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Post by Vale on Jan 7, 2019 12:13:07 GMT -5
As part of Brian Wilson Presents SmileBeautiful Dreamer: Brian Wilson and the Story of Smile is a 2004 documentary film directed by David Leaf about American musician Brian Wilson, the Beach Boys' unfinished Smile album, and the making of Wilson's Brian Wilson Presents Smile. Besides featuring interviews from Wilson himself, the film includes contributions by Elvis Costello, Burt Bacharach, Paul McCartney, and Roger Daltrey.[1] The title takes its name from the 19th century Stephen Foster song "Beautiful Dreamer"; its opening lyrics begin with the phrase "beautiful dreamer wake", the same initials as the documentary's subject, Brian Douglas Wilson, who references this coincidence in the film. Source wikipedia Directed by: David Leaf Release date: October 5, 2004 Running time: 109 minutes
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Post by Vale on Jan 7, 2019 12:14:28 GMT -5
9. Well done doc, sometimes sad and hard to watch Brian's private moments, but he is a living legend to me. One of my favorite moment is when Darian found and played a session of "Child Is Father Of The Man" and Brian: "Woah!". Do you really think he forgot that part of the song? Love it. Then watching Brian on the piano playing H&V or any other backing track is priceless.
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Post by kds on Jan 8, 2019 12:41:13 GMT -5
I think it's a pretty good documentary, and at times, I think the story of Smile can be more compelling than the album itself.
However, I have to take off points for pushing the myth that Mike killed Smile.
7/10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 13:00:29 GMT -5
I think this documentary is very entertaining, a good (if flawed) intro to the project, and something which is effective at encouraging newcomers to check out the music for themselves. After I first saw it in '11, I was blown away and immediately decided to hunt down bootlegs. (The rest is history.)
But like kds I also notice some flaws with it:
The "Mike killed SMiLE" scapegoating is the big one. If you're gonna have Brian make a point of unambiguously saying "Reasons I didn't finish SMiLE: One, Mike hated it. He hated it," then you owe it to the accused to speak to his own defense. I don't know if Mike was offered an interview and turned it down, but if so it was on the documentary team to better represent the myriad of problems facing the album. And if he wasn't offered that basic right to present his own case, that's shoddy journalism and pushing a narrative on fans. As I recall, this documentary was very influential in that regard; I've seen the wikipedia change drastically from '11 to now. Luckily, both the online encyclopedia and wider fan community seems to have a more nuanced understanding of what went down today.
Even though I'm largely sympathetic to Brian's arty stoner friends, the so-called Vosse Posse, I think this documentary over-hypes their importance a bit. I think most of them, based on what evidence I've seen personally, were decent people who cared about Brian. I think Brian mistreated them as opposed to the other way around, using them as guinea pigs for his every whim and blowing them off when he canceled the album. However, I don't think they inspired him to be a better artist than he was. SMiLE, the good and the bad, for better or worse, is pretty much all on Brian (and VDP to a lesser extent.)
I think this documentary gives LSD a bad name. I don't like Daro crediting all of Brian's post-65 success to it. If there's one thing I've learned it's that acid doesn't make you a different person so much as empowering you to be yourself. That, and it does have legitimate drawbacks including emphasizing a person's mental illnesses. I would like to see psychedelics embraced as tools for therapy and self-discovery, and I believe they should be legalized for medical research purposes. But painting a rosy picture of its benefits without acknowledging the risks is irresponsible and going to get people hurt.
Besides these big things, there's also little misleading editing tricks that make me wonder "if they lied about something as trivial as this, what else did they lie about?" such as pretending Paul McCartney arrived on opening night.
So, like my review of BWPS, I give it a 7. Flawed, but entertaining and nostalgic.
