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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 7:21:30 GMT -5
I never heard of this country album. Anywhere I could read about it?
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Post by Fall Breaks on Mar 7, 2019 7:26:10 GMT -5
No chance that this will be released as part of a copyright extension set, then?
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Post by sneakypete77 on Mar 7, 2019 7:29:12 GMT -5
I never heard of this country album. Anywhere I could read about it?
Try AGD's website - scroll down to "Cows In The Pasture"
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Post by micd95 on Mar 7, 2019 7:38:45 GMT -5
Happy to donate if this is legit.
Btw AGD, the unreleased page name is spelled wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 8:01:25 GMT -5
I wonder if Fred asked Brian Wilson. That's pocket change for him.
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Post by M.I.U. Fan on Mar 7, 2019 8:27:10 GMT -5
That's $5 from 1,000 fans. I think we can swing it.
I'm surprised that there is trouble getting support for this album's release. I mean, if "World of Peace May Come" could get off the ground surely this project should be able to as well.
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Post by filledeplage on Mar 7, 2019 8:55:23 GMT -5
The link appears to be dead. Tried it on a mac and iPad. Could it have been pulled down? Is this the same one?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:00:00 GMT -5
The link appears to be dead. Tried it on a mac and iPad. Could it have been pulled down? Is this the same one? Apparently it is.
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Post by Mikie on Mar 7, 2019 15:05:38 GMT -5
I dunno. Out of 15 songs, only 5 had vocals and the vocals were Fred's? Even if guys like James Burton and Red Rhodes played on the tracks, you gotta admit that even if this collection of incomplete songs was booted, you'd probably only listen to it once through (if that) and then it would hit the shelf to collect dust. Even a download....unless it were free, I wouldn't pay for this. Sorry.
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Post by John Manning on Mar 7, 2019 16:40:22 GMT -5
I’d be happy to throw in a few quid, long as the kids can eat and I can afford the bus to work.
An album of Brian-produced material from that era shouldn’t be sneezed at.
Linda Ronstadt? Seriously??? I hadn’t heard that.
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Post by g00dvibrations on Mar 7, 2019 18:53:29 GMT -5
I'll be the one to note that the $5000-$6000 is now more like $6500 once you convert from sterling.
And I'm interested by the use of the word "Official".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:08:01 GMT -5
Has Fred approved the actual GoFundMe you created? Is this even legal?!
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Post by g00dvibrations on Mar 7, 2019 19:23:50 GMT -5
Call me a cynical fool, but considering how GoFundMe works, how do we know money is actually going to be used for this.
And considering that (unlike say Kickstarter), money is deposited and can be withdrawn before the target is met, if this falls apart will people be getting their money back?
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Post by AGD on Mar 8, 2019 1:36:15 GMT -5
Some suspicious folk here. I mean, really...
That's my job.
BTW, said tracks won't be in this year's CopEx release (assuming there is one), of course.
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Post by John Manning on Mar 8, 2019 2:30:48 GMT -5
It sure would be nice if Fred would come on here and endorse this. I mean, he’s a nice guy and if he’s hoping to get $6,500 in his bank account I’m sure he’d want to reach out to fellow fans.
Releasing this album would be a Good Thing in the minds of many of us here but, with no offence Ribbit, we’ve only just met you and your ten posts on Endless Harmony have all been in this one thread, so you’ll excuse me for seeking some form of verification, Mehdi Moosvi.
“Mehdi Moosvi”, the name in the funding account, doesn’t even seem to have a Facebook account.
I hope you don’t mind but I’ve reached out to Fred about this and invited him to come onboard here or at Smiley. I’ve asked him a few questions, and invited him to let us know what he knows about this campaign.
We have reasons to be suspicious; remember the campaign to get the First Wave material released a year or three back? That floundered but, shortly after, the material was released – legitimately – remastered by Mark Linett.
Have Mark or Alan Boyd been approached in relation to this project? They’d be obvious allies to have onboard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 3:30:12 GMT -5
It sure would be nice if Fred would come on here and endorse this. I mean, he’s a nice guy and if he’s hoping to get $6,500 in his bank account I’m sure he’d want to reach out to fellow fans. Releasing this album would be a Good Thing in the minds of many of us here but, with no offence Ribbit, we’ve only just met you and your ten posts on Endless Harmony have all been in this one thread, so you’ll excuse me for seeking some form of verification, Mehdi Moosvi. “Mehdi Moosvi”, the name in the funding account, doesn’t even seem to have a Facebook account. He is called PetSmile over at Smiley Smile, and has been a member since 2015 with 80+ posts: smileysmile.net/board/index.php?action=profile;u=9001
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Post by kirkk on Mar 8, 2019 4:09:34 GMT -5
Let’s be honest - if a guy wanted to scam some people for money, using an incredibly obscure unreleased Brian Wilson production as a lure and posting on two Beach Boys fan message boards, faking interaction with Fred Vail, of all people, would have to one of the worst, most ineffectual methods I can think of. Even if I found out it was a scam, I would probably still give him money out of respect for him committing to such a wacky method.
