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Post by nater on Jun 11, 2023 8:56:38 GMT -5
REVIEW OF 6/2/23 ILLINOIS SHOW:
I can't even find the words to explain what a great show 6/2 in Waukegan, IL was. Mike and Bruce were absolutely the stars of the show, and the night was a great celebration of the band's legacy. The current lineup of musicians sounds phenomenal. Jon Bolton's drumming has so much energy and passion. Mike sounded great, as did Bruce, who had more leads than usual (five!). I'm definitely a fan of John W's guitar playing. He played all the iconic lead and solo parts flawlessly. I really love Ike and Christian's voices--- I think they sing the Brian and Carl parts respectively better than anyone! I'm certainly in the camp of thinking Christian sounds a lot like Carl! When I close my eyes during GOK, there are some moments I'd swear it was Carl. I'm going to list out the setlist and add my thoughts in context.
Pre-Show Video by Noven Jasi: Always gets people excited and in the right mood. I love his editing. Great combination of iconic beloved clips and rare footage/pics. Surfin Safari : Now this is the opening number. I kind of prefer DIA as the opening song, but this works very well too. Great energy. Immediately, I noticed the band was playing LOUD with great energy. Definitely a rock band kinda feel that reminds me of the Knebworth recordings.
Catch/Hawaii: Standard affair for the most part. Jon B plays the Hal Blaine sixteenth-note timbale part on the rims of his drums which sounded AWESOME!
It's OK: Mike & Christian trading leads. Very fun. I'm glad this has stayed in the set, as it's one of my personal favorites.
Do It Again California Sun
Rockaway Beach:This ROCKS! I love it! Glad it's still in the set! Surfin USA: Great surf guitar from John W. Jon B played with the same excitement Dennis used to bring to the song.
Surfer Girl: First Bruce vocal spotlight of the night on the bridge. Harmonies sounded beautiful. The quasi-political intro is unnecessary (regardless of your views) and it actually received some boos. Was over quick enough though, not the end of the world.
Getcha Back Wendy: SUCH AN UNEXPECTED TREAT! My first time hearing this one live! Bruce sounded awesome! Loved hearing this gem.
When I Grow Up: Always makes me cry hearing this one in person. The sentiment of "Won't Last Forever" sung by guys in their 80's is very poignant.
Darlin: Jon B's first lead vocal of the night. He kicks ass on the mic!! He has a lot of soul and rock flamboyance. Great range.
Be True To Your School In My Room
Don't Worry Baby:Great Ike lead vocal.
Car Medley- LDC/409/SD/Honda/IGA: Interesting to hear a reworked Car Medley after all these years. Honda works well in the mix. I'll forgive it being a bike song in the car medley because it's such a fun song. The transition between Honda and IGA sounded really cool, they now play a surf instrumental kinda break between them which was awesome.
Intermission
California Dreamin: Another fabulous lead vocal from Jon B.
California Girls Sloop John B: Bruce singing Brian's verses and Mike singing his.
WIBN Dance Dance Dance: Keith's bass playing shines here.
Then I Kissed Her: Ike lead. Randy playing the castanets.
Please Let Me Wonder: Definetely the highlight of the night. Bruce sounded amazing. Easily one of the best songs in the catalog and the band absolutely did it justice.
Pisces Brothers
God Only Knows: Excellent Christian Love vocal.
Good To My Baby: Another great gem that I'm thrilled has stayed.
Help Me Rhonda: Christian Love lead vocal.
Rock & Roll Music Do You Wanna Dance: Another Bruce lead! He paid tribute to Dennis at the end!
Kokomo: Always a crowd pleaser. Good Vibrations: Always mind blowing.
Barbara Ann: Fun extended solo section with wailing guitar and M&B dance moves!
Fun Fun Fun: Perfect way to end the night. Jon B essentially plays the show out with a super impressive drum solo--- the guy is a beast on the drums!
- Awesome to hear five leads from Bruce, you're usually lucky to a few! His energy and enthusiasm is contagious. He always gets the crowd up on their feet and dancing. His keyboard was very prominent on Hawaii, Be True, Darlin, and GV. More subtle in the mix for the other songs. As always, he spends as much time clapping and walking around as playing the keys. He killed it on his leads though. His pitch is very impressive!
