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Post by donnylang on Jan 23, 2019 1:04:48 GMT -5
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Post by Vale on Jan 23, 2019 1:11:39 GMT -5
I never saw the Caribou Ranch take sheet!
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Post by petsite on Jan 23, 2019 3:01:36 GMT -5
Lots of Dennis Tracks. Must be a JG listing.
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Post by jay on Jan 23, 2019 3:11:50 GMT -5
Seems to good to be true. So it most likely is.
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Post by jay on Jan 23, 2019 3:24:00 GMT -5
I'm not quite as meticulous as some others here are with recording dates, but it seems to me that several of the songs don't quit fit in with others.
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Post by AGD on Jan 23, 2019 8:55:49 GMT -5
Aside from the obvious, most of those titles were recorded elsewhere, that is not at Caribou.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 9:07:37 GMT -5
Maybe somebody "lifted" some stationary, including a tablet, and brought it from Caribou back to L.A. (or wherever)? Could the list be from 1978?
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Post by catbirdman on Jan 24, 2019 12:11:13 GMT -5
Where was this found? Where/how did it first appear online?
At first glance, it is a very strange list of songs - some covers, many Dennis-penned titles, some unfinished scraps from the past, some unknown.
It feels like whoever listed the tracks may have had them auditioned to him/her, but beyond that, he/she doesn't know too much about them. The most glaring "error" is that most of these are not Brian Wilson songs. However, note that the Dennis songs are all in the second half of the list, suggesting perhaps that the nature of the list changed after the initial header was scrawled on this pad. Perhaps the writer decided to widen the scope.
With that in mind, my best guess would be that it was a list put together by James Guercio as petsite suggests. It looks to be a list of songs waiting in the wings - "songs to work on" as it says. Not necessarily songs that were recorded! More a list of "if we have time, let's get to these." Anyone who has ever written songs knows you carry a stack of them in a mental suitcase for years, waiting for that day when it will click and you'll understand how to finish them, how to actualize them, waiting for the opportunity to produce and release them. And you often make lists like this. If you are working with a producer, said producer might extract such a list out of you (and the group). None of these songs had been released in 1975, and most of them were recorded over the next two years, so it does seem to fit the timeframe. Let's look closer:
A - Sea Cruise - a cover, recorded the very next year, 1976, so not surprising that it may have been on Brian's (or someone's) mental radar as a song of interest at that point B - Been Way Too Long - one of Brian's that was kicking around since 1967, and a perpetual candidate for many projects ever since at least through 1980. C - Sherry - one of Brian's started in 1965 and unfinished; would be recorded the next year, 1976, so not surprising that it may have been on the radar D - unknown, but could it possibly be the same as "Everybody Wants to Live", which was recorded 2 years later? E - unknown, so...unknown F - unknown - perhaps it could be the same track as Dennis' unfinished "I Don't Know" from 1967, or it's just a working placeholder title G/L - two Dennis songs not recorded until after POB. These are surprising...but to my earlier point, for songwriters that carry tons of songs around with them (and Dennis was quite prolific at this time), this would be not at all be unusual H - He's A Bum - first recorded in 1976 so not surprising it could have been written in 1975 I - unknown, at least to me J/K - Dennis songs released on POB. These two songs in my mind make a strong (conclusive?) case that this list cannot be later than 1977. M - This one is the weirdest inclusion. They recorded some Toys for Tots spots in December 1977, which might be irrelevant. I have no idea what to say about it beyond that.
It could also be possible that the list was made in 1976 after the release of 15 Big Ones, or in 1977 after the release of The Beach Boys Love You, for the purpose of OK, what do we work on next? But those scenarios I feel are pretty unlikely, because there are many more obvious candidates that could have been listed.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 24, 2019 13:44:11 GMT -5
"E" ("If Love Had Its Way") would be Dennis' Bambu song "Cocktails". "F" ("I Don't Know") is more likely the early 1977 DW "I Don't Know" (that is, part of "Love Remember Me", which was recorded under the working title of "I Don't Know"). And "D" ("I Want To Live") could be the other part of that, since that line is sung in that part of the song.
It's known that the Wilson brothers (at least Dennis and Carl, and maybe Brian too) spent some time at Caribou in early '78, apparently working on overdubs and/or rough mixes of songs like "Shortenin' Bread", "Angel Come Home", and "Wild Situation" - there's even a well-annotated Caribou Ranch track sheet for the last title. And Dennis went on record prior to the New Zealand/Australia tour as saying that his next solo album, as well as the group's next album (their first for the Caribou label), would be recorded there. Ordinarily, I would say that's when this list was generated - however, the inclusion of two POB songs is problematic - unless, maybe, they were going to remix that pair for a single release that never happened?
