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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Aug 5, 2022 20:24:19 GMT -5
They could at least send us all a “no more shows for Wilson “ email.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Aug 10, 2022 9:21:56 GMT -5
This is just getting a little too weird you know.... There has been nothing said about Brian or about his Tour or the cancelled dates still! What is going on? All we had was Al's sort of admission that this was going to be Brian's last show, but it also had no deal of context to it.... Was he serious about his comment? Where is the announcement from Brian's management otherwise...? Seems like the whole thing has gone off the rails and nobody wants to stand to accountability and at least tell the fans and followers 'What is going on!'. So.... What is going on?
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Post by AGD on Aug 10, 2022 10:43:26 GMT -5
Business as usual at BriMel: don't tell the proles anything.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Aug 11, 2022 18:32:44 GMT -5
This is just getting a little too weird you know.... There has been nothing said about Brian or about his Tour or the cancelled dates still! What is going on? All we had was Al's sort of admission that this was going to be Brian's last show, but it also had no deal of context to it.... Was he serious about his comment? Where is the announcement from Brian's management otherwise...? Seems like the whole thing has gone off the rails and nobody wants to stand to accountability and at least tell the fans and followers 'What is going on!'. So.... What is going on? I guess there’s still that good ole rock n roll album to get around to …
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Post by karmafrog on Aug 11, 2022 23:44:30 GMT -5
I have no data whatsoever but this sounds like the kind of situation where the people in charge of making statements do not themselves know what's going on exactly.
I'm guessing maybe the situation with Brian is fluid/uncertain at the moment, so there's no definitive statement to be made. Again, it's a guess. But it tracks.
The more I think about this, I think they must have locked into this tour thinking it was going to be OK and then it unexpectedly was not OK for whatever reason, but they couldn't back out of it because of the financial and logistical problems it would cause.
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Post by dauber on Aug 12, 2022 9:28:28 GMT -5
The Mrs. and I have been talking about it off and on. While Brian sounded good during the brief moments he sang at the show we went to, sometimes he cut himself off, and the way he looked, his heart just wasn't in it. We think that on paper when he and his management agreed to do this tour, in reality it wasn't the best for him. First of all, this tour was mainly at venues with significantly larger crowds than what he's used to. He plays best to smaller places. Also, a guy at his age with his physical issues, the outdoor venues probably didn't do Brian very well, especially the warm and humid weather. Which would at least partly explain why he was so good last year -- indoor venues during the fall, much smaller crowds (we're talking a few thousand versus 15,000). Also, given Chicago's rigorous touring schedule -- heck, that's why they've had a revolving door of musicians in the band, because even CHICAGO can't handle Chicago's touring schedule!
We think there are some serious conversations going on that we're not privy to. "Brian, if you really do want to be out on the road, you HAVE to sing more." "Brian, you really need to think about it: are you physically ABLE to go out on the road?" "Guys, look, I can do this, but you gotta give me a break between shows." etc. We really do believe Brian when he says he enjoys touring (I mean, after all, it gives him the chance to go to restaurants; one thing you cannot deny is that Brian loves restaurants!) -- we think it provides him with distractions from, say, voices he still hears in his head. (If he were just sitting at home, that's more of a chance for things like that to get to him.) But we also know there are other realities that might just...not make it great for him.
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Post by filledeplage on Aug 12, 2022 9:33:36 GMT -5
The Mrs. and I have been talking about it off and on. While Brian sounded good during the brief moments he sang at the show we went to, sometimes he cut himself off, and the way he looked, his heart just wasn't in it. We think that on paper when he and his management agreed to do this tour, in reality it wasn't the best for him. First of all, this tour was mainly at venues with significantly larger crowds than what he's used to. He plays best to smaller places. Also, a guy at his age with his physical issues, the outdoor venues probably didn't do Brian very well, especially the warm and humid weather. Which would at least partly explain why he was so good last year -- indoor venues during the fall, much smaller crowds (we're talking a few thousand versus 15,000). Also, given Chicago's rigorous touring schedule -- heck, that's why they've had a revolving door of musicians in the band, because even CHICAGO can't handle Chicago's touring schedule!
We think there are some serious conversations going on that we're not privy to. "Brian, if you really do want to be out on the road, you HAVE to sing more." "Brian, you really need to think about it: are you physically ABLE to go out on the road?" "Guys, look, I can do this, but you gotta give me a break between shows." etc. We really do believe Brian when he says he enjoys touring (I mean, after all, it gives him the chance to go to restaurants; one thing you cannot deny is that Brian loves restaurants!) -- we think it provides him with distractions from, say, voices he still hears in his head. (If he were just sitting at home, that's more of a chance for things like that to get to him.) But we also know there are other realities that might just...not make it great for him.
This last tour might have been a little different, since he was on Chicago’s schedule. I do think that people need a break when traveling and performing. It it grueling living out of a suitcase.
