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Post by petsite on Jan 6, 2024 0:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by jk on Jan 6, 2024 8:59:33 GMT -5
Oooff. That's an unsettling read, to be sure.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 6, 2024 11:15:11 GMT -5
Landy's people looking for "the tapes." Brian's work product. Thanks for posting that, petsite.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 6, 2024 13:53:31 GMT -5
How many of those "finished songs?" ever came to the surface? Brian broke into a bit of "It's Just a Matter of Time" when I saw them in June 1979. Doubt it was finished though. Brian was just banging around on the piano as another song finished. Probably what he was thinking of during the song they were playing. lol... in between smokes. Mike joined in though, so he knew the song, and tried to engage Brian to keep going but he wouldn't.
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Post by jds on Jan 7, 2024 2:39:28 GMT -5
I suspected the implied references to Brian writing complete songs has always been deceptive, but especially so after the late 70s.
A lot of the unheard "songs," even going back to the late '60s bedroom-composing-and-playing-songs-only-Bruce-Johnson-heard period are probably more in the vein of the "Cocaine Sessions" tape. (Nothing to be discounted in terms of composition, but more outlines of pop songs than "songs" as such.) In this respect, the Love You demos are unique in that they're songs Brian felt compelled to present to the group, words and music composed from the ground up under his own power, in the closest to finished form. He didn't work that way before or since.
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Post by malibu on Jan 7, 2024 13:06:53 GMT -5
They should have fired him when he was in his 30's.
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Post by brian65 on Jan 7, 2024 15:28:33 GMT -5
Don't be a troll.... The band needed him when he was in his 30's. They wouldn't be a band without him.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Jan 7, 2024 16:08:56 GMT -5
They should have fired him when he was in his 30's. Unbelievable statement. And nasty of you to say that. Brian was a solo artist in the 1970s. We are lucky he shared what he did share with the group. 15 Big Ones is in my Top 10 Beach Boys albums.
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Post by malibu on Jan 7, 2024 16:31:20 GMT -5
Maybe if he was fired in his 30's and forced to clean up at that time, some of the misery and damage he suffered could have been avoided.
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Post by dauber on Jan 7, 2024 16:55:03 GMT -5
So...where's the first part of the article??? You got my curiosity up!
EDIT: Never mind! First page didn't show up for me at first; but a refresh loaded it.
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Post by jiggy22 on Jan 7, 2024 23:17:29 GMT -5
How many of those "finished songs?" ever came to the surface? Brian broke into a bit of "It's Just a Matter of Time" when I saw them in June 1979. Doubt it was finished though. Brian was just banging around on the piano as another song finished. Probably what he was thinking of during the song they were playing. lol... in between smokes. Mike joined in though, so he knew the song, and tried to engage Brian to keep going but he wouldn't. Those three songs are more than likely "It's Just a Matter of Time," "Male Ego," and "The Boogie's in Town." Brian cut demos of all three later in the year. What's got me more curious are the tapes that Carolyn hid away. Brian recorded A LOT of stuff throughout 1982 that is just flat out unaccounted for.
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Post by ian on Jan 8, 2024 17:19:09 GMT -5
Well….I think Brian tried to straighten up in 76-77 but to be fair-it’s pretty hard to get straight when most of the people around you are not and in that period even the usually reliable Carl was abusing so the odds were against Brian in the mid to late 70s.
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Post by Mopp on Jan 8, 2024 18:57:13 GMT -5
Well….I think Brian tried to straighten up in 76-77 but to be fair-it’s pretty hard to get straight when most of the people around you are not and in that period even the usually reliable Carl was abusing so the odds were against Brian in the mid to late 70s. Indeed. 1976/77 are a marked improvement compared to how he was in 74/75. It was just unfortunate that he slid back into his vices and habits. Frankly it's miraculous that Brian is still with us today.
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Post by Mikie on Jan 8, 2024 19:31:23 GMT -5
Well….I think Brian tried to straighten up in 76-77 but to be fair-it’s pretty hard to get straight when most of the people around you are not and in that period even the usually reliable Carl was abusing so the odds were against Brian in the mid to late 70s. Brian, Dennis, and Carl noticeably started descending in 1978. Carl bounced back quickly, Brian didn't start to recuperate until 1983 (after backsliding), and Dennis spiraled out of control until he eventually hit the water. And yes, we were lucky to have them as long as we did. 'Specially Brian. Some say Brian and Dennis started their initial declines soon after Murry's death in June, 1973. I say Brian was smoking pot and hash as early as 1964, doing acid as early as 1965/'66, and doing coke as early as 1968. Couple that with severe depression and he was on his way out the door until Landy came along in 1975. Dennis was drinking heavily and doing lines and smack well before Murry's death. So.......I'm not sure having unresolved issues with Murry at the time of his death and being bummed out after he died had much if anything to do with Brian's and Dennis' declines.
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Post by petsite on Jan 8, 2024 20:32:20 GMT -5
All three brothers were definitely a product of their environment. Murry was abusive as Buddy was to Murry. Hell, you read Mike Love's book, and while he defends his mother, she was extremely emotionally abusive with all of the quite berating she did of Mike. Mike was abusive to others. To put it bluntly, there was just a whole lot of F**KED UP-NESS in the Wilson/Love household.
