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Post by filledeplage on Jan 11, 2024 10:27:41 GMT -5
No more “lame” than anything on Love You, in fact it may even have slightly more weight than that album’s lyrics… I must confess, I am fairly new to this forum, but the frequent belittling remarks and generally dismissive attitude toward Love You that I've seen here comes as a surprise. I thought it was generally considered a certain type of highlight for the band musically (I've certainly always considered it that), and the words are so unguardedly weird and starkly emotional that I can't imagine anyone finding fault with them. "That Same Song" is in a similar vein, like "Had to Phone Ya" in a way, but to me the effort to make a Big Statement About Music on "That Same Song" really falls on its face. It's kind of a repeat of "Add Some Music" but that song made more of an effort to connect the meaning to universal experiences and is much more touching as a result, to me anyway. "Do You Remember" is another comparable song but that one had a clearer sense of purpose -- it was trying to educate younger teen fans about the music that had inspired Brian and particularly Mike, and it did that in a fun and musically creative way. I certainly don't think "That Same Song" has any more to say than something like "Airplane" or "Johnny Carson." One thing's for sure, though: it's a hell of a lot better than "Slightly American Music." Brian's I Love Music/History of Music songs arguably just kept getting worse after the peak of "Add Some Music." "That Same Song" might have been a great single. It is the kind of song that could break the barrier of a small am radio speaker and possibly could have crossed-over to gospel music, because it is. "That Same Song" has plenty to say, because it's a prayer. Brian's lead is just great. |
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Post by Mikie on Jan 11, 2024 10:56:07 GMT -5
Looking at Bellagio 10452, I see that "That same Song" was recorded in April 1976 during the midst of recording songs for the "Pacific Ocean Blue" album at Brother Studio in Santa Monica. So the choir was already known to Dennis prior to bringing them in to record the River Song in July. That didn't ring any bells, so I checked: the version on 15BO was recorded October 1975. Possible overdubs in May next year. I mistakenly referred to the studio version of "That Same Song" instead of the live "It's OK" version shown above. I wanted to establish a timeline of when the choir was used on "That Same Song" and when they were used on "River Song" and "Pacific Ocean Blues". Per your timeline it looks like the filming of It's OK was in late June, possibly including the "That Same Song" segment(?), and the choir for River Song was recorded on July 10. The choir was used again for "Pacific Ocean Blues" in late September '76. There's a video clip somewhere showing Dennis in the booth at Brother watching the choir sing the background vocals. Very cool. |
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Post by Vale on Jan 11, 2024 11:07:28 GMT -5
That didn't ring any bells, so I checked: the version on 15BO was recorded October 1975. Possible overdubs in May next year. I mistakenly referred to the studio version of "That Same Song" instead of the live "It's OK" version shown above. I wanted to establish a timeline of when the choir was used on "That Same Song" and when they were used on "River Song" and "Pacific Ocean Blues". Per your timeline it looks like the filming of It's OK was in late June, possibly including the "That Same Song" segment(?), and the choir for River Song was recorded on July 10. The choir was used again for "Pacific Ocean Blues" in late September '76. There's a video clip somewhere showing Dennis in the booth at Brother watching the choir sing the background vocals. Very cool. Minute 5:40 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 11:16:38 GMT -5
I love Same Song. I love Brian's humor.I love how it falls apart and tries to 'regroup.' Did they edit the intro on to the end as a sort of band aid? One of the funniest things is how disco string stabs suddenly appear in the breakdown.
That would've been a Curt 'n Bruce touch on another record.
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Post by Mikie on Jan 11, 2024 11:50:22 GMT -5
I mistakenly referred to the studio version of "That Same Song" instead of the live "It's OK" version shown above. I wanted to establish a timeline of when the choir was used on "That Same Song" and when they were used on "River Song" and "Pacific Ocean Blues". Per your timeline it looks like the filming of It's OK was in late June, possibly including the "That Same Song" segment(?), and the choir for River Song was recorded on July 10. The choir was used again for "Pacific Ocean Blues" in late September '76. There's a video clip somewhere showing Dennis in the booth at Brother watching the choir sing the background vocals. Very cool. Minute 5:40 That's it, Vale! Thank you for that. Shoot, maybe I shoulda started a POB thread. Hope the OP isn't upset. |
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Post by Mikie on Jan 11, 2024 11:56:07 GMT -5
You know, "He Come Down" (with Brian on piano/keyboards and backing vocals) was influenced by gospel. Mike Love said, "On that one we're singing like a whole black church choir and it's a lot of fun." Then a few years later, with "That Same Song" they used a real black choir! I wonder who's idea it was to use/film a choir on that song.
