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Post by AGD on Jun 13, 2023 13:52:54 GMT -5
Why make a big announcement that he is no longer touring? The fact that there is no tour is information enough. If something changes, then a tour would be scheduled. There would be no need to then contradict a previous announcement. Well, I'm old school in this matter... but it would be polite, not to mention good management. Like Elton has done. As for contradicting previous statements... in November 2006, I went to what was widely advertised as the final UK performance of Pet Sounds.
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 13, 2023 14:21:32 GMT -5
Why make a big announcement that he is no longer touring? The fact that there is no tour is information enough. If something changes, then a tour would be scheduled. There would be no need to then contradict a previous announcement. Well, I'm old school in this matter... but it would be polite, not to mention good management. Like Elton has done. As for contradicting previous statements... in November 2006, I went to what was widely advertised as the final UK performance of Pet Sounds. An interesting thread could be made for every band that has had a "Farewell Tour" followed by another tour.
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Post by AGD on Jun 13, 2023 14:29:06 GMT -5
Indeed. I think The Who would be very close to the top of the list.
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Post by jk on Jun 13, 2023 15:10:43 GMT -5
Gary Numan mounted a spectacular series of retirement concerts at Wembley in 1981 and has been touring ever since.
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Post by rjm on Jun 13, 2023 19:27:31 GMT -5
Why make a big announcement that he is no longer touring? The fact that there is no tour is information enough. If something changes, then a tour would be scheduled. There would be no need to then contradict a previous announcement. Well, I'm old school in this matter... but it would be polite, not to mention good management. Like Elton has done. As for contradicting previous statements... in November 2006, I went to what was widely advertised as the final UK performance of Pet Sounds. Elton is using his farewell as a marketing strategy, though.
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Post by dauber on Jun 13, 2023 21:01:11 GMT -5
Contradicting a previous statement?
Two words:
The Who
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Post by Sam_BFC on Jun 14, 2023 9:05:47 GMT -5
I think the general situation is pretty obvious to those of us that are interested in such things. Perhaps there has been no announcement due to some kind of sensitivity around attracting or provoking unwanted attention.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 14, 2023 9:17:52 GMT -5
Well, I'm old school in this matter... but it would be polite, not to mention good management. Like Elton has done. As for contradicting previous statements... in November 2006, I went to what was widely advertised as the final UK performance of Pet Sounds. An interesting thread could be made for every band that has had a "Farewell Tour" followed by another tour. There are a lot of these "farewell tours." I think you have to take it with a grain of salt. Someone mentioned marketing. Maybe. Point is, I consider it a "definite maybe." Farewell--like au revoir - "until we meet again." People don't like sitting around. They like to be engaged and out there. It is almost like putting an expiration date on someone who still wants to be productive and engaged. And to perform. Performers miss performing. So, until there's a toe tag, it is a definite maybe. There are other things in life that are final. It is not as though they are out digging ditches. They are traveling which can be tiring, but lots of it is "delegated" - and they can be as engaged doing local TV station interviews or other press or nothing but a few stolen hours sightseeing until sound check and the show. Never is a long time. Tony Bennett was out there in his 90s.
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 14, 2023 9:20:01 GMT -5
An interesting thread could be made for every band that has had a "Farewell Tour" followed by another tour. There are a lot of these "farewell tours." I think you have to take it with a grain of salt. Someone mentioned marketing. Maybe. Point is, I consider it a "definite maybe." Farewell--like au revoir - "until we meet again." People don't like sitting around. They like to be engaged and out there. It is almost like putting an expiration date on someone who still wants to be productive and engaged. And to perform. Performers miss performing. So, until there's a toe tag, it is a definite maybe. There are other things in life that are final. It is not as though they are out digging ditches. They are traveling which can be tiring, but lots of it is "delegated" - and they can be as engaged doing local TV station interviews or other press or nothing but a few stolen hours sightseeing until sound check and the show. Never is a long time. Tony Bennett was out there in his 90s. Who would have thought Joni Mitchell would be back on stage?
