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Post by Rick Bartlett on Apr 24, 2023 17:29:45 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me, and getting older, how quickly time is going by, so I've had time to reminisce. It's almost May 2023, and almost a few months short of Brian's last show to date. Currently, that's 7/26/22, Pine Knob Music Theatre. Here is the introduction and a finale from 'Al' pretty much stating the fact.
I'm sad seeing my heroes slowly get old and almost disappear right in front of my eyes, and all the while, I'm happy knowing Brian has had a full life and to see a man, who is human after all! Brian has always been my 'Elvis'! if that makes any sense. It's also a little sad to see a half empty crowd, when in time, people will be screaming out in fury wishing they were there to see the big fella with their own eyes. Brian's performance 'chops' are behind him, but there's still a little magic about this man that has always been a part of the myth, the legend and the fact. It also shows what time can do to a person, and how short our lives really are. It only seems like yesterday seeing Brian regain his career back in the mid 90's, recording, becoming productive, and touring! You could not have bet money on it the work load he was about to embark upon over the next 20 years! It's a miracle if there was one. While his live shows were not all magical, some were just that, and a little more if you were lucky on one of those nights! I'm glad I got to see a few of those and they have become some of my favorite memories.
Seeing this last show, I see an old fella who is tired, but so very proud of what he has accomplished. Also if this is the last one, it's nice his pal Al was there right til the end and helping his old friend out. Brian has had a huge impact on my life and I love this man. Feeling a little sentimental at the moment and just reflecting.... I'm gonna miss this guy one of these days...
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Post by patsy6 on Apr 24, 2023 18:31:36 GMT -5
Well said!
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Post by AGD on Apr 25, 2023 0:54:42 GMT -5
Was at the first performance of BWPS, but my all-time favourite BW gig was the 2007 premiere of TLOS. That was 100% magic, front to back.
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Post by lonelysummer on Apr 25, 2023 1:29:49 GMT -5
Well, it's happening to all of us. In my prime, I was going out to probably one concert a month (sometimes more). Now I look at the lists of upcoming shows, and most of the bands I've never heard of; and others are just charging far too much for someone on a limited income (me). Yeah, it's a combination of seeing ticket prices soar, and fewer acts out there that I am interested in. I remember thinking back in 2013 that $50 was a lot to see Michael Nesmith (and for an additional $50, I could have done the meet and greet), but he was not a touring animal, so I paid the money and took my chance. I'm glad I did. And now he's gone. I saw all four Monkees individually, and Micky, Davy and Peter together twice. Now Micky is the only one left, and I have no interest in seeing him perform as The Monkee. I love the Beatles, but Macca charges way too much for his shows, and his voice is gone. Ringo still looks and sounds great, but I have no interest in his current All Starrs. Is it really worth coughing up $80 to see Ringo sing a few songs, and back up other guys on their hits? I doubt Ray or Dave Davies will ever tour again; so for me, that leaves Bob Dylan and John Fogerty. And Mike and Bruce. Yeah, it's depressing. I grew up loving the rock and roll of the 50's 60's 70's, but always assumed other acts would come along that I would grow to love just as much as those oldsters. Well, occasionally someone would come along...and then they'd disappear. The last show I went to was a little known acoustic performer who goes as Hamell on Trial. The only reason we get to see him out here is my friend knows him and pays his way. Let's him stay at his house and everything. A good size crowd for Hamell is 50 people.
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Post by andrewhickey on Apr 25, 2023 8:07:10 GMT -5
Well, it's happening to all of us. In my prime, I was going out to probably one concert a month (sometimes more). Now I look at the lists of upcoming shows, and most of the bands I've never heard of; and others are just charging far too much for someone on a limited income (me). Yeah, it's a combination of seeing ticket prices soar, and fewer acts out there that I am interested in. I remember thinking back in 2013 that $50 was a lot to see Michael Nesmith (and for an additional $50, I could have done the meet and greet), but he was not a touring animal, so I paid the money and took my chance. I'm glad I did. And now he's gone. I saw all four Monkees individually, and Micky, Davy and Peter together twice. Now Micky is the only one left, and I have no interest in seeing him perform as The Monkee. Drifting from the topic a bit but on the cruise last year Micky's solo performance was quite, quite magical. I booked to go on it partly of course to see Mike & Bruce's band, and partly to see the Temptations (who were better than I expected) but mostly because I thought it would be the last chance to see Nez as a Monkee (I'd seen him solo in 2012) but of course he died between buying a ticket and setting sail. But Micky's "celebrates the Monkees" show was worlds better than the solo show I'd seen him do in 2016, and his new keyboard player and lead guitarist had very much the same energy and attitude about them that Darian and Nicky had when they started performing with Brian. Go if you can.