EDIT: the exact DW quote Alice shared in the BBFUN February '78 newsletter was: "I just talked to Dennis Wilson, and he informs me that, before the concert tour, the Beach Boys next album and also his own next solo album are going to finish being recorded at the Caribou Ranch."
However, the appearance of "Morning Christmas" and "Children's Toy Spot" on this list would seem to date it to the fall of '77. Still no idea what "Tribute" might be...maybe Dennis' planned tribute to Helen Keller? OR - maybe there was some thought toward doing an Elvis tribute, since he had recently passed away?
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Post by John Manning on Jan 24, 2019 15:28:29 GMT -5
Given the presence of other POB tracks on the list, could “Tribute” be Farewell My Friend, Dennis’ tribute to Otto Hinsche, Billy’s dad?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 16:06:57 GMT -5
Fascinating topic! If the list was generated in late 1977 or early 1978, then:
a) Why would Brian Wilson be asked to work on songs that were already released on POB? If those POB songs were at the beginning of the list, you could date the list to much earlier (pre-POB), and say that the other non-POB songs were ADDED LATER to the list. But the POB songs are near the BOTTOM of the list.
b) Why would Brian Wilson be working AT ALL on the POB songs? That was Dennis' "baby" and other than Brian giving maybe moral support, there is no evidence of Brian ever working on the POB songs.
c) Even though the "Toys For Tots" song was recorded in December 1977, there could've been earlier preparation/arranging done on that. I mean, it's possible. But "Morning Christmas" is definitely an M.I.U. song TITLE, and that wouldn't have been worked on until late 1977.
This one is crazy!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 16:27:49 GMT -5
The first thing I reacted to was the "3." under "BRIAN." Was there a 1. and a 2.?
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 24, 2019 22:38:51 GMT -5
Given the presence of other POB tracks on the list, could “Tribute” be Farewell My Friend, Dennis’ tribute to Otto Hinsche, Billy’s dad? Well, since that song had already been released under it's actual title by then (fall of '77), I would tend to think not.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 24, 2019 22:43:46 GMT -5
Fascinating topic! If the list was generated in late 1977 or early 1978, then:
a) Why would Brian Wilson be asked to work on songs that were already released on POB? If those POB songs were at the beginning of the list, you could date the list to much earlier (pre-POB), and say that the other non-POB songs were ADDED LATER to the list. But the POB songs are near the BOTTOM of the list.
b) Why would Brian Wilson be working AT ALL on the POB songs? That was Dennis' "baby" and other than Brian giving maybe moral support, there is no evidence of Brian ever working on the POB songs.
c) Even though the "Toys For Tots" song was recorded in December 1977, there could've been earlier preparation/arranging done on that. I mean, it's possible. But "Morning Christmas" is definitely an M.I.U. song TITLE, and that wouldn't have been worked on until late 1977.
This one is crazy!
My guess is that the list started as the third page of "Brian Wilson Songs To Work On", with pages 1 and 2 now missing. Then, after the first three titles (A, B, and C) were jotted down on this page, it was decided that several of Dennis' songs would also be worked on. This doesn't mean that Brian would've been involved with Dennis's songs, rather it implies a scenario where the Wilsons were at the ranch, and after working on Brian's songs with Brian, the engineering team would then be working with Dennis on his, and so they just added those to the existing list. And the two POB songs were planned remixes for a single release. That's about the only thing that makes sense to me!
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Post by lonesurf on Jan 26, 2019 10:58:33 GMT -5
Craig said: And the two POB songs were planned remixes for a single release. That's about the only thing that makes sense to me! Not sure that I knew that either of these POB songs were ever considered for a single. Which was to be the A side? Thanks.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 26, 2019 21:46:53 GMT -5
Craig said: And the two POB songs were planned remixes for a single release. That's about the only thing that makes sense to me! Not sure that I knew that either of these POB songs were ever considered for a single. Which was to be the A side? Thanks. I'm not saying they were...I'm just suggesting that as a possible explanation that fits the timeline.
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Post by lonesurf on Jan 26, 2019 22:49:59 GMT -5
Gotcha & thanks. Interesting to contemplate ...
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Post by Vale on Jan 31, 2019 8:53:03 GMT -5
What happened to the Caribou Ranch after the 1985 fire? The recording studio had closed but was the ranch rebuilt in some way?
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