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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 3:05:16 GMT -5
Dick Rising talked on Discord about what if Bruce decided to include all the outtakes from the vaults that were considered on KTSA. So I gave it a quick attempt. Here it is: I've been listening to it right now, and it somehow flows better than I expected. Also, I first put Some of Your Love after Do You Like Worms, and found it extremely noisy and jarring. I like Some of Your Love on its own, but right after a SMiLE outtake the slightness of the production is very evident. |
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Post by Al S on Dec 24, 2018 4:44:25 GMT -5
Radical thinking but the quality of the vintage material and vintage production rather exposes the “new” stuff as a train wreck where the bodies are rapidly gathering flies.
Or, when it comes to KTSA, I prefer my burger with a slice of cheddar cheese as opposed to crumbled Roquefort - if you catch my drift.
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Post by John Manning on Dec 24, 2018 5:03:55 GMT -5
Not sure the link’s right for us UK peeps.
I suspect I’m one of the few who has a soft spot for this album (cue swamp jokes… but you’re wrong!!).
Maybe because I first saw the BBs live in 1980 (Knebworth, for new viewers) and this was being reasonably heavily promoted then.
Santa Ann Winds was played live for the first time ever that night - they had to get a lyric sheet of memory serves. Some of Your Love rocked that night; the title track, to my ears, was one of the very best self-referential/nostalgic for the old days songs they did since Do It Again.
When Girls…, Sunshine and Endless Harmony will never figure in my top 100 BBs songs but a new studio album was always welcome.
Hadn’t realised or appreciated how much old material they’d considered until I read Wata’s playlist. If that had come to pass it’d’ve been more like a rarities album than a new studio work.
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Post by E on Dec 24, 2018 7:35:11 GMT -5
Radical thinking but the quality of the vintage material and vintage production rather exposes the “new” stuff as a train wreck where the bodies are rapidly gathering flies. Or, when it comes to KTSA, I prefer my burger with a slice of cheddar cheese as opposed to crumbled Roquefort - if you catch my drift. The older stuff, even though I'm not particularly partial to San Miguel (neither song nor rancid 'beer') or WGGT, just seems to highlight the weakness of most of the newer material, even though he's undoubtedly cherry picked the better songs from KTSA. Santa Ana Winds would have cut it on one of the early 70s albums, but I'm not sure the other new songs could have. Do You Like Worms always struck me as needing to belong with other Smile material whereas Surf's Up and Heroes and Villains could have a life of their own. The Lord's Prayer on this is just plain wrong. |
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Post by Mopp on Dec 24, 2018 9:54:59 GMT -5
I had no idea that DYLW was considered. Not too familiar with 80s stuff
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Post by petsite on Dec 25, 2018 13:16:12 GMT -5
Don't think the SMILE track DDYL was going to be part of KTSA. Neither was San Miguel. I know SM was remixed for MIU and was on TYOH, but don't think it was considered for KTSA. DDYL WAS considered for LA at the labels request, but that idea was dropped.
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Post by craigslowinski on Dec 25, 2018 15:41:35 GMT -5
Don't think the SMILE track DDYL was going to be part of KTSA. Neither was San Miguel. I know SM was remixed for MIU and was on TYOH, but don't think it was considered for KTSA. DDYL WAS considered for LA at the labels request, but that idea was dropped. You're right about "DYLW" being considered (at Guercio's behest) as album-opener for L.A. (Light) - Bruce, though, wanted Brian's approval first, which they obviously didn't get. "Can't Wait Too Long", on the other, was apparently considered for KTSA. And actually, according to Brad Elliott's book, "San Miguel" was indeed considered for KTSA, and I seem to recall reading the same in either BBFUN or ASM prior to the album's release. |
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Post by petsite on Dec 25, 2018 16:52:34 GMT -5
Don't think the SMILE track DDYL was going to be part of KTSA. Neither was San Miguel. I know SM was remixed for MIU and was on TYOH, but don't think it was considered for KTSA. DDYL WAS considered for LA at the labels request, but that idea was dropped. You're right about "DYLW" being considered (at Guercio's behest) as album-opener for L.A. (Light) - Bruce, though, wanted Brian's approval first, which they obviously didn't get. "Can't Wait Too Long", on the other, was apparently considered for KTSA. And actually, according to Brad Elliott's book, "San Miguel" was indeed considered for KTSA, and I seem to recall reading the same in either BBFUN or ASM prior to the album's release. Wow, did not know SAN MIGUEL was considered for KTSA. As I stated, I knew it was considered and remixed for MIU. Been Way Too Long was worked on. I want to hear the track for BOYS,GIRLS. That track sounds interesting. Brian apprently loved the tune. |
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Post by Al S on Dec 25, 2018 17:46:51 GMT -5
I wanna hear the allledgedly excellent Surfin’ Suzie.