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 14, 2023 9:26:58 GMT -5
There are a lot of these "farewell tours." I think you have to take it with a grain of salt. Someone mentioned marketing. Maybe. Point is, I consider it a "definite maybe." Farewell--like au revoir - "until we meet again." People don't like sitting around. They like to be engaged and out there. It is almost like putting an expiration date on someone who still wants to be productive and engaged. And to perform. Performers miss performing. So, until there's a toe tag, it is a definite maybe. There are other things in life that are final. It is not as though they are out digging ditches. They are traveling which can be tiring, but lots of it is "delegated" - and they can be as engaged doing local TV station interviews or other press or nothing but a few stolen hours sightseeing until sound check and the show. Never is a long time. Tony Bennett was out there in his 90s. Who would have thought Joni Mitchell would be back on stage? There you go! 💯
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Post by gerry on Jun 14, 2023 9:31:08 GMT -5
A "toe tag" ? Well aren't we flip and nonchalant? You'll be crying in your beer with the rest of us when Brian is no longer with us. And by the way, for someone in their eighties traveling can be exhausting, throw in performing and I imagine, very stressful.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jun 14, 2023 10:52:01 GMT -5
A "toe tag" ? Well aren't we flip and nonchalant? You'll be crying in your beer with the rest of us when Brian is no longer with us. And by the way, for someone in their eighties traveling can be exhausting, throw in performing and I imagine, very stressful. Inevitable for everyone of us. If Brian is retired from performing live, then put out a statement saying so. Jean Sievers released a statement about how Brian felt about Tina Turner passing. Not a hard thing to do to release a statement. Honestly, singing voice-wise, he should have retired after the Rodrigo Tour.
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 14, 2023 11:18:52 GMT -5
I don't need a statement from Brian if he's done touring, unless the BW Band, Al and Blondie go out on tour together in Brian's stead. Then, give me a date nearby and how to buy tickets.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 14, 2023 11:36:15 GMT -5
A "toe tag" ? Well aren't we flip and nonchalant? You'll be crying in your beer with the rest of us when Brian is no longer with us. And by the way, for someone in their eighties traveling can be exhausting, throw in performing and I imagine, very stressful. It was absolutely not meant as flippant - but as a marker for what is the end. The end is the end. How many tour ads (and not connected to BB/BW/AJ) in any way but generally. Emphasis on hyperbole. How do we describe someone like Taylor Hawkins? Did he retire? No. Someone else (upstairs) determines when we are permanently "retired." And yes, who was not surprised or utterly thrilled and shocked with Joni Mitchell appearing to perform, albeit in a chair, to an enthralled crowd. We don't know when it is the end. I'm in the camp of Someone Else being in charge. And I waited twenty years, after I first saw the BBs to finally lay my eyes on Brian Wilson and have seen him for every tour since and sometimes traveling out-of-state. The term "retirement" is an arbitrary one, depending on what profession you are in and it if it so physically demanding you can't do it past a certain age. A lot of lawyers don't retire until their 70s. They carry a briefcase or an ipad. But police need to retire sooner. You can't physically chase bad guys/girls, in your 70s. It was meant as a general response to the industry and certainly not specific to a BB/BW sphere, and perhaps I was not clear. It is ticket-driven and ad-driven to sell tickets. Other industries and occupations retire, such as those in heavy physical labor which is generally limited to those under 60. My grandfather was in construction, a physically demanding job day job. But it is not something you do into your 80s. But you can sing and write music. I guess that was the comparison I had in mind. Years ago, in their teens and twenties, the bands hauled their own sound equipment and instruments. They don't do that now. That is the comparison and it was not meant as flippant. Tony Bennett was not carrying amplifiers and speakers to the stage for his show. He only had to get there and perform. By the time you reach a certain measure of success, you don't do road crew work. Elton is not doing that, either - he has created his own mini empire, and Elton-economy, like the Beatles and the Stones of employees, and support crew. Elton is someone who might not tour far-and-wide for any number of reasons but doubtful that he would not work on some level because it is in his nature. Same goes for our guys. They get to "delegate" when they achieve success. Sorry if I was not clear or appeared flippant. It was not the intent. 😊
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 14, 2023 16:56:08 GMT -5
Maybe Brian is on vacation.
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Post by gerry on Jun 15, 2023 9:19:12 GMT -5
Let's put out a statement just for you, fans are unbelievable. These guys owe us nothing
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Post by nater on Jun 15, 2023 9:40:32 GMT -5
I don't really think there needs to be a question mark on the title here.
Between the cancellations, relative radio silence (other than typical SM posts), 'Busy Doin Nothin' post, and Carnie literally saying so, I think we can somewhat definitively conclude that BW's touring days are over.
Of course, people said that in 1964. They said it in 1982. The idea of him having a 20 year+ solo touring career was stunning, and about half the audience has likely left every single concert of that span wondering if they'd seen the last BW show. Cause, hell, you were lucky if you got to see him onstage in their 60's hey day. As far back as the early 60's you had a road lineup of Mike/Dennis/Carl/Al/Dave, followed by Brian's brief return, until you had Glen, and then Bruce taking his spot until the 70's. "Brian's Back" was a huge phenomenon in the 70's because even back then it was a miracle to see that guy on stage.
So I understand the reluctance to accept that his concert days might finally be over. He's proved that notion wrong for six decades, making a stage comeback in each one. But this is undoubtedly different.
But I could easily, and HAPPILY, be proven wrong. This is "Brian 'Willpower' Wilson" after all!!!
