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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Jul 22, 2019 23:53:16 GMT -5
Been curious about it - when British singers sing, they mainly sing like Americans. But you listen to these singers - they speak various British accent. But when they sing, you hear they sing lyrics with American accent. But when they speak, they switch to usual British. Is it really easy to do? Many U.K. thespians say that to play American, they study American speech, it takes time. Shouldn't it be ditto with U.K. singers? Is it easier, strangely, to *sing* with American accent than speak? Why, anyway, to sing like Americans? What's the point in *British* singers sing songs in *American* accent? Why not *stay with British* accent they're used to? Anybody would like to explain this puzzling case? Thanks in advance.
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Post by kirkk on Jul 23, 2019 1:46:21 GMT -5
We learn speech and singing by emulating what we hear, primarily. So British people are surrounded by other British people speaking with British accents and thus they speak with British accents. Just like people in America have different accents depending on where in American they were born because they learn based on hearing others speak. This is also why learning a language (particularly the pronunciation of that language) is easier when you live in a country that speaks that language, because you’re constantly hearing it and can emulate it more easily. Similarly, most singers learn to sing by emulating artists they like or what they’ve heard the most, and if those artists are mostly American, their pronunciation is going to favor that. For example, I’m American, but when I sing Beatles songs, I pronounce words like like the Beatles because it’s so ingrained in my head. It actually takes more effort to not sing some of those tunes with a slight British accent.
But I don’t know that I’d say, as a rule, that British singers sing like Americans. I mean, does anyone think Herman’s Hermits are American? Did anyone not realize Davy Jones was British? But it’s easier to sing a song in an accent (especially a cover song) than to speak/act with an accent, I’d say.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Jul 23, 2019 2:22:40 GMT -5
Thank you, kirkk, to give such detailed reasonable answer. Last paragraph makes sense but, I shall tell I did say "mainly", i.e. generally, not every single British artist sings as American. Indeed, people can detect that Davy's British English. Still, many British singers write songs & in studio albums sing lyrics with American accent. It's songs *they'd* written, nobody to impersonate, yet they sing with such phonetic patterns as "t" saying as "r", round vowels they say as "a", like "not" as "nut", "jolly" as "jully", "orange" as "ahringe", "new" as "noo" etc. For example Welsh singer Shakin' Stevens, Oasis with ease delete their really-difficult-to-decipher-in-interviews Manchester accent, instead sing like Americans. Bonnie Tyler sings like Texan citizen. It's really interesting to hear they switch to it. Anybody got anything to add to this what looks like interesting subject to discuss? Thanks again, kirkk, to kickstart it by giving your 2 dollars to the thread.
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Post by g00dvibrations on Jul 23, 2019 14:38:37 GMT -5
It's an interesting question.
There is some truth to it - and obviously if you have a strong accent you might play it down so you appeal more to wider audiences. But I'm struggling to think of many people who have managed to wipe down that voice entirely.
But I don't think its that straightforward - e.g. often the phoentic bit could be just to fit the song rhythm better (take a non-accent related one, such as when The Beach Boys sing Cali-forn-i-a instead of California). Especially if covering a song - if I was singing a Beach Boys song my accent is going to automatically go a lot more American just because that's like the rhythm and cadence of the song.
More generally, the style of music probably makes a difference. Anyone performing country music will sound a lot more American than they are.
Re: Oasis - Liam Gallagher does not sound American. He soothes the accent maybe, but it bleeds through on like every line he sings.
A lot of Scottish acts keep there accents (Biffy Clyro springs to mind)
Arctic Monkeys are an interesting one - their first album is very Sheffield in singing and lyrics. If you'd have only heard their latest album you'd be convinced they are American. I think partly that is stylistic choice and partly lyricist/singer Alex Turner spending a lot more time in America.
You do of course get the converse - e.g. The Killers first album was them doing their best to sound British, because they wanted it to sound like 80s British new wave.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Jul 24, 2019 3:15:38 GMT -5
^ Interesting points, thank you g00v. Theory about *country* artists being sonically American adds dimension to discussion. New avenue, if you will. Didn't think it. Ditto rhymes "Californ-i-a", albeit IIRC nobody says it like that, i.e. it ain't "accent switch" case but band's invention, creative liberty. Interesting point still. Re: Oasis, if you listen to Liam's & Noel's interviews, especially Liam's, he speaks in jolly thick native accent, it isn't neutral English, reaaaaally difficult to get what he speaks about. But in songs he sings crystal-clearly, you can tell what he sings. Maybe accent is still intact but to these ears, he sings lyrics like American singer will. I don't detect it as easy as you. But when I mentioned Oasis, initial instance been Noel, actually. "Don't Look Back In Anger" - really identical to how American singer would sing it, would Oasis be U.S. band. What maybe - even likely - puzzles is that British singers, including Scottish mentioned by you, say/ sing words in American way - see previous reply I'd written - especially when they say "but" as "bar" & any t --> r change. Even somebody who hates by her admission pop music with fashionable accent adaptions & stylings, loyal to her Welsh roots & traditional Welsh folk/ celtic music, even Mary Hopkin used American accent in Eurovision song "Knock Knock Who's There" - "but instead" --> "bar instead". She didn't sing the title "Knuck knuck" but she did get few Americanizations. When she could sing it like British thru & thru. ...or is t-to-r very common in U.K. too? Is it not just American way to speak? But I didn't hear in any British film seen. Paging British English speakers. Btw, it isn't big surprise that various British citizens - Scottish, Welsh, Irish - when they sing would lose their local accents & sing easy-to-decipher neutral English. What's really interesting is they singing in American accent, meaning strictly the original material, covers discount. 2 people brought to discussion why it could be, thanks to both posters. I read few years back about it incidentally & somebody in the Internet stated that maybe everybody sings with American accent due to its ubiquitousness & said it's cliched, singable accent, catchy, stereotypical. Something to the effect. Hm, not really sure. Anyhoo, anybody else to add *their* theories, without repeating kirkk & g00dvibrations? New replies welcomed.
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Post by Silken on Jul 24, 2019 15:28:33 GMT -5
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Post by Ham Burgerstand on Jul 24, 2019 18:46:00 GMT -5
Just a brief footnote about the Californ-i-a pronunciation...
Jerome Kern and E. Y. Harburg wrote a tune called "Californ-i-ay" for the 1944 film Can't Help Singing.
But I suspect this creative pronunciation has even earlier roots, in American folk music from the previous century.
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Post by bonniebella on Aug 2, 2019 4:54:45 GMT -5
Interesting article, Silken. It mentioned somebody who I immediately thought of that sings with her own accent; Lily Allen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 10:34:02 GMT -5
Sorry I'm a bit late to this conversation, but I find this subject to be particularly interesting. Thank you for bringing this up, Beach Boys Fan!
Years ago, I noticed this phenomenon. You'd see a performer like, say, Mick Jagger introducing a song in a fairly thick British accent and then sing the song in a near perfect American dialect. The Beatles did the same thing. Only once in awhile did their "British-ness" show through on their songs (I think it was in Yesterday that Paul pronounces "half" as "holf"?)
Actors do it too (in both directions). I watched the TV show House for years not knowing Hugh Laurie had a pretty substantial British accent offscreen. And there are so many more examples I could cite.
As far as the other direction, how many people thought Katharine Hepburn was from England? I sure did.
And I was recently surprised to learn that Jonathan Harris (Dr. Zachary Smith in the TV series Lost in Space) had been born and raised in the Bronx! He taught himself to speak "eloquently" with a bit of an accent when his acting career began.
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