- Ike is a great MD. I could see him watching everybody constantly. And he looked very proud when they pulled off new bits. (Like the new Car medley structure or the revamped GOK bridge, which now has better keyboard sounds) - Mike is a great showman. He really crafts perfect setlists. This setlist gave you all the desired hits with plenty of deeper cuts like Wendy, Please Let Me Wonder, Rockaway Beach, Good To My Baby, It's OK and Then I Kissed Her.
- I probably sound like a broken record, but I'll say it again: Jon B and John W killed it on their respective instruments, and as much as I'll always miss Scott and John C, the new lineup injects a lot of life and energy into the band.
- The guitar parts all sound very authentic, with three guitarists being able to cover different parts. Ike's rhythm guitar is very driving whereas Christian's is more relaxed. It reminds me of Carl and Dave's interlocking rhythm parts on the early records. Add John W's great leads on top and you've got an awesome sound!
- Timmy B is definitely one of the band's MVPs. He covers so many parts it's remarkable! You'd swear the guy has four arms hahaha!
It was such an enjoyable show. Really neat setlist and every musician on stage was giving it their all. Mike sounded like his iconic self and Bruce always kept the energy up.
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Post by Mikie on Jun 11, 2023 19:20:32 GMT -5
Nater, that was real good post! Thanks for that.
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 13, 2023 16:02:11 GMT -5
For the benefit of Bellagio:
Mike and Bruce, along with John Stamos, played a private gig yesterday (June 12) for the Fired Up for Summer event at Coto de Caza, CA -- a fundraiser to benefit the Jessie Rees Foundation (JRF) and kids with cancer.
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Post by AGD on Jun 13, 2023 17:28:25 GMT -5
Thanks, much appreciated. The gig was actually on the 10th.
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Post by Micha on Jun 14, 2023 8:14:29 GMT -5
REVIEW OF 6/2/23 ILLINOIS SHOW: The quasi-political intro is unnecessary (regardless of your views) I wonder what that was...
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 14, 2023 8:52:50 GMT -5
If that intro is the one I think it was, I agree 100%. It was totally unnecessary.
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Post by nater on Jun 14, 2023 11:41:48 GMT -5
The "quasi-political intro" I was referring to before Surfer Girl was stating the song is 'gendered' and a two minute stutter filled rant about gender politics and a certain beer conglomerate.
Look, I'm not gonna lie, I think some of this stuff going on is lunacy, but a BBs concert isn't the place to get into all that. People come to hear about bushy blonde hairdos and Barbara Ann. Not for an 81 year old's take on a divisive issue.
I think Mike knows this deep down. It's ironic that when he was younger, he felt very reserved about getting into politics or divisive/adult topics. Now in his old age, caution not offend has gone to the wind, haha. That might be the influence of a president he's known to be friendly with. Not making a statement on that president politcally, cause this is not the place, other than that I can honestly say he and Mike probably have a similar sense of humor hahaha.
He's wise enough to stay out of most issues onstage. And even when he did his infamous Clinton rant or asides over the years, it was all pretty light hearted.
This just felt awkward. Mike hardly spoke during the show. The only other things he spoke about in depth were his Stamos/Mom joke and going to India with The Beatles. Look, I can laugh at a Stamos joke or two (he's undeniably part of the "canon/lore" at this point) and as someone who practices TM and loves The Beatles, I don't mind hearing about the India trip in '68. But a rant about a hot button issue that's dividing the nation? Please no. Not at a Beach Boys show. And I like Student Demonstration Time!
However, I don't wanna come across like it actually had that much of an impact. It was 2 minutes of 2 hour + show. Half the audience agreed and laughed, half the audience cringed. I gotta say I feel like I'm truly down the middle of those sentiments, but that's beside the point. And truthfully, if he just said the song was gendered, had a chuckle, and began the song it would go over most people's heads. But to stop the flow of the show, in the middle of surfing songs, for any reason, let alone a divisive issue, is certainly a unique choice.
Wasn't the end of the world, but I am definitely wondering if he'll continue doing it after the boos I heard in Illinois.
Still was an amazing night filled with positivity and love, no pun intended.
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Post by AGD on Jun 14, 2023 14:36:06 GMT -5
This just felt awkward. Mike hardly spoke during the show. The only other things he spoke about in depth were his Stamos/Mom joke and going to India with The Beatles. Look, I can laugh at a Stamos joke or two (he's undeniably part of the "canon/lore" at this point) and as someone who practices TM and loves The Beatles, I don't mind hearing about the India trip in '68. But a rant about a hot button issue that's dividing the nation? Please no. Not at a Beach Boys show. And I like Student Demonstration Time! Not in this 'hood. Never was, never will be.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 14, 2023 15:19:53 GMT -5
The "quasi-political intro" I was referring to before Surfer Girl was stating the song is 'gendered' and a two minute stutter filled rant about gender politics and a certain beer conglomerate.
