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Post by Paul JB on Apr 9, 2019 10:01:57 GMT -5
Maybe it is just me but I find it somewhat odd that the BB's did not give the New Wave sound a try at some point. Or did they and I'm not remembering? I should probably be looking at their discography but off the top of my head the only song that sort of comes close is maybe Passing Friend....maybe.?
New Wave bands had a lot of 60's influence and I think the Beach Boys could have jumped on that sound and had some great records. If you are familiar with bands like The Cars, Blondie, The Police, The Go Go's.... acts that were very popular in their time and creating a lot of hits....it seems like a missed opportunity. The BB's tried many different sounds and if they could do the disco version of HCTN or the country Living with a Heartache when New Wave was in full force then what gives? Instead we got things like Peggy Sue, School Days, Getcha Back, California Calling or Rock & Roll to the rescue .....the Boys obviously thinking those tracks were what cool rocking songs sounded like at the time. Maybe they felt they were too old?
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Post by E on Apr 9, 2019 10:33:18 GMT -5
Have you heard Jethro Tull's new wave album?
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Post by Jason (The Real Beach Boy) on Apr 9, 2019 10:48:34 GMT -5
Love You is very new wave.
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Post by Paul JB on Apr 9, 2019 13:21:18 GMT -5
Ed. No....am I to assume it's crap or something?
Jason. Yes and No...not in the traditional sense. It also went straight into the discount bin. Despite some peoples love for Love You the mixing and production quality were not commercial.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Apr 9, 2019 14:59:23 GMT -5
Ed. No....am I to assume it's crap or something? Jason. Yes and No...not in the traditional sense. It also went straight into the discount bin. Despite some peoples love for Love You the mixing and production quality were not commercial. I think with Love You, Brian was a bit ahead of the curve. It's pre-New Wave. I would have loved to see these guys refine it some more and move in that direction or into power-pop. Seems to me that that Love You was the last album where they took some chances to find a sound that worked. |
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Post by Emdeeh on Apr 9, 2019 16:01:34 GMT -5
Have you heard Jethro Tull's new wave album? Are you referring to A? |
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Post by AGD on Apr 9, 2019 17:25:23 GMT -5
Ed. No....am I to assume it's crap or something? Jason. Yes and No...not in the traditional sense. It also went straight into the discount bin. Despite some peoples love for Love You the mixing and production quality were not commercial.You should have heard it before Carl sprinkled some fairy dust over it. |
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Post by craigslowinski on Apr 9, 2019 18:32:50 GMT -5
"Male Ego" is new waveish. So is "Crack At Your Love", kinda.
I just think that anytime the Beach Boys TRIED to sound "contemporary" after Holland, it came across as just that - a veteran band with a well-known sound TRYING to sound like something they're not. From Smiley through Sunflower, they just did their own thing, whatever it was at the moment, and they usually sounded very unhip, but we recognize it as cool now. From Surf's Up to Holland, they managed to sound "modern" without really trying (sometimes though, as on most of So Tough, they really didn't sound like themselves). After that...well, either they sounded like they were trying too hard, or like they just didn't care (and frankly, I prefer the latter - at least there's no pretense then).
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Post by catbirdman on Apr 10, 2019 8:06:40 GMT -5
Have you heard Jethro Tull's new wave album? Are you referring to A? most likely. Hated by many Tull fans but personally I think it's at least half of a great album, and anything Ian Anderson puts his efforts toward is going to be done well. I would call it more synth pop than new wave. As for new wave: while it seems to mean different things in the UK and US, if we use The Cars, Police, Blondie as our reference points, YES, I think they could have done some interesting things incorporating some of that aesthetic...but it could also be disaster. |
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Post by John Manning on Apr 10, 2019 8:30:41 GMT -5
Under Wraps most likely. Hated by many Tull fans but personally I think it's at least half of a great album, and anything Ian Anderson puts his efforts toward is going to be done well. I would call it more synth pop than new wave. As for new wave: while it seems to mean different things in the UK and US, if we use The Cars, Police, Blondie as our reference points, YES, I think they could have done some interesting things incorporating some of that aesthetic...but it could also be disaster. Wasnt it Under Wraps that Anderson himself described as the best Dire Straits album Tull ever made? |
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Post by catbirdman on Apr 10, 2019 8:37:05 GMT -5
Under Wraps most likely. Hated by many Tull fans but personally I think it's at least half of a great album, and anything Ian Anderson puts his efforts toward is going to be done well. I would call it more synth pop than new wave. As for new wave: while it seems to mean different things in the UK and US, if we use The Cars, Police, Blondie as our reference points, YES, I think they could have done some interesting things incorporating some of that aesthetic...but it could also be disaster. Wasnt it Under Wraps that Anderson himself described as the best Dire Straits album Tull ever made? I haven't heard that exact quote from Ian, but I would guess he was referring to Crest of a Knave there. Fans talk about it a lot and make that comparison. Crest was the first post-voice collapse album, so Ian adopted a scruffier Knopfler-esque gentle growl. At the same time, Martin Barre decided to channel Knopfler on the guitar. All of which added up to Heavy Metal apparently.  |
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Post by Paul JB on Apr 10, 2019 9:07:05 GMT -5
Catbird Man. Incorporating that aesthetic as you say...thanks....that's what I mean.