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Post by Awesoman on Apr 25, 2023 8:14:38 GMT -5
As a guy at the tail end of Generation X, rather than embracing most "modern" music growing up which included alt-rock and hip hop, my musical tastes always gravitated towards older music my parents grew up with. It's hard to watch my heroes such as the Beach Boys, Paul McCartney and others grow old and eventually fade out entirely from recording and performing as they are the music I primarily followed through the years. It's nice that at least Paul Simon and apparently the Rolling Stones have at least one more new album each in the works but it doesn't appear we're going to be receiving much else after that. It has forced me to engage younger artists and embrace more modern music but it just ain't the same.
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Post by jk on Apr 25, 2023 8:26:34 GMT -5
As a guy at the tail end of Generation X, rather than embracing most "modern" music growing up which included alt-rock and hip hop, my musical tastes always gravitated towards older music my parents grew up with. It's hard to watch my heroes such as the Beach Boys, Paul McCartney and others grow old and eventually fade out entirely from recording and performing as they are the music I primarily followed through the years. It's nice that at least Paul Simon and apparently the Rolling Stones have at least one more new album each in the works but it doesn't appear we're going to be receiving much else after that. It has forced me to engage younger artists and embrace more modern music but it just ain't the same. You could always give "classical" music a try. Masses of variety there and the time/age factor doesn't figure at all. Just a thought (he said, making a dash for the door).
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Post by Awesoman on Apr 25, 2023 8:54:47 GMT -5
As a guy at the tail end of Generation X, rather than embracing most "modern" music growing up which included alt-rock and hip hop, my musical tastes always gravitated towards older music my parents grew up with. It's hard to watch my heroes such as the Beach Boys, Paul McCartney and others grow old and eventually fade out entirely from recording and performing as they are the music I primarily followed through the years. It's nice that at least Paul Simon and apparently the Rolling Stones have at least one more new album each in the works but it doesn't appear we're going to be receiving much else after that. It has forced me to engage younger artists and embrace more modern music but it just ain't the same. You could always give "classical" music a try. Masses of variety there and the time/age factor doesn't figure at all. Just a thought (he said, making a dash for the door). Agreed and I do listen to some classical. Not to mention some jazz as well. But I'm talking about artists I can follow who currently make music and perform.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Apr 25, 2023 9:25:28 GMT -5
As a guy at the tail end of Generation X, rather than embracing most "modern" music growing up which included alt-rock and hip hop, my musical tastes always gravitated towards older music my parents grew up with. It's hard to watch my heroes such as the Beach Boys, Paul McCartney and others grow old and eventually fade out entirely from recording and performing as they are the music I primarily followed through the years. It's nice that at least Paul Simon and apparently the Rolling Stones have at least one more new album each in the works but it doesn't appear we're going to be receiving much else after that. It has forced me to engage younger artists and embrace more modern music but it just ain't the same. You could always give "classical" music a try. Masses of variety there and the time/age factor doesn't figure at all. Just a thought (he said, making a dash for the door). Absolutely. Interestingly, the Beach Boys were my 'gateway drug' to so many genres I wouldn't have otherwise considered as a young gen x-er in my late teens. Smile alone turned me onto baroque, jazz and exotica. Not to mention my utter love of barbershop quartets. I owe my eclectic tastes 100% to the Beach Boys. As one of the Gibb brothers put it, they were 'great teachers in the field'
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Post by ironhorseapples on Apr 25, 2023 9:40:50 GMT -5
And just to reiterate what Rick and other posters have said, it is very bittersweet watching that footage. So happy for the unexpected 25 year coda to his career, but boy is it heart-breaking to watch him traverse the stage on that walker. Watching your heroes get old is really painful.
Thank you big guy, for all the joy you've given me.