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Post by daytona on Jan 11, 2024 13:06:39 GMT -5
I have always looked at Love You as the one off, edgy, rough sounding New Wave-ish type album. You could almost see this coming with some of the vocals on 15 Big Ones.Yes. In that way, it was a logical next step, although where could you go from there? As for Love You's New Wave connection, parts of it remind me of Lindsey Buckingham's New-Wavier contributions to Tusk: Well Dennis was dating Christine McVie at the time. |
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Post by daytona on Jan 11, 2024 13:09:57 GMT -5
That's it, Vale! Thank you for that. Shoot, maybe I shoulda started a POB thread. Hope the OP isn't upset. Nah, keep going. I’m surprised there isn’t a POB thread already, considering there’s a whole subforum for the solo albums I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 13:26:33 GMT -5
You know, "He Come Down".... Mike Love said, "On that one we're singing like a whole black church choir and it's a lot of fun." Then a few On CATP TM & Christianity were bros and shared an apartment. By the time 15BO rolled around, they had split up and each had their own studio.years later... Yes, on CATP, TM & Christianity were bros and shared a place. By the time 15BO rolled around they each had their own studio apartment. |
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Post by jk on Jan 12, 2024 5:12:44 GMT -5
I don't see anything new wave in Love You. Brian had been working with synthesizers for a a few years. What he was doing with them in LY was not that much of a departure from his previous work (bass lines, counter melodies). And his arrangements hadn't diverged all that much from how he normally worked. The most Love You sounding tracks on Love You were worked up by Brian and Earle Mankey. The big percussion sounds were an Earle feature. He liked liked big sounds and things that popped out at you in a mix. He was very influenced by Tony Visconti's approach to making things sound big - he specifically mentioned T-Rex to me and pointed out an example of how Tony got big sounding sounds. Earle also used muting (and/or soloing) (much like how hip hop producers would come to use it) as a tool for bringing sounds into relief and making them seem bigger than they actually are (think the short turnaround tom break in Let Us Go On This Way). Thanks for sharing, Steve, as always, and no way am I questioning what you say (much of which is way over my head) but I still see Love You's quirkiness as having something of the New Wave ethos, much as Wild Honey had the back-to-basics ethos of John Wesley Harding and much of the White Album. So in that respect (maybe in that respect only) I'd say it was a product of its time. |
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Post by ian on Jan 12, 2024 6:44:31 GMT -5
Love You was recorded in late 76 when Dennis was still with Karen L-Christine wasn’t in the picture for a few more years
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Post by daytona on Jan 12, 2024 12:34:06 GMT -5
Love You was recorded in late 76 when Dennis was still with Karen L-Christine wasn’t in the picture for a few more years I meant that since Dennis was dating Christine at the time of Tusk’s recording, maybe Lindsey had heard some of Love You and that influenced some of his own stuff. |
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Post by AGD on Jan 12, 2024 15:18:32 GMT -5
He would have heard it, he's a huge Beach Boys fan.
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Post by Awesoman on Jan 23, 2024 9:39:33 GMT -5
Can we all just appreciate how good this song is? It feels like one of the few actually passionate moments on 15BO, and Brian’s like, really into it; you can hear him smiling as he sings it. Also relevant is this stunning version: Here's hoping assuming hypothetically that a deluxe album or box set for 15 Big Ones is in the works that we get a recording of the gospel version of this song included with it. |
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Post by Micha on Jan 23, 2024 15:44:22 GMT -5
For a long time, I thought I was the only one who is... let's say dissatisfied with the overall sound of Love You. "That Same Song" sounds quite professional compared with Love You. It's enjoyable.
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Post by Paul JB on Jan 23, 2024 20:22:48 GMT -5
Both 15BO and LY have glaring production problems…..not the least of Brian getting too much time in the drivers seat when he didn’t want to be in the drivers seat. The video here from the tv special does make That Same Song a highlight…. There weren’t a lot of new songs on that special but this spot was one of them and it worked.
When I see threads like the one about when The Beach Boys should have called it quits I actually roll my eyes.,many people forget how HUGE the band was post Endless Summer. This was a prime time network tv special… is that done for has been’s? The problem was/is they could never get their crap together. 15BO sold fairly well (IIRC) but was overall a disappointment and LY went straight to the discount bin. A great album or two out of the gates post Endless Summer would have been the game changer certain folk stew over to this day. I’m not one of them because I think their story unfolded as it was meant to….in the sense that if certain things change others don’t happen. And plenty of good happened over all of these decades.
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