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Post by monolithic on May 24, 2019 7:20:44 GMT -5
Agreed, but with a caveat - a critical and modest commercial renaissance was underway with their new music, at least with Surf's Up and Holland, the great reviews of their live shows from late '70 on, and even Rolling Stone putting them on the cover, and all this re-stoked the public's interest. They COULD have continued on that path and ended up with a rather sizeable CULT following...but yes, capitulating to the oldies demand made them superstars once again. And very rich. The impact of the failed 1974 sessions is sometimes underestimated perhaps...
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Post by craigslowinski on May 24, 2019 9:47:25 GMT -5
Agreed, but with a caveat - a critical and modest commercial renaissance was underway with their new music, at least with Surf's Up and Holland, the great reviews of their live shows from late '70 on, and even Rolling Stone putting them on the cover, and all this re-stoked the public's interest. They COULD have continued on that path and ended up with a rather sizeable CULT following...but yes, capitulating to the oldies demand made them superstars once again. And very rich. The impact of the failed 1974 sessions is sometimes underestimated perhaps... By that point (after the release and chart-topping success of Endless Summer), they were facing the fact that any new music from them would have to live up to the public's expectation of Brian's previous high standard of excellence. Since it obviously wasn't, they put a lid on it until the events of '76 forced their hand, and 15 Big Ones was the result. If it hadn't been for those super-high public expectations, they could have eeked an album out in late '74/early '75 that probably wouldn't have been quite as strong as Holland, but still came close.
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Post by ian on May 24, 2019 11:28:17 GMT -5
I am unconvinced that the BBs had enough good material in 1974. Brian was out of gas and Carl just was not a prolific songwriter. So unless Dennis carried the load and provided material he was working on-which probably would mean no Pacific Ocean blue in 1977-I can’t see it.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on May 24, 2019 12:41:11 GMT -5
Of course. Walter Yetnikoff, President of CBS Records, summoned the Beach Boys, four years late with their new album, to his office for what they believed would be a pep talk. In fact, he opened with the words, "Gentlemen, I think I've been fucked". So much for insisting that Brian Wilson be on board.... Referring to the Light Album (L.A.), right? I agree with Walter. He got royally screwed on that. I would think not for L.A.. They signed the CBS contract in late 1977, so with owing Warner's one more album, 1979 was really the earliest they could release an album. I forget the whole story, but if Mikie is correct, it would have been for the 1981-1984 time frame. CBS could not have been very happy waiting 5 years between albums.
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Post by Mikie on May 24, 2019 15:16:14 GMT -5
Referring to the Light Album (L.A.), right? I agree with Walter. He got royally screwed on that. I would think not for L.A.. They signed the CBS contract in late 1977, so with owing Warner's one more album, 1979 was really the earliest they could release an album. I forget the whole story, but if Mikie is correct, it would have been for the 1981-1984 time frame. CBS could not have been very happy waiting 5 years between albums. Yes, it was the L.A. Light album. The band met with Yetnikoff at the CBS headquarters in New York. Brian spoke up and said he had some ideas for songs and wanted to record at Criteria in Florida. Yetnikoff gave them two weeks to come up with something, but the tracks they recorded were unusable. That's when they called in Bruce Johnston to produce the album.
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Post by AGD on May 25, 2019 3:30:57 GMT -5
Given Brian had just spent a week or so living in a San Diego park before being flown to Criteria, I'd have to question it was his idea to go there. Also, and I stand to be corrected, I thought Yetnikoff flew down to Florida. Check out the gigs and sessions for 1978 on 10452.
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Post by craigslowinski on May 25, 2019 9:44:17 GMT -5
- The Boys signed with CBS in the spring of '77, which is why Love You was not promoted by Warners, and that's also why they played the CBS convention in London that summer.
- Merry Christmas from The Beach Boys was supposed to be their final Warners album, and California Feelin' aka Winds Of Change (aka MIU) was supposed to be their first CBS album. The former was completed in late '77, the latter was started then and finished over the next several months. When Warners rejected the former, they got the latter, and the Boys had to scramble to come up with a debut album for CBS. So yes, CBS ended up waiting two full years from the time the contract was signed until they got delivery of L.A. (Light). EDIT: And CBS shelled out an $8 million advance in the spring of '77, so their consternation is more than understandable. That's a sizeable chunk in today's economy, and something close to a fortune in '77 dollars. I believe Dennis said they eventually had to give it back since they had nothing to show for it for the longest time!
