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Post by bbfinfl on Feb 8, 2024 9:01:11 GMT -5
From Howie Edelson on the other board regarding delays or cancellation of sets: "Gotta say -- it's an incorrect assumption that anything was sidelined due to "sales" -- poor, or otherwise.
Trust me, there's PLENTY going on." Interesting!
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Post by Awesoman on Feb 8, 2024 9:25:41 GMT -5
From Howie Edelson on the other board regarding delays or cancellation of sets: "Gotta say -- it's an incorrect assumption that anything was sidelined due to "sales" -- poor, or otherwise. Trust me, there's PLENTY going on."Β Interesting!Β Glad to see Howie resurfacing and teasing future projects. There's a lot they could be focusing on including the inevitable π΄ππ’ππ‘/πΆβπππ material, perhaps an expanded πΌπ πΆππππππ‘ deluxe edition, and all the stuff surrounding both 15 π΅ππ ππππ and πΏππ£π πππ’. Perhaps we can get a copy of the excellent gospel version of "That Same Song"...? |
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Post by bessieboporbach on Feb 8, 2024 9:30:45 GMT -5
From Howie Edelson on the other board regarding delays or cancellation of sets: "Gotta say -- it's an incorrect assumption that anything was sidelined due to "sales" -- poor, or otherwise. Trust me, there's PLENTY going on." Interesting! I'm happy to see that. After Sail on Sailor my enthusiasm is a bit tempered, though. I'll lay down $200 for an exhaustive box set of 15 Big Ones/Love You/Adult Child stuff, easy. I'm just fascinated by that era and I love Love You. But I'm going to be more cautious about other stuff. I don't know how this enters into their calculus, but I'd probably be more inclined to buy 10 sets like Sunshine Tomorrow or Party Uncovered than 2 like Sail on Sailor. |
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Post by nts1drums on Feb 9, 2024 10:11:18 GMT -5
Personally Iβm still excited about any other upcoming sets but my only worry is that thereβs going to be a drop in quality somehow. Itβs pretty noticeable on Feel Flows and even more so with Sail On Sailor. I hope that changes before whatever the next set will be, because Iβll be quite frank the Let Us Go On This Way and Baby Blue remixes really have me worried.
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Post by lonelysummer on Feb 9, 2024 14:58:47 GMT -5
It we get an expanded Beach Boys In Concert, I will buy that.
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Post by longtime lurker on Feb 9, 2024 21:37:18 GMT -5
Personally Iβm still excited about any other upcoming sets but my only worry is that thereβs going to be a drop in quality somehow. Itβs pretty noticeable on Feel Flows and even more so with Sail On Sailor. I hope that changes before whatever the next set will be, because Iβll be quite frank the Let Us Go On This Way and Baby Blue remixes really have me worried. Sorry to say, your "hope" is for naught. The remixes on the last couple of BB archival sets are the way the next sets are going to sound, like it or leave it. You can complain until you're blue in the face...will have exactly zero effect. Best be glad these archival sets are being assembled and released AT ALL. I can enumerate many things that are FAR more worthy of being worried about than this. |
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Post by sailorwailer123 on Feb 10, 2024 5:37:05 GMT -5
Personally Iβm still excited about any other upcoming sets but my only worry is that thereβs going to be a drop in quality somehow. Itβs pretty noticeable on Feel Flows and even more so with Sail On Sailor. I hope that changes before whatever the next set will be, because Iβll be quite frank the Let Us Go On This Way and Baby Blue remixes really have me worried. Sorry to say, your "hope" is for naught.Β The remixes on the last couple of BB archival sets are the way the next sets are going to sound, like it or leave it.Β You can complain until you're blue in the face...will have exactly zero effect.Β Best be glad these archival sets are being assembled and released AT ALL. I can enumerate many things that are FAR more worthy of being worried about than this. Oh come onβ¦ I could enumerate the reasons why fans should be able to express evidence-based criticisms rationally and gently without them being trivialised, but I suspect it would fall on deaf ears, for precisely the same reasons as the people in charge of these sets arenβt listening. Having said that, itβs a tired old debate and going nowhere, so thereβs no point discussing it, i agree. |
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Post by sailorwailer123 on Feb 10, 2024 6:14:10 GMT -5
To clarify, the reasons for not hearing each other out are all too human, and not because theyβre being too obstinate or whatever as my previous post seemed to imply.
