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Post by felipe on Apr 24, 2024 2:33:33 GMT -5
Three recordings come to my mind where Carl has a different vocal behaviour that sound like an A.I. pop singing Brian: "God Only Knows"(early take), "Good Vibrations"(early take) and Good Timin'(chorus). Double-tracked it sounds punchy and modern, contrasting with the delicate backing tracks for great effect.
What do you guys think about them? Why didn't Carl use it more?
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Post by Sam_BFC on Apr 24, 2024 10:34:29 GMT -5
Nothing else comes to mind straight away.
But I have an offering for something like Brian's Carl voice:
- "Canvass the town and brush the backdrop" Wild Honey era Surf's Up
We could also do this for Brian and Al. I Know There's An Answer?
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Post by AGD on Apr 24, 2024 10:55:06 GMT -5
Three recordings come to my mind where Carl has a different vocal behaviour that sound like an A.I. pop singing Brian: "God Only Knows"(early take), "Good Vibrations"(early take) and Good Timin'(chorus). Double-tracked it sounds punchy and modern, contrasting with the delicate backing tracks for great effect. What do you guys think about them? Why didn't Carl use it more? If you mean the early take of "GV" with Tony's lyrics... that is Brian. |
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Post by Mikie on Apr 24, 2024 11:10:42 GMT -5
Brian and Carl's and Al's voices sounded pretty close in the late 60's. They could mimic each other. The song "Breakaway" immediately comes to mind. And of course "Surf's Up" too where Brian, then Carl sang it.
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Post by WillJC on Apr 24, 2024 15:04:37 GMT -5
Three recordings come to my mind where Carl has a different vocal behaviour that sound like an A.I. pop singing Brian: "God Only Knows"(early take), "Good Vibrations"(early take) and Good Timin'(chorus). Double-tracked it sounds punchy and modern, contrasting with the delicate backing tracks for great effect. What do you guys think about them? Why didn't Carl use it more? If you mean the early take of "GV" with Tony's lyrics... that is Brian. It's Carl. |
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Post by AGD on Apr 24, 2024 17:34:17 GMT -5
If you mean the early take of "GV" with Tony's lyrics... that is Brian. It's Carl. Really? Colour me astonished. |
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Post by Mikie on Apr 24, 2024 17:44:29 GMT -5
Really? Colour me astonished. Me too. Since I first heard it on the ''Best Summers Of Our Lives' radio show in 1976, I've always thought that was Brian. |
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Post by AGD on Apr 25, 2024 0:11:27 GMT -5
Well, dammit, I just relistened (granted, probably for the first time since the Smile box came out)... and it is Carl. And the worst part? It's clearly Carl... no question. Thanks Will.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Apr 25, 2024 1:28:44 GMT -5
Then there's 'What'd I Say' live, it gets me everytime.
If only we had some footage of a young CW rockin' one out eh?
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Post by felipe on Apr 25, 2024 1:48:56 GMT -5
Nothing else comes to mind straight away. But I have an offering for something like Brian's Carl voice: - "Canvass the town and brush the backdrop" Wild Honey era Surf's Up We could also do this for Brian and Al. I Know There's An Answer? You're right... especially "drop". Brian and Al sound even more alike. For years I've believed the myth that the "children song" coda was sung by a "sped up barithone Brian", but it is cleary Al. A bit off-topic, but Brian's voice change has been exaggeratedly attributed to cigarettes when, already in 1967, he could no longer record a good lead. He tried to sing Wouldn't It Be Nice in Lei'd In Hawaii rehearsals and broke before the second verse. For me it has always been a tension/concentration thing. We could still hear glimpses of the Surfer Girl Brian in 1972's Won't You Tell Me, just because Carl loosened him up by singing along. There are also 80s interviews where his speaking voice is absolutely clean and young, but when he starts to sing Ozzy Osbourne enters the room. |
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Post by Micha on Apr 25, 2024 5:27:18 GMT -5
Then there's 'What'd I Say' live, it gets me everytime. If only we had some footage of a young CW rockin' one out eh? Yeah, that's great, too. For years I thought it was Al. And it still hasn't been officially released, has it? The early GV clearly points in Wild Honey direction. I'm sure had Brian not broken down during SMiLE, the next album would still have been something in the Wild Honey vein, albeit probably recorded in the old studios with outside musicians. |
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Apr 25, 2024 5:53:22 GMT -5
Then there's 'What'd I Say' live, it gets me everytime. If only we had some footage of a young CW rockin' one out eh? Yeah, that's great, too. For years I thought it was Al. And it still hasn't been officially released, has it?The early GV clearly points in Wild Honey direction. I'm sure had Brian not broken down during SMiLE, the next album would still have been something in the Wild Honey vein, albeit probably recorded in the old studios with outside musicians. It was released officially 'once'! in Australia on their 'Rarities' album in 1981. If you want to read more, check out Petsite's comments about it here, including 'What'd I Say'? endlessharmony.boards.net/thread/771/brian-wilson-beach-boys-rarities |
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Post by Awesoman on Apr 25, 2024 7:33:28 GMT -5
Brian and Carl's and Al's voices sounded pretty close in the late 60's. They could mimic each other. The song "Breakaway" immediately comes to mind. And of course "Surf's Up" too where Brian, then Carl sang it. Agreed, but Carl's voice and phrasing was always soft in general. I think towards the late 70's he started to develop more of a rock & roll voice on songs such as "Keepin' The Summer Alive" and his cover of Fogerty's "Rockin' All Over The World". His throaty performance of "Darlin'" during the Knebworth concert was memorable. |