Look, I'm not gonna lie, I think some of this stuff going on is lunacy, but a BBs concert isn't the place to get into all that. People come to hear about bushy blonde hairdos and Barbara Ann. Not for an 81 year old's take on a divisive issue.
I think Mike knows this deep down. It's ironic that when he was younger, he felt very reserved about getting into politics or divisive/adult topics. Now in his old age, caution not offend has gone to the wind, haha. That might be the influence of a president he's known to be friendly with. Not making a statement on that president politcally, cause this is not the place, other than that I can honestly say he and Mike probably have a similar sense of humor hahaha.
He's wise enough to stay out of most issues onstage. And even when he did his infamous Clinton rant or asides over the years, it was all pretty light hearted.
This just felt awkward. Mike hardly spoke during the show. The only other things he spoke about in depth were his Stamos/Mom joke and going to India with The Beatles. Look, I can laugh at a Stamos joke or two (he's undeniably part of the "canon/lore" at this point) and as someone who practices TM and loves The Beatles, I don't mind hearing about the India trip in '68. But a rant about a hot button issue that's dividing the nation? Please no. Not at a Beach Boys show. And I like Student Demonstration Time!
However, I don't wanna come across like it actually had that much of an impact. It was 2 minutes of 2 hour + show. Half the audience agreed and laughed, half the audience cringed. I gotta say I feel like I'm truly down the middle of those sentiments, but that's beside the point. And truthfully, if he just said the song was gendered, had a chuckle, and began the song it would go over most people's heads. But to stop the flow of the show, in the middle of surfing songs, for any reason, let alone a divisive issue, is certainly a unique choice.
Wasn't the end of the world, but I am definitely wondering if he'll continue doing it after the boos I heard in Illinois.
Still was an amazing night filled with positivity and love, no pun intended.
If you go back to 1971-2 ish, even 1966-7, and before, because of Carl's draft status and arrest, on every front page of US newspapers, the band was always at least involved in activism at some level, whether playing prisons for Carl's community service or registering concert goers to vote, there is always some activism going on. Sometimes on a liberal side, sometimes on conservative. Yes, he may have said that before SG, but the song is a 1963 context - not 2023. They did crazy hip hop skits. Student Demo Time was smack in the middle of the anti-war activism of that era as well. I think at 82 Mike gets to say what he wants and should not have to filter everything that is in his head. The deal in the US under the constitution is that even uncomfortable topics are fair game. Anti-war talk in the 60s was unpopular for families whose parents served (and lost family) in WWII. He was brought up under that framework of entertainment sometimes being an expression of political viewpoint and people go to war to defend that freedom of speech. At the end of the day, it was a bunch of musicians who got the ball rolling and who raised awareness to push for the end of the Vietnam War. No one else could pull that type of publicity off for the anti war movement. Rock helped stop that war. He is a tolerant guy; I doubt it is mean spirited. JMHO
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Post by nater on Jun 14, 2023 15:45:32 GMT -5
Agree with the point that Mike obviously has the freedom to say what he wants. Again, it wasn't a travesty. It didn't ruin the night. It was an amazing concert.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 14, 2023 17:30:48 GMT -5
Agree with the point that Mike obviously has the freedom to say what he wants. Again, it wasn't a travesty. It didn't ruin the night. It was an amazing concert.
And, I liked your impressions of the show. Thanks for that. Entertainers, especially comedians are really struggling to bring people humor these days, while terrified of being cancelled. A lot of them are walking on eggshells, where they formerly viewed their job to push the boundaries and find humor in our lives. All the while assuming that their comedic speech was constitutionally protected. That is the danger - our artists look at life a little differently, and even going back to Brian pushing the boundaries on all fronts, releasing Pet Sounds, largely contemplative/introspective for that time, and wondering how both management and the public would react and respond. Artists of all varieties make our lives better and help us work through social issues, or even catastrophic world events so we can stay in balance with art, music, comedy and literature. Even if we don't always agree, they do makes us think, and I am grateful that they do.
