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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 15:13:19 GMT -5
The sounds of Summer just came out on my music application in the atmos streaming. It's easy enough to look up what this is but my question is how can you tell if you're hearing it that way and if you simply play that one alnum as opposed to the other one on your car stereo , are you actually hearing something different ,or is it only in particular technical configurations that you have to engineer yourself in some Arcane way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 18:26:35 GMT -5
My Feeling by trying to listen to songs back-to-back or side-by-side just by short of toggling back and forth is that the atmos sounds much better than the Masters level. But someone else please tell me if that makes any sense or if you agree.
Editing: don't listen to me about this. It's actually the previous one volume Sounds of Summer that's available in atmos. The new collection is not available in Atmos so I wasn't comparing apples to apples. Sorry for being misleading.
I will say however that I've had good luck with the new collection when I switched the car stereo to surround sound. The audio installer told me to stay away from surround sound, but somehow it's very much compliments these new mixes.
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Post by Al S on Jun 25, 2022 1:14:09 GMT -5
Is your car stereo Atmos compatible (you should see a badge or reference the specs in the owners manual).
If yes, there will be some kind of indicator on the read-out screen (ie, the atmos symbol).
If your car stereo doesn’t have atmos, you will be hearing a 5.1 or maybe 7.2 type mix, or even a stereo down mix depending on your speaker set up.
But even if you have an atmos compatible receiver in your ride, you also need ceiling speakers, or upfiring speakers, to provide the full wank. Upfiring speakers in a vehicle could cause environmental hazards if you drive a convertible with the top down (although passing birds may be intrigued by Why Do Fools Fall In Love).
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Post by MissilesOfSoul on Jun 25, 2022 11:25:48 GMT -5
Short answer: Just use any headphones or speakers it’s virtual surround sound.
Long answer: Atmos is a new multi-channel surround-sound format with the new addition of height channels. Your average Atmos setup is 5.1.2 or 7.1.4. When listened through headphones on a streaming service like AppleMusic or Amazon it uses special software to take the multi-channel mixes and using some audio trickery and post-processing essebtially replicates the experience of listening on a multi-speaker setup in a big room. In all honestly, it sounds pretty good like 75% of the time. If you use a TV-app version of a streaming service like AppleMusic or Tidal it will instead just downmix the mix to whatever channels you have connected.
Hope this clears it up because it’s generally pretty badly explained.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 11:32:24 GMT -5
Yes I appreciate the feedback and I just don't have the chops to understand. I'm streaming through my Samsung phone using the Bluetooth and it has an Atmos setting but what's happening between the setting on the phone and was appearing in the stereo from the car I don't know how to discern. It's aftermarket amp and speakers. I'm not sure how to check on whether it's compatible. But I did set the smart phone up for Atmos with a subcategory of Music instead of movies. In any case the surround sound setting sounds pretty darn good on the new beach boy compilation however it may be rendering things technically. I think there are 12 or 14 speakers in the car but of course it can't exactly emulate the specifications for that most technically. Again thanks for the fellowship and the expertise
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Post by dauber on Jun 29, 2022 8:22:46 GMT -5
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaitaminit...you don't need special headphones for Atmos?? Just...my standard Sony WH-CH700N cans'll do?? Good grief, I've been sitting on these Beatles Atmos mixes for upwards of five years and thought I didn't have a way to take advantage of 'em...