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Post by dumbchops on Jan 8, 2019 20:24:20 GMT -5
9 out of 10. I like the first half of the documentary and the live performance on the 2nd disc. Plus there are all the extra interviews and other goodies. As for Mike not liking SMiLE, what's so hard to believe about that? It's most likely not the reason the album never happened but I just don't understand the revisionist theories. He didn't care for Pet Sounds either initially. SMiLE was just not his thing or as Carl said (something like) it was too "airy fairy" for Mike. In truth, there are many reasons the album was left unfinished but certain members not liking the material had to have been a downer.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 8, 2019 20:43:28 GMT -5
9 out of 10. I like the first half of the documentary and the live performance on the 2nd disc. Plus there are all the extra interviews and other goodies. As for Mike not liking SMiLE, what's so hard to believe about that? It's most likely not the reason the album never happened but I just don't understand the revisionist theories. He didn't care for Pet Sounds either initially. SMiLE was just not his thing or as Carl said (something like) it was too "airy fairy" for Mike. In truth, there are many reasons the album was left unfinished but certain members not liking the material had to have been a downer. Not that this is the best thread to discuss this in, but I think another reason Mike wasn’t into PS or Smile was that he had few to no lead vocals, especially on Smile.
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Post by dumbchops on Jan 8, 2019 21:34:32 GMT -5
9 out of 10. I like the first half of the documentary and the live performance on the 2nd disc. Plus there are all the extra interviews and other goodies. As for Mike not liking SMiLE, what's so hard to believe about that? It's most likely not the reason the album never happened but I just don't understand the revisionist theories. He didn't care for Pet Sounds either initially. SMiLE was just not his thing or as Carl said (something like) it was too "airy fairy" for Mike. In truth, there are many reasons the album was left unfinished but certain members not liking the material had to have been a downer. Not that this is the best thread to discuss this in, but I think another reason Mike wasn’t into PS or Smile was that he had few to no lead vocals, especially on Smile. That's a good point as is the fact that there were other lyricists involved. Also the material would have been very challenging to perform live.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 21:52:22 GMT -5
9 out of 10. I like the first half of the documentary and the live performance on the 2nd disc. Plus there are all the extra interviews and other goodies. As for Mike not liking SMiLE, what's so hard to believe about that? It's most likely not the reason the album never happened but I just don't understand the revisionist theories. He didn't care for Pet Sounds either initially. SMiLE was just not his thing or as Carl said (something like) it was too "airy fairy" for Mike. In truth, there are many reasons the album was left unfinished but certain members not liking the material had to have been a downer. Nobody doubts that Mike wasn't the biggest SMiLE fan, just that it was *the* issue which killed the album. If anything it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. That, and if you're gonna levy such a hefty accusation at anyone in any kind of documentary the proper thing to do is give them an interview to defend themselves. That's what good documentaries do. The fact that Mike wasn't given that chance reveals that, as entertaining as this may be, it's more concerned with pushing a narrative than investigating the truth. That's my issue with it.
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Post by dumbchops on Jan 9, 2019 2:16:32 GMT -5
There were many reasons for not finishing it but to me one of the biggest ones would be VDP abandoning the project. How can you finish that music without any lyrics? What would be nice is an unedited copy of that interview to hear what the other reasons were. It does seem one sided the way it is edited in the documentary.