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Post by newbbfan on Apr 25, 2023 10:24:19 GMT -5
Trying to make out what Al was saying there as an introduction; was it simply a reference that this was the last show of the tour, or do you think there was a resonance there of a greater sense that the last time the two would appear on stage together ever?
I guess there was an ambiguity there that's all the more poignant and maybe Al did say something a bit later on about likely not going out with Brian again on tour or something like that?
In any case this was not the planned and definitive final show, right? Were there shows that were canceled after this? I'm just trying to get a sense of whether this was billed ,advertised , and promoted as the final show, or whether, now, since Brian seems to have retired that this would wind up feeling the slot of the final show. Just trying to determine whether I missed some critical information there.
But what Rick says and what everyone says on the emotional level is nonetheless, whatever unfolds, completely true and completely poignant. And if it's the last show, I believe-- unless I'm not distinguishing the voices correctly-- Brian sang both verses of California Girls on key in tune in perfectly accurately, and under the circumstances sounded just fine to me. What a warrior for music.
Our history becomes a history of firsts and lasts more quickly than we would like to acknowledge.
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Post by AGD on Apr 25, 2023 12:44:31 GMT -5
That was, as Alan clearly says, the final show of the joint tour with Chicago (joint... yeah: Brian opened every date) - "last time this tour with Brian Wilson", and Brian had five more shows scheduled, the first just under two weeks later, but less than 24 hours after it was promoted on his own Facebook page they were all cancelled due to a downturn in his health (according to the management). Since then... nothing. Not a word. No more dates, no rescheduled shows. The concensus is that Brian's touring days are over (Carnie as much as said so on the BBTalk show she was on, although she's not exactly in constant touch with her father). In all honesty, that should have happened a couple of years ago. As for this observation of yours - "Brian sang both verses of California Girls on key in tune in perfectly accurately" - you must be watching a different video to me. First verse, yes, adequate if clipped... but he basically gave up halfway through the second.
So no, never planned or announced/advertised as the final show, but it almost certainly was. With all my heart, I hope so. It hurts to see Brian embarrassed like this: the man deserves so much better.
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Post by Sam_BFC on Apr 25, 2023 15:42:09 GMT -5
Came across this again today
I suppose it has been just over 4 years (does the video actually date from around about its upload date?) but with the black hole in time that was the pandemic, watching through it again, it does feel like a lot has changed and been lost in a short amount of time.
Nicky W what a guy.
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Post by jk on Apr 25, 2023 15:56:37 GMT -5
You could always give "classical" music a try. Masses of variety there and the time/age factor doesn't figure at all. Just a thought (he said, making a dash for the door). Absolutely. Interestingly, the Beach Boys were my 'gateway drug' to so many genres I wouldn't have otherwise considered as a young gen x-er in my late teens. Smile alone turned me onto baroque, jazz and exotica. Not to mention my utter love of barbershop quartets. I owe my eclectic tastes 100% to the Beach Boys. As one of the Gibb brothers put it, they were 'great teachers in the field' I came in from the other side! After five years of buying one or two "classical" LPs virtually every week, I switched to pop albums (via Ravi Shankar) with my head full of a hundred years of orchestral and choral music. So for me it was first Charles Ives and Aaron Copland and then SMiLE (and first Edgard Varèse and John Cage and then Frank Zappa). But in 1967 I was completely in awe of Pet Sounds, my first pop album since Del Shannon's debut in '61. I knew many tracks from "pirate" radio but stuff like "Don't Talk" and "LGAFA" was not a million miles away from the classical things I knew and loved.
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Post by ian on Apr 26, 2023 15:23:21 GMT -5
It is definitely sobering to see all the great 60s stars ebbing away. Of course it’s also sobering to think that they were all under 40 when I was born….of course being a fan is different for the individual. I love the BBs but I never bought Summer in Paradise or Stars and Stripes. I don’t own any of Mike’s solo albums and only purchased Carl’s solo albums when they were reissued on CD relatively recently. However I have happily spent a small fortune buying every archival download or release! Similarly, despite being a big fan I have not felt an inclination to see Mike and Bruce in person in the last ten years (though my wife bought tickets for one in that time). Last time I paid to see Brian was on the Jeff Beck tour. But I certainly support them playing for as long as they want to.