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 14, 2023 17:42:17 GMT -5
Fille, this was not activism. It may have been a failed attempt to make a joke about a current topic, but it fell completely flat with me. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for any "gender-specific" song, especially one by a band with a gender-specific name. The joke was NOT funny. I'd prefer that Mike drop it altogether -- I believe he's better than that.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 14, 2023 17:59:55 GMT -5
Fille, this was not activism. It may have been a failed attempt to make a joke about a current topic, but it fell completely flat with me. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for any "gender-specific" song, especially one by a band with a gender-specific name. The joke was NOT funny. I'd prefer that Mike drop it altogether -- I believe he's better than that. If it is the same thing he has said for months, maybe going back to Christmas, I did not find it poorly received. Do you mean Surfer "Girl" by the Beach "Boys?" Or was something different said?
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 14, 2023 18:07:39 GMT -5
Sorry, I'll let others expand on this topic, but I am done with it.
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Post by Mikie on Jun 14, 2023 23:46:46 GMT -5
Meanwhile, back at the ranch....... John Bolton ROCKS the joint. Lookit him play Fun, Fun, Fun, especially at the end. Daaaaaaaaamn!!
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Post by lonelysummer on Jun 15, 2023 0:42:31 GMT -5
Fille, this was not activism. It may have been a failed attempt to make a joke about a current topic, but it fell completely flat with me. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for any "gender-specific" song, especially one by a band with a gender-specific name. The joke was NOT funny. I'd prefer that Mike drop it altogether -- I believe he's better than that. If it is the same thing he has said for months, maybe going back to Christmas, I did not find it poorly received. Do you mean Surfer "Girl" by the Beach "Boys?" Or was something different said? I'm guessing some folks here have never read the series of books "Politically Correct Fairy Tales", "Politically Correct Bed Time Stories", etc. People are acting like today's issues are new. They're not. Same stuff, different label. Maybe the "Beach Persons" should sing "Surfer Person", "Surfin' in a Non-Specific Nation", "Wouldn't it be Acceptable", "The Small of Stature Creature I Once Knew". "Wendy" should become Kim or Fran or some other gender neutral name.
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 15, 2023 2:28:21 GMT -5
For the benefit of Bellagio:
Mike and Bruce, along with John Stamos, played a private gig yesterday (June 12) for the Fired Up for Summer event at Coto de Caza, CA -- a fundraiser to benefit the Jessie Rees Foundation (JRF) and kids with cancer.
Dean Torrence played the event with them.
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 15, 2023 2:31:13 GMT -5
Fille, this was not activism. It may have been a failed attempt to make a joke about a current topic, but it fell completely flat with me. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for any "gender-specific" song, especially one by a band with a gender-specific name. The joke was NOT funny. I'd prefer that Mike drop it altogether -- I believe he's better than that. I agree. He did it in Charlotte too. I think Mike thinks it's funny or odd so he jokes about it.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 15, 2023 5:19:54 GMT -5
Fille, this was not activism. It may have been a failed attempt to make a joke about a current topic, but it fell completely flat with me. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for any "gender-specific" song, especially one by a band with a gender-specific name. The joke was NOT funny. I'd prefer that Mike drop it altogether -- I believe he's better than that. I agree. He did it in Charlotte too. I think Mike thinks it's funny or odd so he jokes about it. But yeah, it needs to go. My take is maybe different. I'm big on not "chilling" constitutional speech rights (especially for those in the entertainment domain) and it goes with the territory of a legal education. It is my filter. I'm a Ricky Gervais fan - he holds up sometimes uncomfortable mirrors. Even going back to the "uncomfortable seat" wisecracks, I appreciate Mike's "take" on what goes on, contemporaneously to current events. One that stands out goes back to around Carl's later years. He would say something like "back when penicillin cured everything." It was not lost on me. In that decade there were several people in my orbit (some local activists in the early gay rights movement) who were in end stage HIV and there was nothing that worked long-term. And, on some level, Mike was articulating what was on a lot of minds in that time-zone. HIV eluded everything and what Mike said was very timely, and for me hitting home- so it gave a chuckle in those grave days, breaking a palpable tension, because so many were in the same boat, knowing someone in end stage HIV, knowing how correct he was that "penicillin was not able to cure anything." Those were the days when it did, and we longed for them and surely wished penicillin would fix HIV, too. Mike was right and it was timely. Mike gave us a laugh, and a second to breathe, and some time-line perspective with the comparison. And how ironic at that point, for a generation who thought they had everything pretty much figured out.