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 29, 2022 9:35:27 GMT -5
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaitaminit...you don't need special headphones for Atmos?? Just...my standard Sony WH-CH700N cans'll do?? Good grief, I've been sitting on these Beatles Atmos mixes for upwards of five years and thought I didn't have a way to take advantage of 'em... This is a clever word game of semantics from the makers of the product, exactly what I don’t like. There is Atmos and there is Atmos. On hometheateracademy - first, it tells us that you can shell out $400 for Dolby enabled headphone, but wait for it - you have to then, buy their app! Initially it was made for theaters. Speakers in the ceiling and up-firing ones from the floor level. And all around - 9.1 or whatever. Second, the Sony’s are mentioned as having a “Dolby-like” experience. What the heck does that mean? Do we all look like dummies? It talks about a 3-dimensional experience, but it says that any headphones will do the job. Apps - Dolby for Windows10 or Xbox. So you are on a computer. For special sound. Another subscription (like streaming) the software is called Dolby Access app. Please. Third - these other headphones called Razers, have built in 7.1 virtual surround sound. Then there are headsets for gaming with built-in 7.1 (so you don’t need to rewire your house) And the way I interpret this - is that the computer is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. This article admits that it is very unclear as to how these companies can market these headphones, and claim they support Atmos. The industry is not on the same page! How does anyone expect that the listeners are? So, I’ll give you an example; Bluetooth waterproof headphones. I swim, and fairly recently discovered that I could have music underwater and it is not a new invention. It is a whole new world for swimmers, who had the only sport without music. Nothing cooler than BB shows I saw in 1967 UNDER WATER!!! I am giggling underwater, over ancient BB banter, which is not always a good thing. You gotta come up for some air. 😂 And, I use a waterproof iPod shuffle and a plug-in wired headphone set that I shove under my goggles so they stay put (for the most part.) But, you will see in the big box stores, headphones (and some big names) that claim that theirs are both waterproof and bluetooth without wires. Problem is, that the bluetooth signal does not travel in water, so this platform and the “sound” product is a complete scam. You can’t leave your phone on a table and do laps, because the bluetooth signal is broken once you hit the water. It is a joke. When you ask the sales people about it and explain that bluetooth signal does not travel through water, they get it. The mp3 has to be built into the waterproof headphones. Not stand-alone waterproof bluetooth headphones. You have to load the music on the device, the old-fashioned way. The effect is not standing in a theater that is fully equipped for Atmos. It is a matter of degree - and the foundational underpinning is that you need the Dolby Access App, on Xbox (no, I don’t have one of those) or Windows 10 (no more Windows for me) and then “enable” Dolby Atmos for headphones. There are supposedly apps for other platforms. A lot of this is hype, I think, because it is the “shiny new thing” so, I pity those sound guys who, now, I know are caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place. At best, I would analogize that it is a “simulation” effect of a theater experience. Or a ride in Disneyworld. hometheateracademy.com/does-Dolby-Atmos-work-with-bluetooth-headphones/Engadget has its own take on all of this about whether it works with bluetooth. www.engadget.com/2018-11-14-dolby-dimension-wireless-headphones.html If there is still a load of dispute and controversy in the industry, trying to unpack this thing on this forum, is not exactly a fools errand. Or, is it? It seems that the industry itself does not have a uniform position. At least, we are trying.
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Post by dauber on Jun 29, 2022 9:59:47 GMT -5
Okay, so my takeaway from that response and the linked articles:
"Don't bother; it's not worth the hassle."
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 29, 2022 10:36:26 GMT -5
Okay, so my takeaway from that response and the linked articles:
"Don't bother; it's not worth the hassle."
Everyone has to make their own decision about what they invest in. Ask around - I am certainly no sound expert, but the whole swimming with music, spun my head around, for a minute, trying to distill the differences and spotting the scam. How they ever got patents approved, is beyond me. Someone in that patent office has to know that bluetooth does not travel through water. In the consumer context it is outrageous. The audio from that plug-in waterproof ipod is superb, with old Bose plug in, over-the-ear headphones. Best Buy used to sell the iPod shuffles and offer the waterproofing service for about $100. Now they are hard-to-find, and big bucks, since apple discontinued them. But, the really weird dynamic is, that with the waterproof headphones, once you submerge, the sound is better than on land. I have no idea how that is possible, but when you are underwater, it is complete silence. The sound quality is better underwater. It is a good thing that at least the dialog is opened up, so we can all learn together and share what we find out.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jun 29, 2022 10:47:45 GMT -5
Okay, so my takeaway from that response and the linked articles:
"Don't bother; it's not worth the hassle."
The way I square it all up, is .. it's a movie home theatre experience that surrounds you with sound. It has been used on music and I'd like to say that listening through my Atmos setup at home .. the Beatles 'Abbey Road' Atmos disc sounds spectacular (it's the only one of their box sets where there is a dedicated disc with Atmos encoded music .. the others are just plain 5.1). How do I know it's outputting Atmos, and not PCM or 5.1? .. because the Atmos system App that I use tells me so.
But still .. for me .. it's primarily a movie experience. Most 4K discs of recent films have Atmos as their main soundtrack. For music, things will need to be 'ramped-up' for it to catch on big-style.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 11:32:18 GMT -5
Yes in reality and after doing research I cannot claim that I'm really listening to Atmos. in fact it's probably pretty unlikely that I am ,in the car. But somehow the way the atmos setting from the tidal app and the settings on my Samsung phone for streaming in a combination with my particular car set up speakers and amp and Surround Sound, sounds good. It can't possibly be pure atmos I guess because the car some say would need to be as big as a truck or would need to be pre-designed and pre equipped with that technology, but nonetheless it sounds pretty darn good. Perhaps it just turns itself into a really good stereo mix akin to the master level on Tidal. Really don't know.
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