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Post by jasonaustin on Dec 25, 2018 19:35:05 GMT -5
Don't think the SMILE track DDYL was going to be part of KTSA. Neither was San Miguel. I know SM was remixed for MIU and was on TYOH, but don't think it was considered for KTSA. DDYL WAS considered for LA at the labels request, but that idea was dropped. "Can't Wait Too Long", on the other, was apparently considered for KTSA. And actually, according to Brad Elliott's book, "San Miguel" was indeed considered for KTSA, and I seem to recall reading the same in either BBFUN or ASM prior to the album's release. Craig, do you have any idea if Bruce and the guys worked on "Worms" in '79? Any chance they might have cut a lead vocal? |
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Post by Wicked Lester on Dec 25, 2018 19:50:32 GMT -5
Thank god they scrapped the idea to load KTSA with all those old outtakes, they would not have worked in the context of a new album at all. If only When Girls Get Togther had been dropped too! It's such a dull, plodding song. They should have twisted Dennis' arm for something from the Bambu sessions instead.
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Post by craigslowinski on Dec 25, 2018 21:42:58 GMT -5
You're right about "DYLW" being considered (at Guercio's behest) as album-opener for L.A. (Light) - Bruce, though, wanted Brian's approval first, which they obviously didn't get. "Can't Wait Too Long", on the other, was apparently considered for KTSA. And actually, according to Brad Elliott's book, "San Miguel" was indeed considered for KTSA, and I seem to recall reading the same in either BBFUN or ASM prior to the album's release. Craig, do you have any idea if Bruce and the guys worked on "Worms" in '79? Any chance they might have cut a lead vocal? There is no evidence to that effect. |
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Post by craigslowinski on Dec 25, 2018 21:48:30 GMT -5
Thank god they scrapped the idea to load KTSA with all those old outtakes, they would not have worked in the context of a new album at all. If only When Girls Get Togther had been dropped too! It's such a dull, plodding song. They should have twisted Dennis' arm for something from the Bambu sessions instead. I actually think KTSA would've been stronger with "San Miguel" and one other song added to the existing ten track lineup...I mean, c'mon guys, give us twelve cuts - there's plenty of room on that platter! So, maybe another from the actual album sessions, such as "Surfer Suzie" or the also allegedly excellent "I'll Always Love You". I agree that "WGGT" plods, which means there are three fairly plodding songs closing the album out - so, I'd shuffle things a bit...not sure how, but DON'T end it with those three (granted, "Endless Harmony" would probably still need to be the album closer, but move the other two elsewhere, and maybe put "San Miguel" second to last). |
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Post by monolithic on Dec 26, 2018 4:11:50 GMT -5
I actually think the album could have benefited from fewer old songs rather than more of them.
It was never going to be a classic album, but cutting When Girls Get Together (which I don't actually dislike of itself) would have made it a more cohesive listen.
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Post by dustybooks on Dec 26, 2018 11:58:59 GMT -5
I’m kind of a cynic when it comes to this record, I disliked pretty much everything on it before I even knew WGGT was an older song, and it seeemd to fit in so well with the record’s haphazard nature that I was surprised when I learned that. (These days I do enjoy the two Carl songs; the title cut convinces me as a rocker, maybe the last time that happens; and ever since he died, Heartache is very poignant to me — he sings it so beautifully.) For what it’s worth, I was also pretty thrown by “Good Time” being an older song. Actually I’m still kind of thrown by that.
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Post by petsite on Dec 26, 2018 14:02:18 GMT -5
Thank god they scrapped the idea to load KTSA with all those old outtakes, they would not have worked in the context of a new album at all. If only When Girls Get Togther had been dropped too! It's such a dull, plodding song. They should have twisted Dennis' arm for something from the Bambu sessions instead. I actually think KTSA would've been stronger with "San Miguel" and one other song added to the existing ten track lineup...I mean, c'mon guys, give us twelve cuts - there's plenty of room on that platter! So, maybe another from the actual album sessions, such as "Surfer Suzie" or the also allegedly excellent "I'll Always Love You". I agree that "WGGT" plods, which means there are three fairly plodding songs closing the album out - so, I'd shuffle things a bit...not sure how, but DON'T end it with those three (granted, "Endless Harmony" would probably still need to be the album closer, but move the other two elsewhere, and maybe put "San Miguel" second to last). The fact that GOING TO THE BEACH was tossed off says a lot. Granted, Mike decided to hold it for the CALIFORNIA BEACH project, but if they had really wanted to have it on the LP, he would have given it over. Bruce said in an interview he didn't like short songs so maybe that is why GTTB and SURFER SUSIE didn't make it. So many tracks were worked on for KTSA that a better selection could have been put together. |
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Post by monolithic on Dec 26, 2018 19:16:41 GMT -5
I may well have posted this on the previous board, but as it no longer exists...
I find that KTSA is more listenable with the following running order:
1, Goin On
2, Keepin the Summer Alive
3, It's a Beautiful Day
4, Some of Your Love
5, Goin to the Beach
6, School Days (45 mix)
7, Santa Ana Winds
8, Sunshine
9, Oh Darlin
10, Endless Harmony
Not an artistic collection by any means, but including the fast-paced fun in the sun songs together helps it flow much better.
I didn't include Livin with a Heartache simply because it feels more like a Carl solo song (the other original Beach Boys not appearing I believe) and doesn't fit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 0:10:56 GMT -5
This thread inspired me to start a new thread!
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