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Post by nater on Jun 15, 2023 9:26:53 GMT -5
JON BOLTON ROCKSS!!!!! THE WAY HE ENDS THE SHOW IS INSAAAANE!
Regarding the SurferGirl discussion, Great points David and filledeplage.
That charity gig is neat. Very cool they still do these things so often!
Awesome that Dean Torrence joined them again too!! Seems like Dean pops out for the private/charity gigs almost exclusively, as for when he joins The Beach Boys. That can also be said largely for the kind of shows Dean-O's been playing in general as of late.
Dean has slowed his touring schedule from frequent/constant to occasional since circa 2013. Gradual at first, but now it's only a handful of shows per year. More often than not in CA. Dean told me at this point, he still gets lots of offers, so he just accepts the ones at A) the low key private gigs (often in CA, where he can just go home afterwards) or B) the places he wants to travel so he gets a paid vacation! Classic Dean-O shtick haha.
I see that he and David Marks have a private gig in July. What are the chances Anyone here lucky enough to be going to that?
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Post by andrewhickey on Jun 15, 2023 11:42:39 GMT -5
Fille, this was not activism. It may have been a failed attempt to make a joke about a current topic, but it fell completely flat with me. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for any "gender-specific" song, especially one by a band with a gender-specific name. The joke was NOT funny. I'd prefer that Mike drop it altogether -- I believe he's better than that. When I saw them in March, Mike only joked about the song being "gender-specific" and nothing else. That joke on its own was cringeworthy, but no worse than he they used to introduce the song saying "we're the Beach Boys, not the Village People". But if he'd gone on a two-minute bigoted rant about trans people, as nater seems to be describing... well, in normal circumstances I'd walk out, making as much noise as possible doing so. I don't know what I'd have done in that case, as it was a cruise, but I'm glad I wasn't faced with that choice. Statistically, there will be trans people in pretty much every audience they play to -- people who are facing actual attacks on their legal rights and very existence, not some nonsense conflating the right to free speech with the right to consequence-free speech -- and the idea that someone would go to a Beach Boys show as an escape from that kind of thing and get more of those attacks from the stage is utterly appalling. People go to see someone like Ricky Gervais *expecting* "edgy" comedy (he's no such thing of course, his comedy comforts the comfortable and afflicts the afflicted, it's about as edgy as a baby's dummy, but that's how it's sold) so know what they're getting into. People go to see a Mike & Bruce show to hear Beach Boys music, not to hear Mike repeat what he's heard from Fox News.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 15, 2023 12:44:03 GMT -5
Fille, this was not activism. It may have been a failed attempt to make a joke about a current topic, but it fell completely flat with me. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for any "gender-specific" song, especially one by a band with a gender-specific name. The joke was NOT funny. I'd prefer that Mike drop it altogether -- I believe he's better than that. When I saw them in March, Mike only joked about the song being "gender-specific" and nothing else. That joke on its own was cringeworthy, but no worse than he they used to introduce the song saying "we're the Beach Boys, not the Village People". But if he'd gone on a two-minute bigoted rant about trans people, as nater seems to be describing... well, in normal circumstances I'd walk out, making as much noise as possible doing so. I don't know what I'd have done in that case, as it was a cruise, but I'm glad I wasn't faced with that choice. Statistically, there will be trans people in pretty much every audience they play to -- people who are facing actual attacks on their legal rights and very existence, not some nonsense conflating the right to free speech with the right to consequence-free speech -- and the idea that someone would go to a Beach Boys show as an escape from that kind of thing and get more of those attacks from the stage is utterly appalling. People go to see someone like Ricky Gervais *expecting* "edgy" comedy (he's no such thing of course, his comedy comforts the comfortable and afflicts the afflicted, it's about as edgy as a baby's dummy, but that's how it's sold) so know what they're getting into. People go to see a Mike & Bruce show to hear Beach Boys music, not to hear Mike repeat what he's heard from Fox News. What I heard was a remark-in-passing. If you didn't listen intently, you'd have missed it altogether. It was more a quip than a monologue. I saw 3 Christmas shows so that is my frame-of-reference. The US has very different speech/censorship rights from other countries. In this country, right now, there is massive censorship in the media which is in direct conflict with our laws. People feel the repression. I used Ricky Gervais as an example because he tends to be in-your-face, and the first one to come to mind doing stand up that can push the boundaries. He can get away with stuff in the US that he might not get away with in other countries because we have different free speech standards. Our highest court has said that the "remedy for uncomfortable speech is more uncomfortable speech." And it might be a matter of situation ethics. We take the 1st amendment very seriously and that covers the press as well. We've been deluged with an epidemic of "cancel culture." That's why platforms such as Twitter became a problem while working with the US government when they were touted as a "public square" for online communication and people found themselves either shadowbanned or censored altogether. That is called "state action" when the government censors you through a private company, such as Twitter, because the government can't do it themselves by law and found a work-around. Or, they thought they did, until they were found out. I realize this is in the weeds. I don't know what Mike said at that particular show, because I was not there. But I do keep tabs on YouTube. And since one major influencer, on Fox, now on Twitter, was fired, that network has been boycotted by millions with cratered ratings - Fox News is dead or on life support. It's influence has been vastly diminished from its status in the past. Fox gets too much credit or blame. Their dominance is gone.