Also as a final note on this subject from me, if there were some gentle, civil discussions between some willing moderators here, a few board members such as those awarded the status of historians, and David Beard as a host (not least of all because he is wonderfully diplomatic) and Alan Boyd himself, then folks could direct and channel their passion/voice their ideas in a constructive and healthy way, and in a safe setting. I know David proposed this before, but now that it has finally all simmered down, surely itβs the perfect time for this? I know it would potentially result in great satisfaction from both parties with a shared love of and interest in the Beach Boys music, and would at least do some good and resolve some of the complication surrounding this.
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Post by AGD on Feb 10, 2024 6:19:30 GMT -5
If only it were that simple...
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Post by Al S on Feb 10, 2024 20:26:38 GMT -5
I'm hoping the next release is titled "Battle Hymn of The Republic", and is bookended by the full recording and any sessions of my proposed titular track. Ha ha, hee hee!!
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Post by petsite on Feb 10, 2024 23:01:34 GMT -5
I am old enough to remember when Ted Turner introduced colorized versions of old movies. He did this for 2 reasons. One was to renew interest (meaning $$$) in the movie and two, they could re-copyright the movie.
This remixing of Beach Boys and Beatles is said to be done to improve the quality of the recordings. Hell, on the Beatles tracks, they sent the guitars back out through speakers in the studio and re-recorded them like it was 1966 again. It's kind of strange actually. The output of groups is finite and it's like they are trying to make new music, or to feel as if they are taking part on the creation of these classic tunes.
I have no problem with stereo mixes of previous mono only tracks like the Pet Sounds boxes. But this remixing of stereo tracks hoping to make them more appealing to today's audience thus getting more $$$ for the record is really getting old. These are pieces of art. Not perfect, but we don't go back and add people to the backgrounds of movies or more objects onto paintings of the past.
As Orson Wells said, when hearing that Ted Turner was trying to colorize CITIZEN KANE back in the 1980s, "Keep Ted Turner and his goddamned Crayolas away from my movie."
We need that here.
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Post by Al S on Feb 11, 2024 0:56:29 GMT -5
I am old enough to remember when Ted Turner introduced colorized versions of old movies. He did this for 2 reasons. One was to renew interest (meaning $$$) in the movie and two, they could re-copyright the movie. This remixing of Beach Boys and Beatles is said to be done to improve the quality of the recordings. Hell, on the Beatles tracks, they sent the guitars back out through speakers in the studio and re-recorded them like it was 1966 again. It's kind of strange actually. The output of groups is finite and it's like they are trying to make new music, or to feel as if they are taking part on the creation of these classic tunes. I have no problem with stereo mixes of previous mono only tracks like the Pet Sounds boxes. But this remixing of stereo tracks hoping to make them more appealing to today's audience thus getting more $$$ for the record is really getting old. These are pieces of art. Not perfect, but we don't go back and add people to the backgrounds of movies or more objects onto paintings of the past. As Orson Wells said, when hearing that Ted Turner was trying to colorize CITIZEN KANE back in the 1980s, "Keep Ted Turner and his goddamned Crayolas away from my movie." We need that here. Except for Star Wars movies! As for the rest of your impassioned plea for sensible decisions by Record Companies, I'm with you, man - their current crimes are yet another new entry in the roll of dishonour: - Duophonic - Eqing out the low end - oil crisis vinyl - No-Noising for CDs - Dolby NR - Dolby 2 NR - Zombie mash-ups - brick-walling - 120 kbps (and many more for the kids at home to add) |
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Post by AGD on Feb 11, 2024 2:15:29 GMT -5