- Regarding the meeting with Yetnikoff: it had always been reported (from eyewitnesses) that he flew to Miami and met the Boys at Criteria, but a couple of years ago Jerry Schilling retold the story in the pages of ESQ, and stated that the Boys flew to NYC to meet Yetnikoff in his office.
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Post by Mikie on May 25, 2019 12:14:22 GMT -5
From 'Words Of Music of Brian Wilson' – Matijas-Mecca
"Yetnikoff signed the Beach Boys on an 8.5 million package that guaranteed close to 1 million per album in addition to a 2 million signing bonus, including highly lucrative touring and publicity support.
Before the MIU album was finished in 1978, the Beach Boys had to fulfill a tour of Australia and New Zealand as as part of the contract with CBS. As required by the label, all five Beach Boys had to be involved. Brian was pressured to write new material and it was what THEY wanted, not what HE wanted. He disappeared one day and was found in San Diego. After one more hospitalization, he was talked into coming to Florida (Criteria Studios) to start work on a new album. Walter Yetnikoff paid a visit to Criteria to hear the new work. When it became clear that Brian was unable to produce anything, Bruce Johnston was called in".
From Mike Love’s ‘Good Vibrations’ book:
"We had less traction in our recording efforts. We had not yet delivered any music to CBS Records and were summoned to Black Rock, the company’s headquarters in New York. Joined by Tour Manager Jerry Schilling, we waited in the office of Walter Yetnikoff. When he finally walked in, bearded and rumpled, he leaned against his desk and said, "Gentlemen, I think I’ve been fucked”. We all looked at Jerry, and he looked at us. Then Brian raised his voice and said, "Mr. Yetnikoff, I’ve got some ideas for some songs, and I want to do them at the Criteria Studios in Miami". “Okay”, Yetnikoff said. “We’ll be down there in two weeks.” Brian defused the crisis, and we travelled to Miami. But when Yetnikoff came down a couple of weeks later, the tracks that we had been working on became unusable. That’s when we called back Bruce Johnston and he ended up producing L.A. (Light Album) It was mainly a collection of solo songs".
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Post by lonesurf on May 26, 2019 0:36:00 GMT -5
Considering the turbulence & issues that the participants were going through at the time, I am continually amazed that the Light Album turned out as well as it did. Kudos to everyone for crafting a sow's ear into a sorta silk-like purse.
I can easily see why CB$ was so frustrated and disappointed, but ... with apologies to Randy Newman ...
I love LA.
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Post by craigslowinski on May 26, 2019 11:01:33 GMT -5
Interesting...this puts a whole new spin on things (I'm admitting to owning both Mike's and Brian's recent autobiographies, but also admitting to not having read either in their entirety). So, Yetnikoff didn't say "I think I've been fucked" upon hearing the band's new music, but rather at a prior meeting in NYC, when he expressed his disappointment in the lack of a delivered album.
Regarding Bruce's involvement: from contemporaneous interviews with Bruce and others there at the time, Brian called him down to Florida initially just to SING on the album, not produce it (Brian reportedly said something like, "God, I've been smoking cigarettes and can't sing high - I'll call Bruce down"). Each of the other guys also reportedly had expressed a desire to have Bruce join them in the studio. It was apparently after this second meeting with Yetnikoff, at Criteria, where the decision was made to have Bruce produce (along with Jim Guercio, who ended up leaving the project due to some kind of other commitment or outside demand on his time).
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 13:20:08 GMT -5
This whole period for the Beach Boys seemed to be expose a lot of what they'd been hiding for years. Brian was not in great shape, and back into his bad habits, before (I believe) Dr. Landy was brought into the fold a 2nd time. And the band was struggling to really find good material to record or compose.
I also remember a buzz in the industry that seemed to say "What the hell did CBS Records do, with signing this band?" I think most knew that Brian's involvement would be minimal or next to nothing, and there seems to be a confirmation of this especially after they did sign the contract. Brian was in no shape to do anything. I remember seeing a photo of Brian with one of the Bee Gees (see below) hanging out together down in Miami, and Brian looked about as rough as you'd expect.