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Post by gerry on Apr 25, 2024 9:49:48 GMT -5
Nothing else comes to mind straight away. But I have an offering for something like Brian's Carl voice: - "Canvass the town and brush the backdrop" Wild Honey era Surf's Up We could also do this for Brian and Al. I Know There's An Answer? You're right... especially "drop". Brian and Al sound even more alike. For years I've believed the myth that the "children song" coda was sung by a "sped up barithone Brian", but it is cleary Al. A bit off-topic, but Brian's voice change has been exaggeratedly attributed to cigarettes when, already in 1967, he could no longer record a good lead. He tried to sing Wouldn't It Be Nice in Lei'd In Hawaii rehearsals and broke before the second verse. For me it has always been a tension/concentration thing. We could still hear glimpses of the Surfer Girl Brian in 1972's Won't You Tell Me, just because Carl loosened him up by singing along. There are also 80s interviews where his speaking voice is absolutely clean and young, but when he starts to sing Ozzy Osbourne enters the room. Brian could no longer record a good lead? Get real: how about Awake, Heroes and Villains, We're Together Again, I went to Sleep, Busy Doin' Nothing, I'd love Just Once to See You. etc, etc. ,. Brian didn't start smoking until around 1974, and cocaine may have had as much to do with his voice problems as smokes. Regarding Hawaii, he may have faked that so he didn't have to sing it. Listen to his Surfer Girl vocal. We, the public, didn't hear Brian's voice change until '76. |
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Post by Mikie on Apr 25, 2024 10:01:16 GMT -5
You're right... especially "drop". Brian and Al sound even more alike. For years I've believed the myth that the "children song" coda was sung by a "sped up barithone Brian", but it is cleary Al. A bit off-topic, but Brian's voice change has been exaggeratedly attributed to cigarettes when, already in 1967, he could no longer record a good lead. He tried to sing Wouldn't It Be Nice in Lei'd In Hawaii rehearsals and broke before the second verse. For me it has always been a tension/concentration thing. We could still hear glimpses of the Surfer Girl Brian in 1972's Won't You Tell Me, just because Carl loosened him up by singing along. There are also 80s interviews where his speaking voice is absolutely clean and young, but when he starts to sing Ozzy Osbourne enters the room. We the public didn't hear it until '76, but I believe the transition from his 'old' to his 'new' voice started in mid-'75. The 'In The Back Of My Mind' demo is clear evidence of this. |
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Post by Micha on Apr 26, 2024 8:07:03 GMT -5
You're right... especially "drop". Brian and Al sound even more alike. For years I've believed the myth that the "children song" coda was sung by a "sped up barithone Brian", but it is cleary Al. A bit off-topic, but Brian's voice change has been exaggeratedly attributed to cigarettes when, already in 1967, he could no longer record a good lead. He tried to sing Wouldn't It Be Nice in Lei'd In Hawaii rehearsals and broke before the second verse. For me it has always been a tension/concentration thing. We could still hear glimpses of the Surfer Girl Brian in 1972's Won't You Tell Me, just because Carl loosened him up by singing along. There are also 80s interviews where his speaking voice is absolutely clean and young, but when he starts to sing Ozzy Osbourne enters the room. Brian could no longer record a good lead? Get real: how about Awake, Heroes and Villains, We're Together Again, I went to Sleep, Busy Doin' Nothing, I'd love Just Once to See You. etc, etc. ,. Brian didn't start smoking until around 1974, and cocaine may have had as much to do with his voice problems as smokes. Regarding Hawaii, he may have faked that so he didn't have to sing it. Listen to his Surfer Girl vocal. We, the public, didn't hear Brian's voice change until '76. He still did good leads, but then again on the bridge of "This Whole World" he sounds like he's singing with a beard on. |
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Post by Awesoman on Apr 26, 2024 9:11:24 GMT -5
We, the public, didn't hear Brian's voice change until '76 We the public didn't hear it until '76, but I believe the transition from his 'old' to his 'new' voice started in mid-'75. The 'In The Back Of My Mind' demo is clear evidence of this. I'd argue that Brian's voice started to change as early as after the whole 𝑆𝑀𝑖𝐿𝐸 debacle. He certainly could still sing well at that time but his voice started to sound slightly tinnier and perhaps less confident. Compare his flawless tenor vocals on "Wouldn’t It Be Nice" to even the content he was singing off the 𝐹𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑠 album and there does seem to be something of a (perhaps slight) change there in his vocals. |
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Post by gerry on Apr 26, 2024 9:13:09 GMT -5
We, the public, didn't hear Brian's voice change until '76 We the public didn't hear it until '76, but I believe the transition from his 'old' to his 'new' voice started in mid-'75. The 'In The Back Of My Mind' demo is clear evidence of this. you are correct sir and as you said the general public (except for probably AGD) didn't hear ITBOMM until the 2000's |
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Post by felipe on Apr 28, 2024 1:44:46 GMT -5
We don't notice as much when Brian was using falsetto, but his normal voice became weaker and very nasal in pretty much everything he recorded after that kinda goofy Heroes and Villains redone lead
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