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Post by gerry on Jul 12, 2022 10:25:45 GMT -5
This has been discussed before but I'll be darned if I can find it. Does anyone know what version (conductor) of Rapsody in Blue Brian was listening to back in the '70's ? Thank you.
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Post by angela on Jul 12, 2022 10:36:03 GMT -5
This has been discussed before but I'll be darned if I can find it. Does anyone know what version (conductor) of Rapsody in Blue Brian was listening to back in the '70's ? Thank you. I think it was this one - at least it was in the 60s: |
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Post by gerry on Jul 12, 2022 10:59:06 GMT -5
yes, thank you
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Jul 12, 2022 14:31:16 GMT -5
Curious -- has anyone tracked early mentions of Rhapsody in Blue from Brian himself? When is the first time he brought up the piece in the public discourse?
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Post by jk on Jul 13, 2022 4:03:41 GMT -5
Curious -- has anyone tracked early mentions of Rhapsody in Blue from Brian himself? When is the first time he brought up the piece in the public discourse? Maybe there’s something to be found in Priore's LLVS. Edit: There isn't -- I just checked. Nothing in the Ida Blackburn interviews either... |
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Post by jk on Jul 19, 2022 16:15:28 GMT -5
Curious -- has anyone tracked early mentions of Rhapsody in Blue from Brian himself? When is the first time he brought up the piece in the public discourse? The earliest mention I can find is in 1977, here in the first minute or so: Surely there must be earlier mentions by Brian of Rhapsody than this! |
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jul 20, 2022 2:22:40 GMT -5
There's a fragment in my memory, where Brian talks about first hearing 'Rhapsody' from his grandmother.... Am I right? She would play the 78, but it was the second side that Brian recalls that really got to him, part 2. I think he even said it was on the Victor label, and by doing a quick search, that would be the Paul Whiteman version. I just can't remember where I heard it though.... Maybe in the book, 'I am Brian Wilson'?....
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Post by jk on Jul 20, 2022 3:50:46 GMT -5
There's a fragment in my memory, where Brian talks about first hearing 'Rhapsody' from his grandmother.... Am I right? She would play the 78, but it was the second side that Brian recalls that really got to him, part 2. I think he even said it was on the Victor label, and by doing a quick search, that would be the Paul Whiteman version. I just can't remember where I heard it though.... Maybe in the book, 'I am Brian Wilson'?.... I don't have that book -- so shoot me! There's quite a lot online about Brian and Rhapsody (pity about the misspelling in the thread title). The thing is, it needs to be something said by Brian during the band's early years rather than recalled by him or someone else years later. And hopefully somewhat earlier than 1977... Thanks for chiming in anyway! It's always a pity when an intelligent question is just left dangling.  |
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Jul 20, 2022 4:10:43 GMT -5
I flicked through ”I Am Brian Wilson” a couple of times just now but couldn’t find anything about a 78 of Rhapsody In Blue. Still, it might be in there somewhere…
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Post by Al S on Jul 20, 2022 5:05:29 GMT -5
Re Rick Horse’s comment, It’s a Brian quote, that you can find reproduced on page 47 of (the NEW Edition of) David Leaf’s tome.
In 1977, Brian recalled his first musical memory: “The very first song I was exposed to was Rhapsody in Blue. There’s no better way to come into this world . . . than to hear a song like that being played . . . I’m certain every time I hear it that I’m going back to age two. Actually, when I was two weeks old, they used to play Rhapsody in Blue at my grandmother’s house, where my mother used to go visit a lot.”
So, this dates things between 1942-1944 (likely ‘44, as the two week old quote is likely a verbal gaff, but hey, who knows with this guy).
The ‘45 format wasn’t introduced until 1949, so Rick is right to assume it’s possibly from a ‘78, but 33’s were also in play (nyuck nyuck) sine the 30s.
