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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 23:01:00 GMT -5
My first "favorite" Queen song back in 1973:
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Post by kds on Feb 21, 2019 8:10:17 GMT -5
My first "favorite" Queen song back in 1973:
Live at the Rainbow is my all time favorite Queen live document. It doesn't hurt that the setlist includes a healthy dose of those first two incredible albums. To be honest, if the current Q+AL live version of the band played more of that material, I'd probably be more willing to make the drive to see them this summer.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 21, 2019 19:04:52 GMT -5
Zzzz. My summary of this article: we know biopics ignore details and facts for mainstream appeal, but this movie can't be good because it didn't deep-dive into colonialism or realistic depictions of bisexual debauchery. Yes, I think that fans REALLY needed to be lectured about the British in India and to see Freddie doing ... things we don't discuss in polite company. That is what the average movie-goer wanted to see. In fact, why not aim for an NC-17 or X rating? Sure it would hurt box office receipts because nobody would show it (or really want to see it), but at least it would be authentic and so fucking woke, right?
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Post by kds on Feb 24, 2019 10:22:14 GMT -5
Going back to the subject of the Freddie Tribute Concert, I think its sad Robert Plant has blocked his performance of Innuendo from every official release. Especially since its the only live performance of the great song.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 24, 2019 10:59:28 GMT -5
Going back to the subject of the Freddie Tribute Concert, I think its sad Robert Plant has blocked his performance of Innuendo from every official release. Especially since its the only live performance of the great song. Wow, I'm not sure I knew either that he was blocking it, or that it was the only ever live performance of the song (though the latter makes sense, I guess).
Somewhere in some box I have a VHS tape that includes the show, recorded off MTV the day it aired, including that performance. But certainly the official releases should include it, too. Can't say I've watched it in decades, but I almost want to check it out again now just to pick at why he might be so opposed to it. I recall it was blended in with Kashmir to some extent. It wasn't the whole song, was it? Now I'm curious. I'll return after checking into YouTube.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 24, 2019 11:02:27 GMT -5
Oooof now I'm remembering it (as I'm about two minutes into the video). He really did fumble a few times. But still ... get over it, Rob, you'll be fine! (The legacy is safe, as I believe I've heard.)
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Post by kds on Feb 24, 2019 11:05:19 GMT -5
Going back to the subject of the Freddie Tribute Concert, I think its sad Robert Plant has blocked his performance of Innuendo from every official release. Especially since its the only live performance of the great song. Wow, I'm not sure I knew either that he was blocking it, or that it was the only ever live performance of the song (though the latter makes sense, I guess).
Somewhere in some box I have a VHS tape that includes the show, recorded off MTV the day it aired, including that performance. But certainly the official releases should include it, too. Can't say I've watched it in decades, but I almost want to check it out again now just to pick at why he might be so opposed to it. I recall it was blended in with Kashmir to some extent. It wasn't the whole song, was it? Now I'm curious. I'll return after checking into YouTube.
Plant seemed to stumble over the lyrics to Innuendo a little bit, but I dont think its a bad performance, definitely not bad enough to leave it off the official release. I got a new copy when it was released on BluRay a few years ago, as it did include some stuff left off the official VHS release, like Tony Iommi and Brian May playing the riff to Heaven and Hell and Zucchero's performance of Las Palabras De Amour. Though, the Gary Cherone / Nuno Bettencourt performance of Love of My Life and More Than Words was still absent.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 24, 2019 11:09:51 GMT -5
After watching it, I think Plant wasn't sufficiently familiar with the song. He was hesitant several times, whether for the "oohs" before verses, or the lyrics in several spots (some of which he flubs, others he kind of takes freedoms with), or where to make his entrances. (At one point he comes in a measure early and the band has to change on the fly to match him.) And even Roger has one noticeable mistake where he misses a hit early on in the Spanish guitar part.
It isn't good, especially by Queen's or Plant's standards. But just as a historical document long after either act is really in any reputational danger? Let it go, let it be seen (officially).
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Post by kds on Feb 24, 2019 11:16:35 GMT -5
After watching it, I think Plant wasn't sufficiently familiar with the song. He was hesitant several times, whether for the "oohs" before verses, or the lyrics in several spots (some of which he flubs, others he kind of takes freedoms with), or where to make his entrances. (At one point he comes in a measure early and the band has to change on the fly to match him.) And even Roger has one noticeable mistake where he misses a hit early on in the Spanish guitar part.
It isn't good, especially by Queen's or Plant's standards. But just as a historical document long after either act is really in any reputational danger? Let it go, let it be seen (officially).
Maybe they'll do a 30th anniversary re-re-re release with the complete show one day. Plant has always been very protective of the mystique that sounds him and Zeppelin, which is one of the reasons he never committed to a full on reunion tour. But, it seemed really petty to block a one off performance of that nature.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 24, 2019 11:32:18 GMT -5
And I don't blame him--or any artist--for showing a certain amount of caution. I know music fans don't like to think about brand management, either because a) they just can't acknowledge the business as a legitimate side of things (preferring to believe in the "magic" of music); or b) they're completist types who want every snippet available, including--especially--blunders.
But that seems like a less essential activity for someone at the point Plant has (long-since) reached. I guess it is his right, but it seems overcautious of him to me.
(The Zeppelin thing, I can actually respect and appreciate.)