I am old enough to remember when Ted Turner introduced colorized versions of old movies. He did this for 2 reasons. One was to renew interest (meaning $$$) in the movie and two, they could re-copyright the movie. This remixing of Beach Boys and Beatles is said to be done to improve the quality of the recordings. Hell, on the Beatles tracks, they sent the guitars back out through speakers in the studio and re-recorded them like it was 1966 again. It's kind of strange actually. The output of groups is finite and it's like they are trying to make new music, or to feel as if they are taking part on the creation of these classic tunes. I have no problem with stereo mixes of previous mono only tracks like the Pet Sounds boxes. But this remixing of stereo tracks hoping to make them more appealing to today's audience thus getting more $$$ for the record is really getting old. These are pieces of art. Not perfect, but we don't go back and add people to the backgrounds of movies or more objects onto paintings of the past. As Orson Wells said, when hearing that Ted Turner was trying to colorize CITIZEN KANE back in the 1980s, "Keep Ted Turner and his goddamned Crayolas away from my movie."We need that here. I saw a test of that: the "packing cases" scene at the end. It was, to be polite, garish. Thing to remember is that lighting for monochrome and lighting for colour are two entirely different disciplines. |
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Post by petsite on Feb 11, 2024 2:47:39 GMT -5
I am old enough to remember when Ted Turner introduced colorized versions of old movies. He did this for 2 reasons. One was to renew interest (meaning $$$) in the movie and two, they could re-copyright the movie. This remixing of Beach Boys and Beatles is said to be done to improve the quality of the recordings. Hell, on the Beatles tracks, they sent the guitars back out through speakers in the studio and re-recorded them like it was 1966 again. It's kind of strange actually. The output of groups is finite and it's like they are trying to make new music, or to feel as if they are taking part on the creation of these classic tunes. I have no problem with stereo mixes of previous mono only tracks like the Pet Sounds boxes. But this remixing of stereo tracks hoping to make them more appealing to today's audience thus getting more $$$ for the record is really getting old. These are pieces of art. Not perfect, but we don't go back and add people to the backgrounds of movies or more objects onto paintings of the past. As Orson Wells said, when hearing that Ted Turner was trying to colorize CITIZEN KANE back in the 1980s, "Keep Ted Turner and his goddamned Crayolas away from my movie." We need that here. Except for Star Wars movies! As for the rest of your impassioned plea for sensible decisions by Record Companies, I'm with you, man - their current crimes are yet another new entry in the roll of dishonour: - Duophonic - Eqing out the low end - oil crisis vinyl - No-Noising for CDs - Dolby NR - Dolby 2 NR - Zombie mash-ups - brick-walling - 120 kbps (and many more for the kids at home to add) This is an old battle for me, as anyone who reads my posts knows. Sorry to retread this for the thousandth time, but record companies, with the exception of a very few people, are scumbags. They look at $$$$, think of their clients as just moneymakers, and laugh at the word art. It's just wrong the way they take care of the legacies they have been entrusted with. The 2008 FIRE is just the most egregious incident in a long history of incidents. |
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Post by bbfinfl on Feb 11, 2024 7:55:13 GMT -5
I'm thankful for all of the boxes and can't wait for more! Having been a huge fan since 1976, I'm well aware of the sound quality/remix/remaster issues- yes some have been horrible in years past (duophonic, etc.) We already have the original mixes and masters for the most part. The remasters on one of the boxes are still unlistenable- shrill, grating and will likely make dogs run away in terror. Remixes are just that- the sounds were actually produced by the musicians/band in the studio (unlike AI which is totally not The Beach Boys and is bogus). The new mixes of many tracks are sparkling, clear and brilliant to my ears, and are a massive improvement- I wish there were more. The most striking: Do You Wanna Dance on my Spirit of America vinyl sounds like this: Put your fave track on whatever sound system you have and crank it up. Then put silicone ear plugs in, and then external hearing protectors and listen. Then take that stuff off, and crank the newest version which totally rocks! Listen to the tracks (Trader?) on the last box- oh my- brilliant. I'm a serious amateur photographer and have recently rescanned many original Kodachrome slides and done new digital prints. The new prints are massively better than the original all analog prints- vastly more detailed and crisp. Same difference to me with the mixes- original source, just different and more detailed presentation. I'm in favor of whatever gets the best band in the world's music to as many people as possible-if remixes sell more product, great! We already have the original stuff, bring on the new!
