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Post by Cam Mott on Apr 16, 2019 22:46:02 GMT -5
...that I've been right for two decades.   I've taken a lot of guff over it even as recently as 2016 on a board before last (from a Moderator even). So.... (mic drop) |
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Post by Al S on Apr 17, 2019 2:20:04 GMT -5
And here’s hoping the next 2 decades (give or take a year or two) are guff free for you and your Smile fanaticisms, Cam!
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 17, 2019 8:25:07 GMT -5
...that I've been right for two decades. I've taken a lot of guff over it even as recently as 2016 on a board before last (from a Moderator even). So.... (mic drop) Don't even give it a thought.  |
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Post by Paul JB on Apr 17, 2019 8:50:50 GMT -5
Please elaborate Cam. I've been around for years too but I'm not sure of the reference. Plus, what is the source of that text? New board and new members means it's OK to revisit the old IMO.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Apr 17, 2019 9:05:21 GMT -5
Please elaborate Cam. I've been around for years too but I'm not sure of the reference. Plus, what is the source of that text? New board and new members means it's OK to revisit the old IMO. Absolutely! |
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Post by dauber on Apr 18, 2019 0:12:50 GMT -5
And two of those links are broken...need some more context!
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Post by Cam Mott on Apr 18, 2019 5:48:28 GMT -5
Sorry, it is related to a reply in another thread but I didn't explain any of it (you know, old-man-style). That is a quote from Brian's 2016 autobio.
A long time ago in a Green Mansions* far, far away I proposed that the change from the SMiLE title "Vega-Tables" to the Smiley Smile title "Vegetables" on April 4, 1967 was one of a few other markers showing Brian had already transitioned from SMILE to what would be known as Smiley Smile. This has since been pretty much ignored but a few fans have been very confidently dismissive to the point of insulting as recently as January 2016 using their ears and common sense and presumptions as evidence. Here is Brian himself confirming it. I'm just using this opportunity to finally thumb my nose at them.
"The autobio came out in October 2016, why bring it up now, Cam?" you might ask. No? You didn't ask and you don't care? Well, I'm going to answer anyway. I'm a slow reader.
* Green Mansions was another BBs forum born of another schism over Moderation. Everything old is new again. It was a lot like this forum and PSF but with more Hank Briarstem.
PS. What two links, Daub'?
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Post by AGD on Apr 18, 2019 6:26:28 GMT -5
Cam, ol'pal... you're really using a ghost written autobiography of Brian Wilson as a prime source ?
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Post by Cam Mott on Apr 18, 2019 6:58:48 GMT -5
Still counts, ol' pal-o-mine.
Maybe "they" want to discredit Brian's autobio and then what next, sir? "They" start discrediting the truthiness of the movie "Love And Mercy"? Who wrote Mike's autobiography? "Shirtgate"? Who killed C50? "Who pays the bills"? Is nothing sacred?
Besides the evidence speaks for itself.
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 18, 2019 7:50:14 GMT -5
.....and another thing!.......(tumbleweed)......Al also understood that the April '67 version of "Vegetables" was not the SMiLE version......(crickets).......I wonder what Mike and Bruce knew/understood about the issue?
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Post by craigslowinski on Jun 18, 2019 10:34:30 GMT -5
Can we say basically the same thing about "Cabin Essence"...that it was reworked as "Cabinessence" for 20/20?  |
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 18, 2019 11:46:57 GMT -5
Yes we can, also "Surf's Up" for Surf's Up, etc., etc..  Unless your ears and logic and common sense tell you they were rerecorded in the home studio so they obviously must have been intended for the Smiley Smile album, that was their sort of standard of proof as I remember. It's confusing. |
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Post by Jim on Jun 18, 2019 16:52:13 GMT -5
Pardon my abject stupidity Cam, but what is it you're saying that you were right about?
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 18, 2019 20:10:40 GMT -5
Pardon my abject stupidity Cam, but what is it you're saying that you were right about? Mostly everything. Just kidding. That the April '67 "Vegetables" was a Smiley recording, not a SMiLE recording. (thunder rolls) |
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Post by craigslowinski on Jun 19, 2019 9:40:25 GMT -5
Pardon my abject stupidity Cam, but what is it you're saying that you were right about? Mostly everything. Just kidding. That the April '67 "Vegetables" was a Smiley recording, not a SMiLE recording. (thunder rolls) And yet, it's on the SMiLE Sessions box set, so how can that be??  |
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 19, 2019 12:10:52 GMT -5
It's a mystery. 🙂
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Post by AGD on Jun 19, 2019 13:30:47 GMT -5
Mostly everything. Just kidding. That the April '67 "Vegetables" was a Smiley recording, not a SMiLE recording. (thunder rolls) And yet, it's on the SMiLE Sessions box set, so how can that be?? So is "Three Blind Mice" and the Jasper Dailey track... |
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Post by Paul JB on Jun 19, 2019 14:09:54 GMT -5
Pardon my abject stupidity Cam, but what is it you're saying that you were right about? Mostly everything. Just kidding. That the April '67 "Vegetables" was a Smiley recording, not a SMiLE recording. (thunder rolls) And this means.....that Brian had moved on from Smile already as early as April and knew the original intended album was not to be? Or something else? |
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 19, 2019 14:23:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly sure what it means except apparently that Brian considered SMiLE scrapped before April 4. Makes sense really when you think about it (and consider what other witness there is about).
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 19, 2019 14:47:58 GMT -5
Probably something like that or Brian didn't communicate the distinction until later, although Derek Taylor seems to know and is reporting in April that there are at least problems with Brian and the singĺe(s) and the album.
As I've pointed out before, Mike knew the SMiLE covers were done in April and some of the album songs and titles had changed but didnt seem to know even in July that the album title had changed too.
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Post by Paul JB on Jun 19, 2019 14:52:24 GMT -5
That's a pretty sensible way of looking at things Salty. Open for debate but I'd agree Brian had moved on, as Cam is also suggesting, yet had not made any firm decision on anything really. Things were fluid as ever it seems during that time period and Brian IMO was indeed slipping into the abyss. There will likely never be any certain answers on much of the Smile saga but it sure is fun to give it a whirl now and then.
Cam...please keep up your little (mic drops) and (thunder rolls) ect, always love that added touch of humor.
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 19, 2019 15:10:45 GMT -5
Thanks.
I'm very slowly scraping together what I see as other evidence for the one-after-next installment in my seemingly-never-going-to-shut-up series "The Beginning of (the Ending of) SMiLE: Part 4".
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Post by Jim on Jun 19, 2019 15:50:43 GMT -5
So Cam (and all others for that matter)...
What was the April 1967 version of "Wonderful"? A b-side to "Vega-Tables"?
And even more confusingly, what on earth is with that version of "Child Is Father Of The Man" from April? I admit I'm not a session paperwork connoisseur, so what was that recorded listed as on any relevant paperwork?
And lastly, way outside of the purview of this stuff, I still can't for the life of me figure out what the late 1967 version of "Surf's Up" was all about. I've heard it was supposedly "testing the equipment" but it at least sounded to me that after listening to the version that was on the Sunshine Tomorrow set that it did seem like Brian was "going for it" and trying to get a quality recording of that one.
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