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Post by lonelysummer on Apr 26, 2023 21:32:53 GMT -5
Well, it's happening to all of us. In my prime, I was going out to probably one concert a month (sometimes more). Now I look at the lists of upcoming shows, and most of the bands I've never heard of; and others are just charging far too much for someone on a limited income (me). Yeah, it's a combination of seeing ticket prices soar, and fewer acts out there that I am interested in. I remember thinking back in 2013 that $50 was a lot to see Michael Nesmith (and for an additional $50, I could have done the meet and greet), but he was not a touring animal, so I paid the money and took my chance. I'm glad I did. And now he's gone. I saw all four Monkees individually, and Micky, Davy and Peter together twice. Now Micky is the only one left, and I have no interest in seeing him perform as The Monkee. Drifting from the topic a bit but on the cruise last year Micky's solo performance was quite, quite magical. I booked to go on it partly of course to see Mike & Bruce's band, and partly to see the Temptations (who were better than I expected) but mostly because I thought it would be the last chance to see Nez as a Monkee (I'd seen him solo in 2012) but of course he died between buying a ticket and setting sail. But Micky's "celebrates the Monkees" show was worlds better than the solo show I'd seen him do in 2016, and his new keyboard player and lead guitarist had very much the same energy and attitude about them that Darian and Nicky had when they started performing with Brian. Go if you can. For me, Micky has kind of worn out his welcome. I saw the group in 1987 and 1997; Davy solo in 1996; Peter with Shoe Suede Blues in 2001; Micky solo in 2006 and 2007; and Mike solo in 2013. Michael and Peter were the most interesting to be as solo performers, because they weren't trying to do a Monkees show. I don't really care to see Micky singing Davy and Michael's songs.
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Post by M.I.U. Fan on Apr 27, 2023 22:18:57 GMT -5
I skipped the BW/Chicago show when it came to my town. The clips online were not pretty sad. I didn't want to see Brian like that.
I saw the never-ending Pet Sounds shows in 2016 and 2017, and neither of those were particularly memorable either. I had had enough.
I saw Brian as many times as I could starting with Northampton Massachusetts in June of 1999. Each tour got better and better, culminating with Smile and That Lucky Old Sun.
My favorite show will always be November 2009 when Brian really came out of his shell. I'll never forget it. So glad I was in the right place at the right time to see him in such great spirits.
And now he's a recluse again, shrouded in mystery at the Wilson compound. I hope he is happy, enjoying himself.
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Post by AGD on Apr 28, 2023 0:18:01 GMT -5
The Gershwin shows were pretty damn good too, but that fall 2009 tour was legendary: Brian was on fire.
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Post by Sam_BFC on Apr 28, 2023 7:56:37 GMT -5
Are there many or any decent recordings out there from that late 2009 period ?
Though likely not widely out there, sound board recordings of pretty much every show from the last 20 years probably exist don’t they?
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Post by andrewhickey on Apr 28, 2023 9:11:55 GMT -5
I skipped the BW/Chicago show when it came to my town. The clips online were not pretty sad. I didn't want to see Brian like that. I saw the never-ending Pet Sounds shows in 2016 and 2017, and neither of those were particularly memorable either. I had had enough. You made the right decision. I saw two of the shows in 2016, and on one I was lucky enough to see the soundcheck. Brian was clearly in charge on that show, and clearly doing well -- he was a bit bored for part of the Pet Sounds set and speak-singing a bit, but it was a good show and had one moment that was very, very special for me. The other one I saw a few days later was less good, but still a perfectly fine show. I saw him in 2017, and he was bored and not at his best apart from the three-song mini Wild Honey set, where he came alive. Al, Matt, and Blondie carried the rest of the show. I decided not to bother again unless he was going to do something very different, but it was just about adequate, and everyone has an off night. But then in 2018 I got the opportunity to see him again for £2, on what turned out to be his second-to-last ever UK show. It was £2 because tickets became available through a seat-filler site because nobody was interested any more, but I thought it was probably worth £2 even though it was yet another Pet Sounds show. Where previously I'd seen Brian play at the Royal Festival Hall, the Royal Albert Hall, the Bridgewater Hall, prestigious, classy, concert venues designed for classical music, this time he was playing "Digbeth Arena". This is called an arena but is