling. Just like a boycott on a product. Mike has been opining on any number of things ad-libbing from their early days, before they had no guitar techs (uncomfortable seat or cheap seats or whatever) when the band had to repair their guitar strings right on stage and Mike had to fill the time and carry the show. I've seen it. There is a culture war right now whether we like it or not, and many citizens are sick of being told what and how to think, or express themselves as though we are in a totalitarian state. I appreciate that he is aware and not a coward opining, instead of playing it safe and politically correct. That was fully appreciated during the Vietnam War era when the band did pretty liberal activities such as voter registration drives at concerts. Many of the fans include those thousands who were war protesters or who attended Woodstock. Activism is not new for them. Dealing with it head-on opens the door to dialogue and discussion. O.K. dude, you seem fixated on pushing a political agenda here. I couldn't disagree more with what you (and seemingly Mike) are peddling. And, for the record, voter registration drives are not inherently liberal, both of the old, tired parties do so, as well as third parties.
That being said, I don't post in a Beach Boys' board to debate politics any more than I would attend their, or any other non-activist bands' concerts to hear political diatribes, whether I would be of that persuasion or not.
This nonsense derails the thread, entirely. No one is arguing that Mike has the constitutional right to say whatever he wishes. The question was whether at a concert, before an innocent song, was the appropriate venue to do so. And, joke or not, it is just as insane of Mike to suggest that the FBI might arrest them for performing "Surfer Girl" as it is for you to suggest that it is a "serious" concern of his.
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 13, 2023 13:19:13 GMT -5
So - this capture from this single article is pretty biased in my view. There are other articles that are more balanced with embedded twitter (I'm not on that platform but I could see the discourse.) There is a better context. It was well-received. Bands have had plenty to say about social issues and opine without fear. I've seen Steve Stills and other musicians with plenty to say and while everyone might not agree, no one questions his complete right to do so. Having spent decades in public schools and volunteering on school parent councils, and school boards, I can express shock (and as a JD) and outrage at what has been going on in schools around the country. I can share that, as a decades long union member (still am) I am offended and outraged that parents can't speak freely and that now teachers unions think they can substitute themselves for parents because it is unheard of. Those parents should feel safe in the public square speaking at a microphone without worrying they might risk arrest. It is a chilling effect on speech that is constitutionally guaranteed. First, it is unconstitutional because it is a fundamental right to raise your kids without interference. Second, the union's job is wages, hours and working conditions. Third, the state sets the curriculum not the union. It ain't their job to tell parents what to do. The market responds by home schooling. Just like a boycott on a product. Mike has been opining on any number of things ad-libbing from their early days, before they had no guitar techs (uncomfortable seat or cheap seats or whatever) when the band had to repair their guitar strings right on stage and Mike had to fill the time and carry the show. I've seen it. There is a culture war right now whether we like it or not, and many citizens are sick of being told what and how to think, or express themselves as though we are in a totalitarian state. I appreciate that he is aware and not a coward opining, instead of playing it safe and politically correct. That was fully appreciated during the Vietnam War era when the band did pretty liberal activities such as voter registration drives at concerts. Many of the fans include those thousands who were war protesters or who attended Woodstock. Activism is not new for them. Dealing with it head-on opens the door to dialogue and discussion. O.K. dude, you seem fixated on pushing a political agenda here. I couldn't disagree more with what you (and seemingly Mike) are peddling. And, for the record, voter registration drives are not inherently liberal, both of the old, tired parties do so, as well as third parties.
That being said, I don't post in a Beach Boys' board to debate politics any more than I would attend their, or any other non-activist bands' concerts to hear political diatribes, whether I would be of that persuasion or not.
This nonsense derails the thread, entirely. No one is arguing that Mike has the constitutional right to say whatever he wishes. The question was whether at a concert, before an innocent song, was the appropriate venue to do so. And, joke or not, it is just as insane of Mike to suggest that the FBI might arrest them for performing "Surfer Girl" as it is for you to suggest that it is a "serious" concern of his.