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 11, 2024 8:18:39 GMT -5
I'm thankful for all of the boxes and can't wait for more! Having been a huge fan since 1976, I'm well aware of the sound quality/remix/remaster issues- yes some have been horrible in years past (duophonic, etc.) We already have the original mixes and masters for the most part. The remasters on one of the boxes are still unlistenable- shrill, grating and will likely make dogs run away in terror. Remixes are just that- the sounds were actually produced by the musicians/band in the studio (unlike AI which is totally not The Beach Boys and is bogus). The new mixes of many tracks are sparkling, clear and brilliant to my ears, and are a massive improvement- I wish there were more. The most striking: Do You Wanna Dance on my Spirit of America vinyl sounds like this: Put your fave track on whatever sound system you have and crank it up. Then put silicone ear plugs in, and then external hearing protectors and listen. Then take that stuff off, and crank the newest version which totally rocks! Listen to the tracks (Trader?) on the last box- oh my- brilliant. I'm a serious amateur photographer and have recently rescanned many original Kodachrome slides and done new digital prints. The new prints are massively better than the original all analog prints- vastly more detailed and crisp. Same difference to me with the mixes- original source, just different and more detailed presentation. I'm in favor of whatever gets the best band in the world's music to as many people as possible-if remixes sell more product, great! We already have the original stuff, bring on the new! While I would love to agree with your take on things, the last two boxsets just sit on the shelf collecting expensive dust. My ears tell me that they sound awful, and I like the 2000-2001 2-fers which are a tad on the bright side. Now, give me something new that sounds more along the lines of the stereo Wild Honey album, I will be a very happy camper. |
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Post by dauber on Feb 11, 2024 11:19:44 GMT -5
It we get an expanded Beach Boys In Concert, I will buy that. I'll tell ya...I would absolutely love a good quality vinyl version of the Thanksgiving '72 Carnegie shows (that is, without having to buy the entire SOS box). I really think that'd make a great RSD release. Yeah, I know some of it is manipulated (studio vocals flown in here and there, instrumental part of "Let the Wind Blow" flown in from In Concert, etc.) but man, it's really good listening. |
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Post by lonelysummer on Feb 11, 2024 15:45:20 GMT -5
It we get an expanded Beach Boys In Concert, I will buy that. I'll tell ya...I would absolutely love a good quality vinyl version of the Thanksgiving '72 Carnegie shows (that is, without having to buy the entire SOS box). I really think that'd make a great RSD release. Yeah, I know some of it is manipulated (studio vocals flown in here and there, instrumental part of "Let the Wind Blow" flown in from In Concert, etc.) but man, it's really good listening. I would buy that, too. Those deluxe box sets are out of my price range. |
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Feb 11, 2024 20:48:34 GMT -5
I'm thankful for all of the boxes and can't wait for more! Having been a huge fan since 1976, I'm well aware of the sound quality/remix/remaster issues- yes some have been horrible in years past (duophonic, etc.) We already have the original mixes and masters for the most part. The remasters on one of the boxes are still unlistenable- shrill, grating and will likely make dogs run away in terror. Remixes are just that- the sounds were actually produced by the musicians/band in the studio (unlike AI which is totally not The Beach Boys and is bogus). The new mixes of many tracks are sparkling, clear and brilliant to my ears, and are a massive improvement- I wish there were more. The most striking: Do You Wanna Dance on my Spirit of America vinyl sounds like this: Put your fave track on whatever sound system you have and crank it up. Then put silicone ear plugs in, and then external hearing protectors and listen. Then take that stuff off, and crank the newest version which totally rocks! Listen to the tracks (Trader?) on the last box- oh my- brilliant. I'm a serious amateur photographer and have recently rescanned many original Kodachrome slides and done new digital prints. The new prints are massively better than the original all analog prints- vastly more detailed and crisp. Same difference to me with the mixes- original source, just different and more detailed presentation. I'm in favor of whatever gets the best band in the world's music to as many people as possible-if remixes sell more product, great! We already have the original stuff, bring on the new! While I would love to agree with your take on things, the last two boxsets just sit on the shelf collecting expensive dust. My ears tell me that they sound awful, and I like the 2000-2001 2-fers which are a tad on the bright side. Now, give me something new that sounds more along the lines of the stereo Wild Honey album, I will be a very happy camper. Amen! Well, I'm still a rotten fan as I 'still' have not purchased the 'Sail On Sailor' set in any form, even as cheap as it is right now. This whole thing about separating the key from the lock bothers me enough to put me off. What I mean is, separating the sessionography/history from the box set! That's still the greatest WTCF? (What The Cluster Fuck?) is that all about? To me. The Sound? Well, we've beaten that horse to death so I'm not gonna do that again, but 'awful' at times it is, while some is 'stellar'. These sets are very difficult listening compared to the older releases we used to get. I don't recall ever listening to 'Good Vibes' box set, or the Pet Sounds box, Hawthorne,CA, Endless Harmony, Sunshine Tomorrow....etc and ever questioning the mastering or the mixing, I really enjoyed the music and the journey. These new sets I find I have to nit pick to get to the 'good stuff' because the quality is just not consistent anymore. It's disappointing. If this is the new way forward for their releases, I'm not excited as I should be for future releases. That's just how I feel right now... |
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