For Brian (or the band, or both) to ask Bruce to come in and produce, seemed to me, at least, to be a last attempt to try to salvage something, since this contract had been signed, and the band needed to deliver. As we know, The LA ALBUM, was a collection of solo tracks from each member for the most part, and "Here Comes The Night" was Bruce's thing, and he brought it to the band, as he probably thought it would be more successful as a "Beach Boys'" effort. In spite of some good, spirited singing on it...it failed somewhat, but I always felt that "Good Timin'" and "Angel Come Home" were better than average Beach Boys' tracks.
When Bruce continued to produce for KEEPIN THE SUMMER ALIVE, I do remember some interview with him, saying something to the extent that "it was difficult to be a producer of the Beach Boys, because of the strong personalities and trying to deal with this." or something. KTSA is a very bland and sterile album, and except for "Goin' On" and one or two others, the album lacked any cohesiveness, and direction, and the production was flat and sterile. For me, a very hard album to listen to nowadays.
Nonetheless, a lot more about the Beach Boys' and Brian's situation was exposed during this period, and it overshadowed any focus the band may have had to produce a great album. And again, another opportunity lost.
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Addedum:
Here's the photo I'm talking about. It's Maurice Gibb and Brian in Miami, hanging near Criteria Studios....This is sometime in 1978 I believe.
Initially I thought it was "At The Hop"....but I'm pretty sure the band recorded "Calendar Girl" in 1978 at this session. Either way....not that great. Here's
"Calendar Girl"...and you can still hear "At The Hop" below:
And Mike re-did it for his LOOKING BACK WITH LOVE album....here:
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Post by monolithic on May 27, 2019 4:52:48 GMT -5
And if I remember correctly, there was an article which mentioned that the Beach Boys' had recorded a "great" remake of "At The Hop". And in my opinion...not just awful, but completely dreadful!! I suppose this was one of Brian's "new" ideas!! And Mike Love on Helium!! Judge for yourself!!
That cover is from the BB85 era isn't it?
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Post by E on May 27, 2019 6:38:55 GMT -5
There was a 'great' version of Calendar Girl which was also awful and sounded like Mike on helium.
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Post by filledeplage on May 27, 2019 7:38:55 GMT -5
And if I remember correctly, there was an article which mentioned that the Beach Boys' had recorded a "great" remake of "At The Hop". And in my opinion...not just awful, but completely dreadful!! I suppose this was one of Brian's "new" ideas!! And Mike Love on Helium!! Judge for yourself!!
That cover is from the BB85 era isn't it? That is cool! I would have loved that cover on an album. It would have been great in the early 60's when kids when to "record hops."
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:24:48 GMT -5
There was a 'great' version of Calendar Girl which was also awful and sounded like Mike on helium. You know..I think it is "Calendar Girl". "At The Hop" might be an outtake from the 1985 album. I'm not sure. It's one way or the other!!
Alzheimer's.
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That photo of the youtube link is the cover of a Bootleg. But yes, from about 1966 or so. Same photo shoot for a photo used on a bootleg picture sleeve which never
had the vinyl pressed up. Here...scroll down to the red sleeve just after the HAWTHORNE HOT SHOTS EP:
www.beachboys45.nl/USA-Regular-Bootleg%20releases.htm
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Post by craigslowinski on May 27, 2019 13:06:32 GMT -5
At Criteria in late August/early September '78, Brian produced "Calendar Girl", "California Feelin'", and an unfinished version of "Brian's Back" for the Boys.
Four years later, in late '84, the Boys recorded that version of "At The Hop" with producer Steve Levine, for possible inclusion on their '85 self-titled CBS LP.
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Post by Cam Mott on May 27, 2019 16:03:06 GMT -5
Brian produced his own "comeback" song? Well that is news to me! Did everybody but me know that?
It will be interesting to see how "they" are going to blame this on you-know-who now?
