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Post by newbbfan on Jan 14, 2024 22:03:33 GMT -5
Is this commonly known and has it been discussed before? Someone sent me a link to the so-called only linked artwork for a proposed 1970s hanna Barbara Beach Boys cartoon show that looks a lot like scooby-doo.
Pardon me if this is old news to all you great scholars. Just didn't know how to process the information. Looks like something didn't get off the ground. I think it was 1976.
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Post by petsite on Jan 14, 2024 22:23:05 GMT -5
Can you post some of the images. I want to see if it's the one's I am thinking of.  |
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Post by newbbfan on Jan 15, 2024 0:29:16 GMT -5
Oh thank you so much pet site.
I do not have Twitter but someone sent to me those exact image with the caption that it was from an abandoned 1976 project and that these were the only remaining vestiges that ever leaked from the preliminary work to a show that never was actually created.
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Post by petsite on Jan 15, 2024 2:14:24 GMT -5
Oh thank you so much pet site. I do not have Twitter but someone sent to me those exact image with the caption that it was from an abandoned 1976 project and that these were the only remaining vestiges that ever leaked from the preliminary work to a show that never was actually created. You are welcome. |
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Post by petsite on Jan 15, 2024 2:25:00 GMT -5
Had to dig around my backups. This is a download from back in 2003.
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Post by jk on Jan 15, 2024 3:13:45 GMT -5
Had to dig around my backups. This is a download from back in 2003.
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Post by E on Jan 15, 2024 4:50:12 GMT -5
The 1970s? Talk about divorced from reality. It looks shit, but I'm sure it might have got the pre-teens into the band etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
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Post by alankard on Jan 15, 2024 19:59:47 GMT -5
I'll bet Hanna-Barbera wanted to recycle some Speed Buggy animation. As for reality...Mike in a cowboy hat? Reality doesn't just go out the window, it never enters the room.
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Post by dauber on Jan 17, 2024 20:46:45 GMT -5
Here's a pic that was also purported to be from an aborted Hanna-Barbera Beach Boys cartoon. Only thing is it looks nothing like the style of Hanna-Barbera. At all.
A couple of years ago I read Joe Barbera's memoir. At one point he listed a bunch of cartoons that were proposed but were never made, and there was zero mention of anything Beach Boys related. I wonder where this whole thing started.
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Post by beachmallow on Jan 17, 2024 23:32:31 GMT -5
Is this commonly known and has it been discussed before? Someone sent me a link to the so-called only linked artwork for a proposed 1970s hanna Barbara Beach Boys cartoon show that looks a lot like scooby-doo. Pardon me if this is old news to all you great scholars. Just didn't know how to process the information. Looks like something didn't get off the ground. I think it was 1976. I asked Warner Brothers, and this never made it past pre-production. They refused to release any surviving documents which they did confirm they retained. The talks are considered privileged. I asked Mike Love and Bruce Johnston about the cartoons directly, and Al’s team. None of them have further details about it. The Pantomime cartoon of 1970 was possibly retained, and Aaron Crippen, son of Fred Crippen, might have it. The OP was completed, which means an official Beach Boys theme song that no one has heard is still out there to be found. It is not known if the Saul Bass estate has anything. He hired Fred previously, and created the Hanna-Barbera logo, as well as designed the poster for Dennis Wilson’s two-lane blacktop. Just in case there was some Beatles link given the Yellow Submarine style artwork, I also interviewed Eddie Deezen, a voice actor, who is also a Beatles expert. He had no answers for me regarding this project either. Anyway, there is a third cartoon likely produced by some of the same animators that worked on Hulk Hogan’s Rock N’ Wrestling at DIC. Some of the specials were done by CBS/Columbia, and I think The Beach Boys might have been under contract around the time this was made, although the exact date is currently unknown. Sony, who got most of Columbia Pictures Television archives with some exceptions, denies any knowledge of this in their holdings. I think WildBrain has it, as DIC ended up being bought by Cookie Jar Entertainment, which ended up with WildBrain. I have not receive a response from them. Jeffrey Scott, a legend in children’s cartoons, said that he has never even heard of it. As a collector of animation cels, I swear there is other lost artwork, or maybe even a fourth cartoon showing them in their striped shirts. It was not the Chuck Jones print either. It was more like Rankin-Bass / Flintstones in style and coloration. It wasn’t quite Hanna-Barbera though. I wasn’t looking for any of this back then, and did not save it. I am down a whole rabbit hole with this, as I want to know how so many of the best in animation tried, yet the deals ultimately fell through. It seems likely the common factors were financial risk, rising production costs during the 1980’s, distribution, and marketing. I contacted Powerhouse Animation, and they are able to produce a new project. I want to create a Beach Boys cartoon, but Mike Love told no lies when he said that art requires commerce. I have secured financial backing for the production costs for an entire season. What I need is a team with the experience who can handle the other business aspects. Bruce said he didn’t care if I made a cartoon, and told me to go make an offer if I wanted to try. |
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Post by beachmallow on Jan 17, 2024 23:43:35 GMT -5
Here's a pic that was also purported to be from an aborted Hanna-Barbera Beach Boys cartoon. Only thing is it looks nothing like the style of Hanna-Barbera. At all.
A couple of years ago I read Joe Barbera's memoir. At one point he listed a bunch of cartoons that were proposed but were never made, and there was zero mention of anything Beach Boys related. I wonder where this whole thing started.