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Post by karmafrog on Aug 12, 2022 23:03:06 GMT -5
The Mrs. and I have been talking about it off and on. While Brian sounded good during the brief moments he sang at the show we went to, sometimes he cut himself off, and the way he looked, his heart just wasn't in it. We think that on paper when he and his management agreed to do this tour, in reality it wasn't the best for him. First of all, this tour was mainly at venues with significantly larger crowds than what he's used to. He plays best to smaller places. Also, a guy at his age with his physical issues, the outdoor venues probably didn't do Brian very well, especially the warm and humid weather. Which would at least partly explain why he was so good last year -- indoor venues during the fall, much smaller crowds (we're talking a few thousand versus 15,000). Also, given Chicago's rigorous touring schedule -- heck, that's why they've had a revolving door of musicians in the band, because even CHICAGO can't handle Chicago's touring schedule!
We think there are some serious conversations going on that we're not privy to. "Brian, if you really do want to be out on the road, you HAVE to sing more." "Brian, you really need to think about it: are you physically ABLE to go out on the road?" "Guys, look, I can do this, but you gotta give me a break between shows." etc. We really do believe Brian when he says he enjoys touring (I mean, after all, it gives him the chance to go to restaurants; one thing you cannot deny is that Brian loves restaurants!) -- we think it provides him with distractions from, say, voices he still hears in his head. (If he were just sitting at home, that's more of a chance for things like that to get to him.) But we also know there are other realities that might just...not make it great for him.
I think there's probably a lot of truth in this. Ed Roach did mention on a FB thread that he was told that the heat at these shows was a big issue. I also know people in the band but I deliberately haven't asked...I don't want custody/responsibility of inside knowledge for this one.
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Post by Paul JB on Aug 13, 2022 12:08:33 GMT -5
Reading through the last few pages of this thread one would conclude that no matter what is going on, this tour with Chicago was ill conceived. Brian has been attempting singing on less than half the set list at his shows for years….. attempting. Presenting a legend as a warm up act to a crowd that is mostly there for Chicago, in the state Brian has been in these last few years made no sense.
Sorry to be a killjoy but time waits for no one. Map out a graph of Brian’s capabilities/production since the C50 and if you think this is a blip or Brian will turn things around and improve…..he will always remain the man for me in my favorite band ever but the sunset is here.
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Post by AGD on Aug 13, 2022 13:00:24 GMT -5
Factor in that, to all appearances, a European tour was cancelled in order for this the Chicago "joint" tour to go ahead (it was announced less than a week after the cancellation) and all in all, not exactly Brian's management's shining moment.
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Post by Awesoman on Aug 17, 2022 7:39:47 GMT -5
This is just getting a little too weird you know.... There has been nothing said about Brian or about his Tour or the cancelled dates still! What is going on? All we had was Al's sort of admission that this was going to be Brian's last show, but it also had no deal of context to it.... Was he serious about his comment? Where is the announcement from Brian's management otherwise...? Seems like the whole thing has gone off the rails and nobody wants to stand to accountability and at least tell the fans and followers 'What is going on!'. So.... What is going on? It was only a few years ago when Brian's team seemed a little more open on detailing about Brian's health when he backed out of that tour with the Zombies. As others have suggested they are probably playing things by ear with Brian at this point and simply don't have any answers to give. 🤷♂️
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Post by AGD on Aug 19, 2022 11:20:02 GMT -5
I've looked high and low for this "official announcement from the management" that the Canadian press have quoted... and I can't find a damn thing, just keep getting redirected to the original posts. OK, so they may not know exactly what's going on with Brian (aside: I don't believe that for a moment) but it would be good management - hell, it would just be polite - to post something officially offical on Brian's site.
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Post by Paul JB on Aug 19, 2022 12:41:15 GMT -5
What did the Canadian press say?
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Post by AGD on Aug 19, 2022 13:11:18 GMT -5
Kamloops Now, July 29th, 10.30am:
With just one week to go until the highly-anticipated return of Rock The Lake to downtown Kelowna, there’s been a rather significant lineup change.
Unfortunately, headliner Brian Wilson has cancelled all tour dates, including his appearance at Rock The Lake, due to health reasons.
“Brian is bummed to miss this show, but looks forward to seeing his fans on the road again," said Wilson’s management team in a statement released this morning.
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Post by dauber on Aug 19, 2022 21:36:32 GMT -5
That statement was sent out to people who had tickets to Brian's cancelled shows. Word for word, every venue.
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Post by petsite on Sept 7, 2022 9:04:59 GMT -5
Look at Brian's part of Alan's birthday video. Brian is ill, having trouble breathing. When so many people love and respect someone as much people do Brian Wilson, then you OWE IT to those people to at least make some sort of offcial statement. This IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS vibe is a slap in the face. Say SOMETHING.