actually a disused, graffitid, car park, with a couple of Portaloos and a "bar" consisting of a trestle table with someone pouring cans of lager into plastic cups. The "venue" could hold approximately a thousand people but it was maybe half full. It was grey, and rainy, and Brian clearly wanted to be anywhere else in the entire world, but despite the surroundings it could still have been a great gig if Brian hadn't been so clearly unwell and incapable of performing. He mumbled his way through about half the lyrics to the handful of songs he sang on at all, forgetting the other half and not even attempting to sing in tune, and spent the rest of the time staring into space dissociating. The rest of the band tried their best, but I honestly felt cruel and somewhat soiled by the experience, as if I was being nonconsensually drafted into participating in elder abuse. It was heartbreakingly sad. (Note that I don't say it *was* elder abuse. I've spoken a lot with Brian's band members over the years, though not since then, and I firmly believe that they all have Brian's best interests at heart and wouldn't take part in something that they knew in advance would be upsetting for him. But it's very easy for something that starts out great to slowly turn into something with good days, bad days, and the occasional great day when you can convince yourself it's still like it was, and then for the great days to become infrequent, the good days less good, and the bad days worse, without you really realising if that's your day-to-day existence. But seeing the clear, marked deterioration over that two-year period made it very, very visible what was happening. In 2016 touring was still a net positive both for Brian and his reputation, even if the shows weren't quite as good as those from 2002 or 2004 or 2007. In 2018 he was a seriously ill man dissociating in a half-full car park in the rain while an audience of a couple of hundred people who hadn't even paid for their tickets cheered and pretended not to notice what was in front of their eyes.)
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Post by dauber on Apr 28, 2023 10:01:03 GMT -5
Gonna be honest: yeah, last year on the Chicago tour Brian was probably the worst I've ever seen him, by far...but I was much more disappointed with the Chicago portion of the show. I won't go on about what was wrong with it, but I much preferred Brian's half. It was still very jarring, though, because when I saw him just months earlier in Waukegan he was his old self -- strong voice, much more interactive, probably on par with how he was in 2002 quite honestly.
(Still the best I ever saw Brian was the Gershwin show in Toronto in 2011. He was just ALL OVER the place, and the audience just ate him up big time! There was so much mutual give-and-take, and Brian was just fantastic. I think the biggest thing was his new material: it was meant for how Brian's voice was then, and it just shone. So much.)
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Post by M.I.U. Fan on Apr 28, 2023 18:18:08 GMT -5
Are there many or any decent recordings out there from that late 2009 period ? Though likely not widely out there, sound board recordings of pretty much every show from the last 20 years probably exist don’t they? I've struggled to find any. I've been looking, as I'd love to relive the experience.
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Post by John Manning on Apr 29, 2023 0:17:22 GMT -5
You made the right decision. I saw two of the shows in 2016, and on one I was lucky enough to see the soundcheck. Brian was clearly in charge on that show, and clearly doing well -- he was a bit bored for part of the Pet Sounds set and speak-singing a bit, but it was a good show and had one moment that was very, very special for me. The other one I saw a few days later was less good, but still a perfectly fine show. I saw him in 2017, and he was bored and not at his best apart from the three-song mini Wild Honey set, where he came alive. Al, Matt, and Blondie carried the rest of the show. I decided not to bother again unless he was going to do something very different, but it was just about adequate, and everyone has an off night. But then in 2018 I got the opportunity to see him again for £2, on what turned out to be his second-to-last ever UK show. It was £2 because tickets became available through a seat-filler site because nobody was interested any more, but I thought it was probably worth £2 even though it was yet another Pet Sounds show. Where previously I'd seen Brian play at the Royal Festival Hall, the Royal Albert Hall, the Bridgewater Hall, prestigious, classy, concert venues designed for classical music, this time he was playing "Digbeth Arena". This is called an arena but is actually a disused, graffitid, car park, with a couple of Portaloos and a "bar" consisting of a trestle table with someone pouring cans of lager into plastic cups. The "venue" could hold approximately a thousand people but it was maybe half full. It