If you look at the color palette, elbows, and line art, this has to be a DIC project. There is an old joke saying that they stood for “Do It Cheap”, and some parts were hired out to obscure studios, even some abroad. That might be why we haven’t seen more of the animation cels turn up. DIC also landed in hot water for selling the original cels from the SatAM Sonic The Hedgehog cartoon, and possibly TOEI’s Sailor Moon. Some of those ended up auctioned on eBay, and Mandarake, but are technically illegal to own. Not all Sailor Moon cels, just a select few that the studio wanted to retain. As they can fetch thousands of dollars each, this was a big deal. It was also bad for their preservation, as the ink used on those works is prone to line fading. |
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Post by E on Jan 18, 2024 4:40:30 GMT -5
Here's a pic that was also purported to be from an aborted Hanna-Barbera Beach Boys cartoon. Only thing is it looks nothing like the style of Hanna-Barbera. At all.
A couple of years ago I read Joe Barbera's memoir. At one point he listed a bunch of cartoons that were proposed but were never made, and there was zero mention of anything Beach Boys related. I wonder where this whole thing started.
Looks more like the BB than the other one, though... Can you imagine... |
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Post by alankard on Jan 18, 2024 5:57:45 GMT -5
Yes! How about a mash-up of the Harlem Globetrotters with Josie and the Pussycats? Hanna-Barbera's Harlem GlobetrottersThe model sheet for the HGs, with each member's name below, resembles the BBs one with "karate" Dennis. Likely Mike would have been the Meadowlark/Alan Mayberry/Fred [from Scooby] character, voiced by Jerry Dexter if he was available. The Beach Boys "would travel somewhere in their buggy and get in adventures/conflicts that led to proposed sing-offs to settle the issue. To ensure the Beach Boys’ defeat, the villains would rig the contest to ensure that Our Team would lose; however, before the second half of the contest, the orangutan would always find a way to even the score." [paraphrased/substituted from link text] I had the Harlem Globetrotters lunchpail with that model sheet. Ah, well. I'd still die on a hill for Inside, Outside, Upside Down. |
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Post by E on Jan 18, 2024 9:36:36 GMT -5
Hilarious adventures on coke
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Post by Micha on Jan 23, 2024 15:48:58 GMT -5
Here's a pic that was also purported to be from an aborted Hanna-Barbera Beach Boys cartoon. Only thing is it looks nothing like the style of Hanna-Barbera. At all.
A couple of years ago I read Joe Barbera's memoir. At one point he listed a bunch of cartoons that were proposed but were never made, and there was zero mention of anything Beach Boys related. I wonder where this whole thing started.
Looks more like a Fleischer Studios cartoon. It's clearly has its roots in E.C.Segar's Popeye. |
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Post by Paul JB on Jan 23, 2024 19:46:01 GMT -5
I'll bet Hanna-Barbera wanted to recycle some Speed Buggy animation. As for reality...Mike in a cowboy hat? Reality doesn't just go out the window, it never enters the room. Mike wore a cowboy hat more than a few times around 1978/1980. There’s even a picture as such inside the LA album inner sleeve. |
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Post by beachmallow on Jan 24, 2024 14:15:12 GMT -5
Here's a pic that was also purported to be from an aborted Hanna-Barbera Beach Boys cartoon. Only thing is it looks nothing like the style of Hanna-Barbera. At all.
A couple of years ago I read Joe Barbera's memoir. At one point he listed a bunch of cartoons that were proposed but were never made, and there was zero mention of anything Beach Boys related. I wonder where this whole thing started.
Looks more like a Fleischer Studios cartoon. It's clearly has its roots in E.C.Segar's Popeye. Fleischer Studios was defunct in 1942. This cartoon can be conclusively dated to the mid-1980’s because of the location of the peg holes at the bottom of the cel, rather than the top. |
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Post by beachmallow on Jan 24, 2024 15:01:07 GMT -5
Beginning at 2:06, take a look at the title card, then compare the color palette, knobby knees, and elbows of Piper’s character to that of the Dennis Wilson character.
If I ever get the chance, I would like to ask Brenda Chapman what she might know about it. She was one of the key character designers on Hulk Hogan’s Rock ‘N’ Wrestling, and this looks like her work.
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Post by E on Jan 24, 2024 16:02:54 GMT -5
This would have given me nightmares!
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Post by Micha on Jan 24, 2024 16:52:29 GMT -5
Looks more like a Fleischer Studios cartoon. It's clearly has its roots in E.C.Segar's Popeye. Fleischer Studios was defunct in 1942. This cartoon can be conclusively dated to the mid-1980’s because of the location of the peg holes at the bottom of the cel, rather than the top. Of course it's not a Fleischer cartoon, I said it looks like one. I messed up my second sentence, though: It should have read "Its style clearly has its roots in E.C.Segar's Popeye." |
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Post by Emdeeh on Jan 24, 2024 20:14:07 GMT -5
The style is reminiscent of underground comix.
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Post by beachmallow on Jan 25, 2024 5:55:41 GMT -5
Fleischer Studios was defunct in 1942. This cartoon can be conclusively dated to the mid-1980’s because of the location of the peg holes at the bottom of the cel, rather than the top. Of course it's not a Fleischer cartoon, I said it looks like one. I messed up my second sentence, though: It should have read "Its style clearly has its roots in E.C.Segar's Popeye." I agree with you that it definitely has the influence, especially when it comes to the design of the eyes. |
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