In terms of the version Brian listened to in the 70s, who knows, but I’m hoping it’s this one:
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Post by E on Jul 20, 2022 9:03:16 GMT -5
Be interesting to find out, though I can imagine telling TeenPopZine or whatever in 1964 that you were influenced by Gershwin probably wouldn't make the final story among tales of girls, the beach, cars, surfing and that King-Size turd in the toilet on the European tour
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Post by jk on Jul 20, 2022 10:23:23 GMT -5
I don't have that book -- so shoot me! There's quite a lot online about Brian and Rhapsody ( pity about the misspelling in the thread title). The thing is, it needs to be something said by Brian during the band's early years rather than recalled by him or someone else years later. And hopefully somewhat earlier than 1977... Thank you, mods.  |
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Jul 20, 2022 12:50:59 GMT -5
Be interesting to find out, though I can imagine telling TeenPopZine or whatever in 1964 that you were influenced by Gershwin probably wouldn't make the final story among tales of girls, the beach, cars, surfing and that King-Size turd in the toilet on the European tour Well, see, yeah, that is interesting and sort of gets to what I'm interested in figuring out about Rhapsody in Blue and Brian. Normally he won't shut up about the music he's into, to wit, the first time I met him, he informed me of his love for the Rolling Stones while I was in the middle of saying "hello." Spector this, Spector that. Happy Birthday, Dear Freshmen, etc. So I just find it a little surprising that there's no record of Brian mentioning RiB before 1977. So it that's really true, was it just a matter of interviewers cutting that part out of their discussions, or is Brian's longstanding emotional connection to RiB a bit less intense than we have been sort of lead to believe? |
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Post by ian on Jul 20, 2022 13:58:00 GMT -5
Well…I have a huge collection of BBs articles and most interviews with BW in the 60s and most are not in depth. They ask about new singles, trends in music, etc. First real in depth interview that I can think of that gets into their childhoods was probably the RS piece in 1971 so I wouldn’t read too much into the fact that it didn’t come up till 1977
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Post by jk on Jul 23, 2022 4:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by gigantiskpyjamas on Aug 2, 2022 12:57:08 GMT -5
I just watched the extras on the Long Promised Road Blu-ray and it has an interview snippet with Alan Boyd asking Brian about Gershwin and Brian says that his mother played him ”Rhapsody in Blue” when he was three years old.
It’s followed by a montage of photos of Audree Wilson set to a previously unreleased run-through of ”Is It True What They Say About Dixie”, presumbly from the same session as on the I Can Hear Music copyright release. Audree asks Brian if he’s ”recording this, you bastard?”. 😄
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Post by E on Aug 10, 2022 10:08:13 GMT -5
Be interesting to find out, though I can imagine telling TeenPopZine or whatever in 1964 that you were influenced by Gershwin probably wouldn't make the final story among tales of girls, the beach, cars, surfing and that King-Size turd in the toilet on the European tour Though, of course, he was recording Kern and Hammerstein''s Ol' Man River four years later. Another one for the kidz. |
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Post by jk on Feb 2, 2024 13:10:47 GMT -5
This is for Brian. Stay strong, big fella. We all love you and you have our backs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 14:05:39 GMT -5
If grandma had Paul Whiteman's RiB on Victor (there were various repressings in the 30's) it's possible that mom & dad had Glenn Miller's version, also on Victor, at home. His came out in '43. Miller's version is condensed for pop consumption. I'd bet that Brian heard both. |
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Post by Mikie on Feb 2, 2024 15:30:37 GMT -5
Good little rendition by Brian here. Looks like Western:
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Post by mikedonn on Feb 2, 2024 15:38:56 GMT -5
Good little rendition by Brian here. Looks like Western: I wish we had more of Brian in this kind of setting. This footage is great because some people don't think Brian can play the piano well! I could watch and listen to him for hours. |
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Post by jk on Feb 3, 2024 5:47:43 GMT -5
If grandma had Paul Whiteman's RiB on Victor (there were various repressings in the 30's) it's possible that mom & dad had Glenn Miller's version, also on Victor, at home. His came out in '43. Miller's version is condensed for pop consumption. I'd bet that Brian heard both. You can hear the Gershwin/Whiteman Orchestra rendition here. This is Glenn Miller's 78 rpm version. To quote the Youtube blurb: "On July 16, 1942, the famed civilian band of Glenn Miller gathered at a Chicago recording studio for the very last commercial session that they would do for Victor Records. Captain Miller entered the service less than three months later. The final track recorded on that final date was this Bill Finegan arrangement of Gershwin’s 'Rhapsody In Blue,' which many Miller fans purchased upon its release in mid-1943." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Finegan |
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 3, 2024 11:30:11 GMT -5
Be interesting to find out, though I can imagine telling TeenPopZine or whatever in 1964 that you were influenced by Gershwin probably wouldn't make the final story among tales of girls, the beach, cars, surfing and that King-Size turd in the toilet on the European tour This is probably closest to the truth even though Leonard Bernstein recognized and translated for parents in Inside Pop. No one was talking about classical music in rock but everyone was influenced by it. It would have been in-your-face, in school, where music was actually required and taught. Everyone knew how to sing-a-round. (Row your boat) Everyone was taught how to sing with a pitch pipe to change key. It was almost subliminal. Everyone learned marches by John Philip Sousa. You didn't have a choice. Here Bernstein talks about "pauses" in music. TLGIOK? And Gershwin at :046 |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Feb 3, 2024 11:53:29 GMT -5
I have a really good feeling that the answer to this question will be revealed before long.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Feb 4, 2024 0:52:52 GMT -5
This does not address the OP's original question, but here is an audio extraction from 'I Am Brian Wilson', Brian (assuming it's Brian's) recollecting his memory on when he first heard 'Rhapsody In Blue' and Gershwin. vimeo.com/909636647?share=copy |
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