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Post by Matt H on Sept 7, 2022 9:11:30 GMT -5
Look at Brian's part of Alan's birthday video. Brian is ill, having trouble breathing. When so many people love and respect someone as much people do Brian Wilson, then you OWE IT to those people to at least make some sort of offcial statement. This IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS vibe is a slap in the face. Say SOMETHING. I agree. He did not look good in that video. I wonder if they taped it multiple times, and that was the best of the lot.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Sept 7, 2022 9:24:17 GMT -5
Ironically, I thought Brian looked a lot better in the Al tribute than when he was doing the last bunch of shows. At least he is present in the moment, he can still talk and he knows what is going on. I think it's everyone is having a hard time seeing him deteriorate so quickly, but Brian has not been in the public eye for sometime now. He has considerably aged in the last few years, and time is starting to work against him. I'm glad he is still with us.
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Post by malibu on Sept 7, 2022 10:15:42 GMT -5
Brian looked a very old 80 in that birthday tribute to Al. He's way too old to perform anymore, it's time to hang it up. That's from a dedicated and grateful fan of BW.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 7, 2022 10:24:11 GMT -5
Brian looked a very old 80 in that birthday tribute to Al. He's way too old to perform anymore, it's time to hang it up. That's from a dedicated and grateful fan of BW. It is not age that is prohibitive but infirmity that keeps someone sidelined. He does look better which might support a temporary issue more than a permanent state of affairs. I had seen him last October and then a couple of months ago and there was a big difference. But it is still possible that it could be temporary. The Queen of England was very active until recently and now just picks and chooses what she does and she is 96. I’m hoping for the best for Brian.
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Post by petsite on Sept 7, 2022 11:05:53 GMT -5
I knew someone who having serious medical issues with joint degradation who keep running marathons. Everyone kept saying let her go, she likes it. Now her knees, feet and hips need work but friends are pushing her to keep going, even though she is in constant pain.
Just because you like doing something doesn't mean you should keep doing it beyond the point of diminished returns. And to sound totally capitalistic, people are paying large sums to see you. You need to be present. I have watched Mike performing in recent concerts and even with a flashlight and metal detector he can't find the key. It is past time.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 7, 2022 11:29:09 GMT -5
I knew someone who having serious medical issues with joint degradation who keep running marathons. Everyone kept saying let her go, she likes it. Now her knees, feet and hips need work but friends are pushing her to keep going, even though she is in constant pain. Just because you like doing something doesn't mean you should keep doing it beyond the point of diminished returns. And to sound totally capitalistic, people are paying large sums to see you. You need to be present. I have watched Mike performing in recent concerts and even with a flashlight and metal detector he can't find the key. It is past time. It is kind of complicated. I get it with the marathon thing and how that kind of running punishes your body causing many to have to get “spare parts” such as new knees or hips. But, people stay active or don’t retire for many reasons. They are still intellectually very sharp and want to stay creative and pass on their lifetime of knowledge. Tony Bennett (who I saw just before the pandemic, never dreaming that he had Alzheimer’s because his performance was utterly flawless) would say that he kept touring and performing for maintenance of his sobriety. He said that he needed to work to remain sober. Who can argue with that kind of thinking? Last month I saw the Touring Band several times, and Mike is very much still quite on-his-game. Some need to get off the merry-go-round much sooner, but that is a personal decision. It almost seemed that Brian could have had some long flu (or even some weird kind of long covid)(I’m not a doc but a mom) type thing going on. His voice was different by 180 degrees from 8 or so months earlier. And out of his lifetime of great vocal range. That leads me to think it is more a passing thing, rather than a permanent state.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Sept 7, 2022 11:52:20 GMT -5
Not sure what some are reading into the Al Birthday video footage. Brian looks like what he is. An 80-year-old man. He's singing on-key. I don't see a breathing problem.
I do believe Brian should stop touring, well enough or not. Stay busy in a studio of his choice. That's what I want. Another record.
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Post by Autotune on Sept 7, 2022 12:04:33 GMT -5
Who knew in 1980 what an 80-year-old Brian would look like. Not many people thought he’d make it, btw. Well, here he is. Looking and sounding his age. What he should be doing with his life is none of my business, but I don’t expect great performances or recordings anymore. Time for that has expired obviously; and it’s ok.
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Post by filledeplage on Sept 7, 2022 12:27:51 GMT -5
Who knew in 1980 what an 80-year-old Brian would look like. Not many people thought he’d make it, btw. Well, here he is. Looking and sounding his age. What he should be doing with his life is none of my business, but I don’t expect great performances or recordings anymore. Time for that has expired obviously; and it’s ok. Who would expect Brian to survive his younger brothers? Exactly in 1980 - it was not on the radar. And it is really up to him. Maybe smaller indy (or local) venues with a much less demanding schedule if that would be his wish. No doubt people would travel to see him perform in a small venue. My only issue with the last Chicago tour was that they had dropped the heart-stopping “Wishin’ You Were Here” before the show I saw. Especially since Al (Dennis and Carl) were on the original.
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