Prominent bass and surf guitar is all over many New Wave songs. Trademarks of many of The Beach Boys early greats. Yet nowhere on their late 70's-80's stuff. Any Linda Ronstadt fans out there might remember her 1980 album Mad Love. Not sure how well it sold but it is one of her best ever. That album has a lot of Elvis Costello songs and is very new wave. Holds up well and sounds great today, not a dud on it. I think the right producer could have done something with New Wave elements and turned a blah song like Some of Your Love into something pretty cool. For crying out loud Mike was singing in Japanese on the same record as their 10 minute disco song and they took a chance on that.
One more thing about Love You. I didn't like it much when it came out and am still not thrilled with it but I do recognize the quality of the song structure itself. I'll take AGD's word for it that it sounded better before being tinkered with but as it stands the synth is too much and overpowering. Also too many muddy/mushy/rough vocals and I will never be a fan of the gruff Brian voice.
***edit...not sure if you mean a better or worse mix before Carl's tinkering AGD. Also added the clip below, explains what I mean better than words. From the castanets right away, the surfin' USA type keyboard....prime example of old meets new and they could have capitalized on this sound in a big way IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 9:41:50 GMT -5
Ed. No....am I to assume it's crap or something? Jason. Yes and No...not in the traditional sense. It also went straight into the discount bin. Despite some peoples love for Love You the mixing and production quality were not commercial.You should have heard it before Carl sprinkled some fairy dust over it. I am very curious to hear the production pre-Carl. I actually think some of his guitar lines detract from the ambiance in a few tracks |
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Post by Jason (The Real Beach Boy) on Apr 11, 2019 8:10:43 GMT -5
Some of the tracks go around...they are beyond rough around the edges.
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Post by aquarius on Apr 11, 2019 12:16:44 GMT -5
You should have heard it before Carl sprinkled some fairy dust over it. I am very curious to hear the production pre-Carl. I actually think some of his guitar lines detract from the ambiance in a few tracks Well, what I've heard is unequalized, first of all. So there is a lot of hiss and static on it. A LOT. Otherwise, it's a bit more bare-boned: think the newer tracks on Adult Child, something like that, only unequalized. A lot of the guitar from the final mix is still there on the earlier mix, though. |
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Post by AGD on Apr 12, 2019 14:21:37 GMT -5
Catbird Man. Incorporating that aesthetic as you say...thanks....that's what I mean. Prominent bass and surf guitar is all over many New Wave songs. Trademarks of many of The Beach Boys early greats. Yet nowhere on their late 70's-80's stuff. Any Linda Ronstadt fans out there might remember her 1980 album Mad Love. Not sure how well it sold but it is one of her best ever. That album has a lot of Elvis Costello songs and is very new wave. Holds up well and sounds great today, not a dud on it. I think the right producer could have done something with New Wave elements and turned a blah song like Some of Your Love into something pretty cool. For crying out loud Mike was singing in Japanese on the same record as their 10 minute disco song and they took a chance on that. One more thing about Love You. I didn't like it much when it came out and am still not thrilled with it but I do recognize the quality of the song structure itself. I'll take AGD's word for it that it sounded better before being tinkered with but as it stands the synth is too much and overpowering. Also too many muddy/mushy/rough vocals and I will never be a fan of the gruff Brian voice. ***edit... not sure if you mean a better or worse mix before Carl's tinkering AGD. Also added the clip below, explains what I mean better than words. From the castanets right away, the surfin' USA type keyboard....prime example of old meets new and they could have capitalized on this sound in a big way IMO. Carl's post-production improved what Brian handed in. Considerably. |
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