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jun 15, 2023 10:13:35 GMT -5
Let's put out a statement just for you, fans are unbelievable. These guys owe us nothing Yep, there is nothing reciprocal between a band and its fans. We show our dedication by buying records and attending concerts and being loyal fans and they are expected to do absolutely nothing in return? There is nothing wrong with Respect and Communication between band and fan. Brian doesn’t have to do anything, but it would be nice for him to communicate with his loving, loyal fans. We do worry about him. It’s been that way since 1965.
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 15, 2023 11:04:10 GMT -5
Let's put out a statement just for you, fans are unbelievable. These guys owe us nothing Yep, there is nothing reciprocal between a band and its fans. We show our dedication by buying records and attending concerts and being loyal fans and they are expected to do absolutely nothing in return? There is nothing wrong with Respect and Communication between band and fan. Brian doesn’t have to do anything, but it would be nice for him to communicate with his loving, loyal fans. We do worry about him. It’s been that way since 1965. Yes. And as much as Brian has struggled with his vocals, and other issues we fans have discussed, and as moderate as his solo albums have sold compared to other platinum selling artists - every time I have attended a Brian Wilson show, it seems to have sold out, tickets to good seats were hard to get, and the audience was as enthusiastic as you can imagine.
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Post by gerry on Jun 16, 2023 9:19:53 GMT -5
As it should be for a musical giant
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 16, 2023 9:48:04 GMT -5
Yep, there is nothing reciprocal between a band and its fans. We show our dedication by buying records and attending concerts and being loyal fans and they are expected to do absolutely nothing in return? There is nothing wrong with Respect and Communication between band and fan. Brian doesn’t have to do anything, but it would be nice for him to communicate with his loving, loyal fans. We do worry about him. It’s been that way since 1965. Yes. And as much as Brian has struggled with his vocals, and other issues we fans have discussed, and as moderate as his solo albums have sold compared to other platinum selling artists - every time I have attended a Brian Wilson show, it seems to have sold out, tickets to good seats were hard to get, and the audience was as enthusiastic as you can imagine. One of the reasons for the ticket struggle, at least for 2022, was that Brian was with Chicago and the Chicago contingent seemed to get the prime seats. But that said, everyone could see Brian was a little compromised, albeit a heroic and determined walker-stride to his piano set up. That audience sang God Only Knows to Brian. It was one of the most fan-appreciative scenes I have ever witnessed and participated in. It was utterly extraordinary, at an outdoor show. At this point, we saw him in some type of adaptive chair for the Grammy salute show, which was taped in December, and Carnie has said that it was pretty much the end-of-the-touring life for him but you never know because as with with Joni Mitchell, whose health status rallied enough to be on stage again, we just never know what the future holds. Brian (and the rest of the band) owe me/us nothing. When someone has devoted his/their lives to crafting music to spread to the world, you gotta just accept whichever comes along in the future. None of us knows.
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Post by AGD on Jun 16, 2023 10:46:06 GMT -5
Let's put out a statement just for you, fans are unbelievable. These guys owe us nothing People - fans, actually - are asking. Putting aside the good management issue (Beach Boys... good management... yeah, I know), it's simple good manners. As for the band owing us nothing... well, who's funded their lifestyle since 1961? Agreed, some so-called fans are beyond entitled, but would it hurt anyone so very much for Brian's management to put out something that said "Brian's taking a rest from touring for the forseeable future: if there's any change, we'll get back to you." Anyone with half an ounce of smarts knows that the likelihood of Brian touring again is vanishingly small but... hey, management ? Manage.
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Post by AGD on Jun 16, 2023 10:47:42 GMT -5
At this point, we saw him in some type of adaptive chair for the Grammy salute show, which was taped in December, and Carnie has said that it was pretty much the end-of-the-touring life for him but you never know because as with with Joni Mitchell, whose health status rallied enough to be on stage again, we just never know what the future holds. Brian (and the rest of the band) owe me/us nothing. When someone has devoted his/their lives to crafting music to spread to the world, you gotta just accept whichever comes along in the future. None of us knows. February 8th.
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 16, 2023 11:51:28 GMT -5
At this point, we saw him in some type of adaptive chair for the Grammy salute show, which was taped in December, and Carnie has said that it was pretty much the end-of-the-touring life for him but you never know because as with with Joni Mitchell, whose health status rallied enough to be on stage again, we just never know what the future holds. Brian (and the rest of the band) owe me/us nothing. When someone has devoted his/their lives to crafting music to spread to the world, you gotta just accept whichever comes along in the future. None of us knows. February 8th. Thanks, Andrew - I must have been thinking of Surfs Up on Inside Pop. See it's the long term memory that is intact. 😂 Thanks again.
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Post by rjm on Jun 16, 2023 19:22:52 GMT -5
I don't need a statement from Brian if he's done touring, unless the BW Band, Al and Blondie go out on tour together in Brian's stead. Then, give me a date nearby and how to buy tickets. Same here.
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