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Post by lonesurf on Jun 15, 2023 15:42:56 GMT -5
Fille, this was not activism. It may have been a failed attempt to make a joke about a current topic, but it fell completely flat with me. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for any "gender-specific" song, especially one by a band with a gender-specific name. The joke was NOT funny. I'd prefer that Mike drop it altogether -- I believe he's better than that. When I saw them in March, Mike only joked about the song being "gender-specific" and nothing else. That joke on its own was cringeworthy, but no worse than he they used to introduce the song saying "we're the Beach Boys, not the Village People". But if he'd gone on a two-minute bigoted rant about trans people, as nater seems to be describing... well, in normal circumstances I'd walk out, making as much noise as possible doing so. I don't know what I'd have done in that case, as it was a cruise, but I'm glad I wasn't faced with that choice. Statistically, there will be trans people in pretty much every audience they play to -- people who are facing actual attacks on their legal rights and very existence, not some nonsense conflating the right to free speech with the right to consequence-free speech -- and the idea that someone would go to a Beach Boys show as an escape from that kind of thing and get more of those attacks from the stage is utterly appalling. People go to see someone like Ricky Gervais *expecting* "edgy" comedy (he's no such thing of course, his comedy comforts the comfortable and afflicts the afflicted, it's about as edgy as a baby's dummy, but that's how it's sold) so know what they're getting into. People go to see a Mike & Bruce show to hear Beach Boys music, not to hear Mike repeat what he's heard from Fox News. I REALLY doubt that Mike went on a “bigoted rant”. Let’s try keep away from the hyperbole & straw men. This is the Endless Harmony board, right?
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Post by andrewhickey on Jun 15, 2023 17:36:23 GMT -5
When I saw them in March, Mike only joked about the song being "gender-specific" and nothing else. That joke on its own was cringeworthy, but no worse than he they used to introduce the song saying "we're the Beach Boys, not the Village People". But if he'd gone on a two-minute bigoted rant about trans people, as nater seems to be describing... well, in normal circumstances I'd walk out, making as much noise as possible doing so. I don't know what I'd have done in that case, as it was a cruise, but I'm glad I wasn't faced with that choice. Statistically, there will be trans people in pretty much every audience they play to -- people who are facing actual attacks on their legal rights and very existence, not some nonsense conflating the right to free speech with the right to consequence-free speech -- and the idea that someone would go to a Beach Boys show as an escape from that kind of thing and get more of those attacks from the stage is utterly appalling. People go to see someone like Ricky Gervais *expecting* "edgy" comedy (he's no such thing of course, his comedy comforts the comfortable and afflicts the afflicted, it's about as edgy as a baby's dummy, but that's how it's sold) so know what they're getting into. People go to see a Mike & Bruce show to hear Beach Boys music, not to hear Mike repeat what he's heard from Fox News. I REALLY doubt that Mike went on a “bigoted rant”. Let’s try keep away from the hyperbole & straw men. This is the Endless Harmony board, right? I'm going from the description from nater, who was actually there, and who said it was "a two minute stutter filled rant about gender politics and a certain beer conglomerate." Unless nater is lying, then he did do that.
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Post by AGD on Jun 16, 2023 4:47:01 GMT -5
Two new September dates: 15 - Caesars Atlantic City, Atlantic City NJ 27 - Walton Arts Center, Fayetteville AR
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