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Post by monolithic on May 27, 2019 16:47:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Calendar Girl is pretty weak (a wretched photo of the group here as well):
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Post by Paul JB on May 27, 2019 20:42:14 GMT -5
Brian produced his own "comeback" song? Well that is news to me! Did everybody but me know that? It will be interesting to see how "they" are going to blame this on you-know-who now? “they” will continue to drink the Kool Aid. One of the best things about this and the Holland thread it was borne from is the factual data emerging that debunks “their” nonsense. From the Holland days to the end of the CBS days I see a plain as day picture of a man neither willing nor able to do what people expected of him. Inarguable. The thing that irritates me more than anything concerning Brian and the Beach Boys is the fallacy that Brian would have been just fine and created all kinds of great music if the idiots he was stuck with would have gotten out of the way and let him be. And when this crap is spewed about ‘he wasn’t able to do his own thing’ just laugh because Dennis, Mike and Carl all took a shot at their own thing and released solo records between ‘77 and ‘83. If Brian had been ready, willing or able to do his own thing from Smile forward he would have. HE was Brian Wilson. My 3 cent opinion and I’m sticking to it as I pull a Cam, drop mic and walk off stage.
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Post by kirkk on May 27, 2019 23:28:13 GMT -5
Brian produced his own "comeback" song? Well that is news to me! Did everybody but me know that? It will be interesting to see how "they" are going to blame this on you-know-who now? “they” will continue to drink the Kool Aid. One of the best things about this and the Holland thread it was borne from is the factual data emerging that debunks “their” nonsense. From the Holland days to the end of the CBS days I see a plain as day picture of a man neither willing nor able to do what people expected of him. Inarguable. The thing that irritates me more than anything concerning Brian and the Beach Boys is the fallacy that Brian would have been just fine and created all kinds of great music if the idiots he was stuck with would have gotten out of the way and let him be. And when this crap is spewed about ‘he wasn’t able to do his own thing’ just laugh because Dennis, Mike and Carl all took a shot at their own thing and released solo records between ‘77 and ‘83. If Brian had been ready, willing or able to do his own thing from Smile forward he would have. HE was Brian Wilson. My 3 cent opinion and I’m sticking to it as I pull a Cam, drop mic and walk off stage. While I agree that Brian is given a bit too much leeway and The Beach Boys (particularly Mike) are painted as the uncaring villains, I do think it’s unfair to say that Brian would’ve done a solo album if he had wanted to by citing the existence of Dennis, Mike, and Carl’s solo albums or to swing things back the total opposite direction and totally blame Brian. I think both parties have culpability. The situation was different for Brian, as I understand it (please correct me if I’m wrong!), in that The Beach Boys contracts both with Warner and later with CBS stipulated that Brian had to be be involved to various degrees (I feel like the percentages vary?) As a result, I can imagine that when Brian went into the studio at all, The Beach Boys were already eyeing what he was doing and giving their two cents, implicitly or explicitly making it clear that anything he did had to ostensibly be thought of as Beach Boys product first and foremost and, if it didn’t work in that regard, it was worthless. I can similarly imagine if that is even remotely the situation, where anything he made was scrutinized immediately as product for my band, it would make him less and less interested in creating. Dennis, Carl, and Mike didn’t have that kind of pressure or expectation on everything they recorded. Dennis particularly strikes me as the only member of the band who was creating just to create, express himself, and make music. I do think Brian was denied this for the most part (not just by the band, but by his own personal desire to make hits and compete with his past). This is not to say that if The Beach Boys had broken up or something that suddenly Brian would’ve been putting out Pet Sounds-level works or anything like that. That is absolutely overblown and wishful thinking. But yeah, shades of gray etc. etc.
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Post by dauber on May 28, 2019 6:39:57 GMT -5
And if I remember correctly, there was an article which mentioned that the Beach Boys' had recorded a "great" remake of "At The Hop". And in my opinion...not just awful, but completely dreadful!! I suppose this was one of Brian's "new" ideas!! And Mike Love on Helium!! Judge for yourself!!
That cover is from the BB85 era isn't it?
It's gotta be. The way those "drums" explode, the obvious digitalness of the whole track...
I think Mike's lead vocal sounds natural enough (it's definitely his typical "Look at us - we're so old and we're doing oldies!" voice), but the backing vocals do reek of helium. It sounds like it was just one sung note, and when the notes were built for harmonies, they were just digitally altered rather than re-sung naturally, know what I mean?
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