was grey, and rainy, and Brian clearly wanted to be anywhere else in the entire world, but despite the surroundings it could still have been a great gig if Brian hadn't been so clearly unwell and incapable of performing. He mumbled his way through about half the lyrics to the handful of songs he sang on at all, forgetting the other half and not even attempting to sing in tune, and spent the rest of the time staring into space dissociating. The rest of the band tried their best, but I honestly felt cruel and somewhat soiled by the experience, as if I was being nonconsensually drafted into participating in elder abuse. It was heartbreakingly sad. Quite the most incredible review I’ve read in an age, and I feel gutted for you to be there to see your – our – hero in such a stage of decline. I last saw him play at the Glastonbury Extravaganza in 2017 and the circumstances of the gig made it wonderful for me, even though Brian himself wasn’t in as good shape as he’d been in Glasgow the previous year. What made it magical was being able to take my kids to see the guy who was responsible, one way or another, for the two walls of CD shelves and LPs in the living room; the chance to hear Blondie shred things up, to watch BW perform while supporting my son on my shoulders (couldn’t do that now!)… the event made the show, if you get my drift. At the same time I realised, then, that that would be the last time I saw BW, as his own ability to perform had slipped again and there was a risk that the magic would eke away completely after that. Reading your account, Andrew, I see I was right. And yet, I wish we could wind back to Glasgow 2002…
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Post by John Manning on Apr 29, 2023 0:31:33 GMT -5
Are there many or any decent recordings out there from that late 2009 period ? Though likely not widely out there, sound board recordings of pretty much every show from the last 20 years probably exist don’t they? www.giginjapan.com/scan211/brian-wilson-california.htmBest I could find this morning. My old (overseas) supplier and his website have bitten the dust, sadly.
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Post by E on Apr 29, 2023 4:44:48 GMT -5
My last Brian Wilson gig:
Brian Wilson Presents Pet Sounds at The Sage, Gateshead
29 May 2016
A packed house paid homage to Brian Wilson and his amazing band as they played the celebrated Pet Sounds album and a collection of hits and deeper cuts.
This was Wilson’s third time at The Sage after his 2004 Smile show at Newcastle City Hall and I’d be lying if I didn’t say that his vocal delivery has become more idiosyncratic. At times, he belted out the numbers, at others, he opted for a lounge singer approach. Perhaps because at he’s now 73, he sang fewer leads than previous visits but was more than ably supported by fellow Beach Boys Al Jardine, Blondie Chaplin and Al’s son and former Beach Boys touring band member, Matt Jardine, who hit the high notes Wilson can no longer reach.
The first half was a mix of hits and ‘deeper cuts’ and a superb reminder of the range of Wilson’s song-writing. While it was sad to him ceding the bridge on Surfer Girl to Chaplin, it was a pleasure to see the latter take lead vocals and play some blistering guitar on Wild Honey, Funky Pretty and Sail on Sailor, for which, of course, he was the original vocalist.
Long-time Wilson band member and conductor and arranger Paul Von Mertens referred to Chaplin, who, after spending so long playing with the Rolling Stones bizarrely sports their somewhat weathered appearance, as ‘the real deal,’ but surely that accolade belongs to 73 year-old Al Jardine. He may have lost a bit of his upper register, but his voice remains remarkably like it was 50 years ago and he retains a boyish enthusiasm for the music. His take on Cotton Fields was alone worth the price of admission.
Despite the occasional flub, the notoriously ill-at-ease Wilson was in good humour throughout, putting the band through their paces to sing the chorus of John Fogerty’s Proud Mary before stopping them and adding wryly, “We don’t know the rest…”
Pet Sounds followed the interval, with Wilson singing God Only Knows as the obvious highlight, followed by a standing ovation, though Wilson and the Jardines' rendition of Sloop John B was equally appreciated. After the sound of the train passing and the barking dogs faded, Good Vibrations kicked in a rousing finale until Wilson sang an affectingly hesitant Love and Mercy to round off the night.
Leaving any gig is a downer and a good one like this, even more so, but the foyer was filled with an air of melancholy, like the fade at the end of Caroline, No. There was something extra poignant about this show: it’s likely to be his last tour [ahem] and while he still wants to record, the door is closing on a remarkable career.
Wilson had commented as he left the stage at the interval that this was music therapy. And it was. For everybody.
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