First - I'm, not a dude. You made a statement that there were no parent arrests. There were, and that is the atty. general who was caught lying about it. And those are constitutional standards. Mike can say what he wants - it is called protected speech. In the 70s there was much pushback against voting when you could be drafted for Vietnam and not even vote or buy a beer. It was a liberal issue then that might not be considered that way today. It was a joke on Mike's end which got a laugh, from the audience on twitter if you get some clips from that or other shows. Some journalists want to make a mountain out of a molehill for clicks and raising their profiles. You can PM me if there is a problem.
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Post by positivemusic on Jul 13, 2023 13:46:37 GMT -5
O.K. dude, you seem fixated on pushing a political agenda here. I couldn't disagree more with what you (and seemingly Mike) are peddling. And, for the record, voter registration drives are not inherently liberal, both of the old, tired parties do so, as well as third parties.
That being said, I don't post in a Beach Boys' board to debate politics any more than I would attend their, or any other non-activist bands' concerts to hear political diatribes, whether I would be of that persuasion or not.
This nonsense derails the thread, entirely. No one is arguing that Mike has the constitutional right to say whatever he wishes. The question was whether at a concert, before an innocent song, was the appropriate venue to do so. And, joke or not, it is just as insane of Mike to suggest that the FBI might arrest them for performing "Surfer Girl" as it is for you to suggest that it is a "serious" concern of his.
First - I'm, not a dude. You made a statement that there were no parent arrests. There were, and that is the atty. general who was caught lying about it. And those are constitutional standards. Mike can say what he wants - it is called protected speech. In the 70s there was much pushback against voting when you could be drafted for Vietnam and not even vote or buy a beer. It was a liberal issue then that might not be considered that way today. It was a joke on Mike's end which got a laugh, from the audience on twitter if you get some clips from that or other shows. Some journalists want to make a mountain out of a molehill for clicks and raising their profiles. You can PM me if there is a problem. First of all, dude is a gender neutral term that applies to all. Second, disruptive parents, teachers, etc., will be removed, arrested, etc., as needed. This is not happening en masse as your post suggested. And, to suggest that Republicans didn't hold voter registration drives in the 70's is ludicrous, as that is a big way to increase any party's base. Again, no one is saying that his speech is not protected. I'm not a journalist, I'm just a fan. A big fan, who doesn't not want to see my favorite band of all time embroiled in nonsensical political conspiracies. Mike, in his private life, can say whatever he wants and it has nothing to do with me. But, in a situation where he is representing The Beach Boys brand in an official capacity, such as in concert, in an interview specifically to plug a Beach Boys' product or whatever, he should keep politics and any other controversial biases out of it.
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Post by AGD on Jul 13, 2023 13:46:39 GMT -5
I remember when we discussed The Beach Boys in this section of the board, and didn't push our own political agendas. Mike made a joke - not a good one, even by his standards - and it was a variation of the same joke he's been saying for decades. Some no-name journo decided to divine some unintended subtext and here we are. Elsewhere, predictably, there's been a feeding frenzy. Time to get back on topic, please. This thread is for upcoming gigs.
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Post by lonesurf on Jul 13, 2023 14:46:18 GMT -5
I remember when we discussed The Beach Boys in this section of the board, and didn't push our own political agendas. Mike made a joke - not a good one, even by his standards - and it was a variation of the same joke he's been saying for decades. Some no-name journo decided to divine some unintended subtext and here we are. Elsewhere, predictably, there's been a feeding frenzy. Time to get back on topic, please. This thread is for upcoming gigs.
Yep. Let’s move the political stuff to the sandbox …. We should be focusing on the music.
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Post by boogieboarder on Jul 13, 2023 15:20:16 GMT -5
I remember when we discussed The Beach Boys in this section of the board, and didn't push our own political agendas. Mike made a joke - not a good one, even by his standards - and it was a variation of the same joke he's been saying for decades. Some no-name journo decided to divine some unintended subtext and here we are. Elsewhere, predictably, there's been a feeding frenzy. Time to get back on topic, please. This thread is for upcoming gigs.
Yep. Let’s move the political stuff to the sandbox …. We should be focusing on the music. Can Brian get the last word?
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