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Post by kds on Feb 25, 2019 8:26:38 GMT -5
And I don't blame him--or any artist--for showing a certain amount of caution. I know music fans don't like to think about brand management, either because a) they just can't acknowledge the business as a legitimate side of things (preferring to believe in the "magic" of music); or b) they're completist types who want every snippet available, including--especially--blunders.
But that seems like a less essential activity for someone at the point Plant has (long-since) reached. I guess it is his right, but it seems overcautious of him to me.
(The Zeppelin thing, I can actually respect and appreciate.)
I'm torn on Plant's decision to not do a full on LZ tour. On one hand, I get that he knows he can't hit the notes like he used to, and would rather not live in the past. But, on the other, more selfish hand, I've never seen Zeppelin in concert, and would've loved it if they did a full tour. I'm thankful that Brian May and Roger Taylor have a touring version of Queen for people like me who weren't lucky enough to have seen them the first time around.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 25, 2019 8:31:34 GMT -5
Just watched Queen’s performance with Lambert from last night. They were fine, but it was a reminder how stupid celebrities and rich people look in the rock environment, awkwardly clapping out of time and trying not to ruffle their frilly feathered dresses or collars or whatever.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 25, 2019 8:47:39 GMT -5
Just watched Queen’s performance with Lambert from last night. They were fine, but it was a reminder how stupid celebrities and rich people look in the rock environment, awkwardly clapping out of time and trying not to ruffle their frilly feathered dresses or collars or whatever. Just saw the In Memoriam section - I watched about half of the whole program - but wondered what the criteria was for inclusion in that section. I was surprised that Peter Tork was not added in. The Monkees did release a movie in 1968. Peter was first-billed on imdb.
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Post by kds on Feb 25, 2019 8:52:13 GMT -5
Just watched Queen’s performance with Lambert from last night. They were fine, but it was a reminder how stupid celebrities and rich people look in the rock environment, awkwardly clapping out of time and trying not to ruffle their frilly feathered dresses or collars or whatever. I haven't watched it yet. The most awkward rock performance I remember was when Motley Crue reunited for the (I think) American Music Awards back in 1997. The stuffed shirts in the crowd had no idea how to react to that.
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Post by kds on Feb 25, 2019 9:21:46 GMT -5
Speaking of the Oscars, apparently Bohemian Rhapsody won four last night, including Rami Malek for best actor. I still think he was very wooden when he had to actually deliver dialog, so I can only assume the praise is mostly due to how well he channeled concert Freddie.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 25, 2019 9:27:57 GMT -5
Speaking of the Oscars, apparently Bohemian Rhapsody won four last night, including Rami Malek for best actor. I still think he was very wooden when he had to actually deliver dialog, so I can only assume the praise is mostly due to how well he channeled concert Freddie. Probably nervous as all get-out in front of all those actors.
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Post by kds on Feb 25, 2019 9:34:56 GMT -5
Speaking of the Oscars, apparently Bohemian Rhapsody won four last night, including Rami Malek for best actor. I still think he was very wooden when he had to actually deliver dialog, so I can only assume the praise is mostly due to how well he channeled concert Freddie. Probably nervous as all get-out in front of all those actors. I was referring to his performance in the movie, not last night.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 25, 2019 9:44:45 GMT -5
Probably nervous as all get-out in front of all those actors. I was referring to his performance in the movie, not last night. It was last night.
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Post by kds on Feb 25, 2019 9:49:32 GMT -5
I was referring to his performance in the movie, not last night. It was last night. I know the Oscars were last night, but that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about how I think Rami Malek's performance in the movie wasn't very good, except for the in concert scenes.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 26, 2019 8:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by kds on Feb 26, 2019 8:34:27 GMT -5
I saw Brian May share something about this doc on Facebook. Perhaps if it were a documentary about Queen's existence post Freddie's death, starting with the tribute concert and going into things like the impact of Wayne's World helping change the attitude about Queen in the US, the making of the Made in Heaven album, the years with Paul Rodgers and Adam Lambert, it would be more intriguing. But, a full 90 minutes just on Q+AL? Eh, probably not.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 26, 2019 8:52:24 GMT -5
That’s almost exactly what I was thinking.
I realize they’ve been successful on the road performing the back catalog, but let’s be serious here: the world isn’t clamoring to know more about Q+AL. We know what we need to know. Aging rockers want to keep touring; AL is younger option who has vocal range and campy style to pull off reasonable versions of the songs. Profits ensue. There, that’s your doc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 8:53:49 GMT -5
Speaking of post-Freddie's death, time marches on doesn't it?
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 26, 2019 8:57:50 GMT -5
As Freddie sang, “time waits for nobody.” I just hope I’m never sufficiently cared about that someone will think to compare pics of me across the decades!
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Post by kds on Feb 26, 2019 8:59:15 GMT -5
That’s almost exactly what I was thinking. I realize they’ve been successful on the road performing the back catalog, but let’s be serious here: the world isn’t clamoring to know more about Q+AL. We know what we need to know. Aging rockers want to keep touring; AL is younger option who has vocal range and campy style to pull off reasonable versions of the songs. Profits ensue. There, that’s your doc. Right, I don't know how they'll flesh that out over 90 minutes. As much of a Queen geek as I am, I'll likely skip it. What I'd really like to see if for Queen to release more archival stuff. There are a few widely bootlegged concerts that have yet to get a legit release. They've already released what is, to me anyway, the holy grail of their live material - the 1974 Rainbow concert, but some of their late 70s concerts would be awesome.
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