I had a friend whose husband was a real ass. His kids started doing drugs. One day he was really calling them out. I finally said HEY CUT THEM A BREAK! WHY SHOULD I BOB? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IF YOU WERE MY FATHER, I WOULD WANT TO BE F**KED UP TOO.
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Post by Mikie on Jan 8, 2024 21:13:00 GMT -5
All three brothers were definitely a product of their environment. Murry was abusive as Buddy was to Murry. Hell, you read Mike Love's book, and while he defends his mother, she was extremely emotionally abusive with all of the quite berating she did of Mike. Mike was abusive to others. To put it bluntly, there was just a whole lot of F**KED UP-NESS in the Wilson/Love household. I had a friend whose husband was a real ass. His kids started doing drugs. One day he was really calling them out. I finally said HEY CUT THEM A BREAK! WHY SHOULD I BOB? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IF YOU WERE MY FATHER, I WOULD WANT TO BE F**KED UP TOO. It's all about the influences growing up. The parents are the primary influence. The family and piers are the secondary influences. Not everybody knows this but Audree drank like a fish just like Murry did. The addictions were handed down to the sons. Alcohol is in the gene pool. Murry's pipe tobacco and bad eating habits killed him prematurely at 55. Smoking killed Carl prematurely at 51. Dennis' drugging and drinking would have caused his liver and thyroid to give out eventually - he was doomed long before he drowned at 39. Brian - addicted on everything and anything, affected by it and lived to tell about it. Thank God for the Survivor! See what I did there? "Survivor"?
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Post by petsite on Jan 8, 2024 21:53:06 GMT -5
Dennis' autopsy report mentions advanced heart disease. He was destined to go like Murry.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jan 8, 2024 22:10:07 GMT -5
Not to mention, the guy probably rarely ate anything nutritious, let alone having 3 good meals a day. Walking about living on Vodka and Orange juice is not going to go well on the liver for too long. Smokin', partying, probably not sleeping well or at all.... Physically and mentally, a broken man. Not surprising his body and mind finally said 'No more'.
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Post by jds on Jan 9, 2024 0:36:29 GMT -5
All three brothers were definitely a product of their environment. Murry was abusive as Buddy was to Murry. I get bored with "trauma-myth" explanations for the Wilsons' personalities when the supposed trauma manifests itself in such different ways. Murry was abused so he became a successful machinery entrepreneur, moonlighting songwriter, and aggressive eccentric. Carl was abused so he became a quiet guitarist. Dennis was abused so he became a compulsive philanderer and could barely be relied on to hold a door open. Every distinct feature of Brian's personality is in some way a product of childhood abuse. Either Dennis or Brian got the worst of what was either medieval torture or rigorous cuffing depending on what point the writer's trying to make and whether or not the writer talked to Nick Venet. I think it was Timothy White who uncovered a much older relative of Brian's from the midwest who took to long periods bed-bound inactivity after a failed attempt at launching a flying machine. This is all to say that sometimes these things are just a question of nature and not nurture.
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Post by Mikie on Jan 9, 2024 1:21:37 GMT -5
All three brothers were definitely a product of their environment. Murry was abusive as Buddy was to Murry. I think it was Timothy White who uncovered a much older relative of Brian's from the midwest who took to long periods bed-bound inactivity after a failed attempt at launching a flying machine. This is all to say that sometimes these things are just a question of nature and not nurture. Murry hit the sack for days/weeks/months after he was fired. Brian hit the sack for a few years in the early 70's. Coincidence? Murry was an abuser. A physical and verbal abuser. It doesn't take a professional psychiatrist to figure out who his influencer was. Brian told Rolling Stone that Murry disciplined him by forcing him to defecate on a plate. Murry denied such reports when approached by Rolling Stone in 1971. According to Leaf, Murry later telephoned Brian and angrily demanded that he retract the story. Reportedly, Brian laughingly told his dad, 'I'll tell you what. Let's tell them that I shit in your ear, and you hit me in the head with a plate." And the jury is still out on whether Murry hit him in the ear or a neighborhood kid did it or he was born with 20% hearing.
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Post by petsite on Jan 9, 2024 2:00:32 GMT -5
And there was a story related that Buddy use to hit Murry with a pipe or other metal object which he never used against his own kids. He thought that made him better than his father. Here is a photo of Brian and Buddy in what was said was one of the few times Murry let Buddy come to see his grandson.
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Post by Mikie on Jan 9, 2024 2:34:27 GMT -5
And there was a story related that Buddy use to hit Murry with a pipe or other metal object which he never used against his own kids. He thought that made him better than his father. Here is a photo of Brian and Buddy in what was said was one of the few times Murry let Buddy come to see his grandson.
Dennis acted like and resembled Buddy more than anybody else.
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Post by Sam_BFC on Jan 9, 2024 7:50:55 GMT -5
When did Buddy die? Doesn't look very old in that pic.
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Not proud to ask, but curiosity has prevailed...any word from Carolyn since she was frozen out? Any photos of her and Brian?
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Post by AGD on Jan 9, 2024 8:45:55 GMT -5
Buddy died in 1981. He was 91.
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Post by beachmallow on Jan 11, 2024 11:31:52 GMT -5
Oooff. That's an unsettling read, to be sure. It only gets worse if you look up the author, Tom Brislin, and realize that guy teaches journalism at the University of Hawaii.
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