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Post by John Manning on Mar 8, 2019 4:46:58 GMT -5
Let’s be honest - if a guy wanted to scam some people for money, using an incredibly obscure unreleased Brian Wilson production as a lure and posting on two Beach Boys fan message boards, faking interaction with Fred Vail, of all people, would have to one of the worst, most ineffectual methods I can think of. Even if I found out it was a scam, I would probably still give him money out of respect for him committing to such a wacky method. Aye, it’s definitely obscure! Just like to see some authenticity before stumping up. Many here will remember that obscure First Wave project that Brad Elliot received a not-insignificant number of dollars for. Nothing wrong with verification. As I posted earlier, I’d be up for this but I’d like to known it’s all being done properly - and, incidentally, that all legitimate avenues have already been explored. What’s BRI’s position on this? Has it already decided against involvement? Has anyone asked them?
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Post by Keepin' The Worms Alive on Mar 8, 2019 5:05:11 GMT -5
Imagine if this got released and it somehow managed to make Country Love sound like Holland.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 7:53:17 GMT -5
Yeah, semms a little sketchy. Country music isnt my thing, so even if this is legit Id rather not get involved personally. Give me a call when they do an official, studio-quality release of the Paley sessions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 7:59:39 GMT -5
Let’s be honest - if a guy wanted to scam some people for money, using an incredibly obscure unreleased Brian Wilson production as a lure and posting on two Beach Boys fan message boards, faking interaction with Fred Vail, of all people, would have to one of the worst, most ineffectual methods I can think of. Even if I found out it was a scam, I would probably still give him money out of respect for him committing to such a wacky method. Im not saying definitively that this is a scam, but stranger things have happened. Once, some guy started a kickstarter to fund a new repaired version of the NES game Cheetahmen 2, fixing a game breaking glitch in the original carts which made the final two levels unplayable. He was charging 60 bucks a cart I believe, even though the game is notoriously terrible and a free ROM hack online already fixed the glitch for anyone bored enough to play the final two levels. He managed to rope in the AVGN and Pat the NES Punk to advertise it to their subscribers on YouTube. Even just typing that out now, it sounds so implausible, yet it absolutely happened. cinemassacre.com/2012/08/12/cheetahmen-2-update/www.original-gamer.com/article/4033-Angry-Video-Game-Nerd-pulls-support-of-Cheetahmen-2-Kickstarter-UPDATEgbatemp.net/threads/cheetahmen-ii-kickstarter-scam.332484/
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Post by nach0king on Mar 8, 2019 9:42:14 GMT -5
Yeah salty, I'm not prepared anymore to lead it, and took the link away. I guess it will only be necessary if it remains unreleased in 2020, which is a the year the powers that be should release it. Sorry for the confusion. The link is still on page 1 of the thread. Just delete the entire GoFundMe if you don't want to lead it.
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Post by Mikie on Mar 8, 2019 11:48:09 GMT -5
Yeah, semms a little sketchy. Country music isnt my thing, so even if this is legit Id rather not get involved personally. Give me a call when they do an official, studio-quality release of the Paley sessions. Yeah, I agree with this, even though it's mostly Paley and has been booted for the most part. I'd spring for a release of that.
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Post by filledeplage on Mar 8, 2019 11:55:04 GMT -5
Let’s be honest - if a guy wanted to scam some people for money, using an incredibly obscure unreleased Brian Wilson production as a lure and posting on two Beach Boys fan message boards, faking interaction with Fred Vail, of all people, would have to one of the worst, most ineffectual methods I can think of. Even if I found out it was a scam, I would probably still give him money out of respect for him committing to such a wacky method. Aye, it’s definitely obscure! Just like to see some authenticity before stumping up. Many here will remember that obscure First Wave project that Brad Elliot received a not-insignificant number of dollars for. Nothing wrong with verification. As I posted earlier, I’d be up for this but I’d like to known it’s all being done properly - and, incidentally, that all legitimate avenues have already been explored. What’s BRI’s position on this? Has it already decided against involvement? Has anyone asked them? You know the meaning of "caveat emptor." Let the buyer beware.
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Post by John Manning on Mar 10, 2019 10:09:39 GMT -5
Fred Vail kindly got back to me; here's something of what he had to say: I've changed the order of paragraphs from message just to give it some context:
"Not sure who was trying to raise money on behalf of the project, and I did NOT authorize any one to do so. But there are a lot of VERY passionate BB/BW fans out there, so who knows."
"I have read someone's remarks regarding the 'crowd funding' idea, and I can see where there would be some skepticism, but in reality, that's about the only way I can see the album being taken to the next step.
"It needs to be transferred from 16 track 2" analog to Pro Tools, then needs to be tuned and mixed---and that is without any additional background overdubs or vocals.
"I don't recall doing any 'keeper' vocals, only rough ones recorded while we were putting down the tracks. It would obviously have to be mixed as well, even to get a rough idea of the potential of the album. So, to raise $5,000 to $6,500 for engineers, tuning, mixing, and transferring -- the first part of the process -- is not a great deal by today's standards, where it is not unusual for our clients--and that of other studios--to pay $8,000 to $17,500 for ONE completed track (i.e. song)."
He also kindly offered me a little context about his love of country music:
"I was always into 'country', although 50's rock and roll was my initial passion. Back in those days, there were virtually no full time country music stations as we have today. In fact, in the early 60's, when I was fortunate enough to get a summer vacation gig at an AM/FM radio station which was spinning off their FM into a country station--there were only about 80 full time country stations in the entire USA. Now, there are over 2,000. Since I was the midday DJ and PD, I met a few 'stars' of the day, and built a pretty good 45 RPM record collection to boot, although, when I started at the station, my brother and I had more records than the station did:)"
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