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Post by WillJC on Jan 9, 2019 17:00:51 GMT -5
There were many reasons for not finishing it but to me one of the biggest ones would be VDP abandoning the project. How can you finish that music without any lyrics? What would be nice is an unedited copy of that interview to hear what the other reasons were. It does seem one sided the way it is edited in the documentary. Not disagreeing, but Brian citing this as the main reason's always seemed odd to me. Brian and Van started working together in what, August? And their collaboration initially continued through to December when the Cabin Essence argument caused VDP to split for the first time. In that time they wrote Heroes and Villains, Wonderful, He Gives Speeches, Cabin Essence, Surf's Up, Wind Chimes (apparently), Holidays (presumably) and Vega-Tables. And the Wordsworth poem that Child is Father of the Man is based on was Van Dyke's suggestion. Van Dyke was back from mid-late January through to March, and from that they wrote the H&V Cantina bridge and a couple of new verses for Vega-Tables. In all of this seemingly the only song missing lyrics was Child is Father of the Man (maybe I Ran too and possibly whatever Brian had planned for I'm in Great Shape) and somehow over all those months this was never addressed. The missing lyrics can't have been that big of a deal, and the time was definitely there to get them done if Brian wanted to turn his attention to them. To me it comes off more like Brian saw Van Dyke as his right hand guy who could point him in the right direction and reassure him on ideas, while Van just saw himself as the lyricist, and when he left after months of procrastination Brian lost the only guy who could get him back on track. I think that's maybe when Brian started developing his complex about the music being "inappropriate" (when it wasn't even that weird next to other stuff he put out afterwards) and doubting that it'd be a sell to his audience.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 17:33:34 GMT -5
Not disagreeing, but Brian citing this as the main reason's always seemed odd to me. Brian and Van started working together in what, August? And their collaboration initially continued through to December when the Cabin Essence argument caused VDP to split for the first time. In that time they wrote Heroes and Villains, Wonderful, He Gives Speeches, Cabin Essence, Surf's Up, Wind Chimes (apparently), Holidays (presumably) and Vega-Tables. And the Wordsworth poem that Child is Father of the Man is based on was Van Dyke's suggestion. Van Dyke was back from mid-late January through to March, and from that they wrote the H&V Cantina bridge and a couple of new verses for Vega-Tables. In all of this seemingly the only song missing lyrics was Child is Father of the Man (maybe I Ran too and possibly whatever Brian had planned for I'm in Great Shape) and somehow over all those months this was never addressed. The missing lyrics can't have been that big of a deal, and the time was definitely there to get them done if Brian wanted to turn his attention to them. To me it comes off more like Brian saw Van Dyke as his right hand guy who could point him in the right direction and reassure him on ideas, while Van just saw himself as the lyricist, and when he left after months of procrastination Brian lost the only guy who could get him back on track. I think that's maybe when Brian started developing his complex about the music being "inappropriate" (when it wasn't even that weird next to other stuff he put out afterwards) and doubting that it'd be a sell to his audience. That hypothesis in your second paragraph makes sense. I've also always thought that a good chunk of the SMiLE themes were really more VDP's brainchild than Brian's. I really can't see writing songs about Indian genocides, criticizing America and stuff like that on his own. I think Heroes and Villians was just a one-off originally (Brian seems to like cowboys--he mentioned the opening of California Girls was based on a cowboy riff.) Then Van (who channels Americana in a lot of his own material) took that and ran with it. VDP is the one on record saying he saw the Beach Boys themselves as modern Americana, and that this helped inspire Surf's Up. So, I think that's why Brian felt he couldn't do it without Van, because he was writing music about stuff that was way out of his comfort zone and unsure how to do it justice. It's also possible he felt only Van was capable of challenging him in terms of arrangement and perhaps even album structure to do something the hip crowd would appreciate. Maybe he was just really insecure and needed somebody, anybody, who had hip cred to tell him that he was doing the right thing. I've also heard people hypothesize that as the project got more complicated and the pressure to top PS and GV mounted, Brian was just looking for a way out. If this is true, it's possible he used VDP's first or second departure as a convenient scapegoat to justify shelving a project he was losing interest in. I think maybe it's a combination of both, and VDP's first departure was a shock for all the reasons listed and threw the album into a tailspin. The timing is perfect to explain why in January the focus shifts to endless tinkering with singles--because Brian lost the drive or the confidence to touch the whole project again. Then, I'd say VDP's second departure was used as an excuse "Oh but I couldn't do it without Van."
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Post by g00dvibrations on Jan 11, 2019 14:59:09 GMT -5
Finally watched this last night. Enjoyed it generally, although much preferred the second half of BWPS being put together / rehearsed / performed.
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Post by Jason (The Real Beach Boy) on Apr 11, 2019 8:12:27 GMT -5
8. Reeks of being propaganda and borderline exploitation (Lorren Daro, anyone?) at times, but for a documentary it does the job very well. The live Smile is worth the price of admission and should have been the proper album.
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Post by AGD on Apr 12, 2019 5:31:59 GMT -5
Still stands up well despite some very dodgy editing to make it look like Macca was there on the first night, and my personal need to have a shower after the Darro sequences.
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