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Post by AGD on Jun 8, 2022 16:08:02 GMT -5
I think it may be the same piano that I saw in person. The piano bench cushion has the opening notes to "Surfer Girl" cross-stitched into it. I played on the sandbox piano - "Caroline, No", very, very badly - when it was at Marilyn's Encino house in 1986. As for the piano stool...
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Post by John Manning on Jun 8, 2022 16:54:31 GMT -5
When the piano tuner showed up to Brian's house, Brian didn't want him to use pitchforks - instead he hummed the notes and had the piano guy tune to the pitch he was humming to get the sound he wanted to hear. Supposedly the result was a piano with a few sharp and flat keys but better harmonics... That is beyond remarkable.
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Post by Mikie on Jun 8, 2022 18:20:37 GMT -5
When the piano tuner showed up to Brian's house, Brian didn't want him to use pitchforks - instead he hummed the notes and had the piano guy tune to the pitch he was humming to get the sound he wanted to hear. Supposedly the result was a piano with a few sharp and flat keys but better harmonics... That is beyond remarkable. And what makes it even more remarkabler is that the guy has only what, 20% hearing out of one ear?
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Post by Paul JB on Jun 8, 2022 20:01:22 GMT -5
For me, this is the biggest WHOA !! moment since I first heard TWGMTR. It took nearly 56 years, but... hell, yes. The GV studio footage too. This is a great find and funny that it was already ‘found’ and kept under wraps at least for a while. 8 days worth of comments and it’s on the back of a current tour program.?! Very cool….and then human nature kicks in and makes me wonder what else exists and/or people know about? Do I now rekindle my hope of hearing Dennis signing Sail on Sailor?
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Post by debonbon on Jun 8, 2022 20:01:25 GMT -5
Wow. There it is. Hope someone can get a nice scan of that.
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Post by M.I.U. Fan on Jun 8, 2022 20:08:56 GMT -5
Well, dreams really can come true.
If I start a thread on the other Jasper Dailey tracks will they turn up as well?
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Post by ryankc on Jun 8, 2022 21:27:13 GMT -5
Well damn. I hardly post but glad I logged on now to see this break. Rock, rock, roll, Plymouth Rock roll over kind of night.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Jun 8, 2022 21:28:44 GMT -5
When the piano tuner showed up to Brian's house, Brian didn't want him to use pitchforks - instead he hummed the notes and had the piano guy tune to the pitch he was humming to get the sound he wanted to hear. Supposedly the result was a piano with a few sharp and flat keys but better harmonics... That is beyond remarkable. I also suspect it it's hooey. Piano tuning is actually not done with a lot of external reference pitches -- you set a base pitch to a fixed pitch, yes, but from there it's all relative to that pitch based on math and what tuning system you are using. All pianos are necessarily out of tune, because compromises have to be made to accommodate the differences between mathematical harmony and what sounds good. In the context of Brian's needs, it would be very disadvantageous to use a non-standard tuning because it would render the piano out of tune with other fixed pitch instruments. I have no doubt that Brian would have directed a piano tuner to do things a certain way, and maybe even did sing pitches for the guy to match. But any good piano technician would chuckle and then dial in a useable equal-tempered tuning when Brian wasn't paying attention. One thing that might be getting confused in the story is that at some point, Brian wanted the detuned sound that we associate so intimately with Wild Honey. That effect is achieved by effecting a very slight differential between the two or three strings on the piano that comprise each distinct pitch. It's not more than a couple cents. I could see a scenario where Brian sang how much of a deviation he wanted, which would be equally remarkable but way more plausible.
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 8, 2022 21:34:37 GMT -5
Prepare to get nerdy. Well, more nerdy. According to my expert and scientific recreation, if the height to the top of the lid from the floor is 40 inches, the depth of the sand is about 8 inches on that leg. Disclaimer: Surprise! I'm not really an expert and don't know what I'm talking about but still.....I think the depth of the sand must have been about 8 inches.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 8, 2022 23:56:25 GMT -5
Prepare to get nerdy. Well, more nerdy. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> According to my expert and scientific recreation, if the height to the top of the lid from the floor is 40 inches, the depth of the sand is about 8 inches on that leg. Disclaimer: Surprise! I'm not really an expert and don't know what I'm talking about but still.....I think the depth of the sand must have been about 8 inches. I was 4 inches short of my assessment..... the story of my life...
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 9, 2022 5:58:41 GMT -5
If I were an old man I'd make a "that's what she said" reference but that would be wrong, so I won't.
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Post by jk on Jun 9, 2022 7:06:15 GMT -5
If I were an old man I'd make a "that's what she said" reference but that would be wrong, so I won't. In the UK the expression is (or was when I lived there), "as the actress said to the bishop". At least that's reversible, often with more hilarious (and/or piquant) results. Or is "That's what he said" just as common in the US?
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Post by John Manning on Jun 9, 2022 7:46:18 GMT -5
If I were an old man I'd make a "that's what she said" reference but that would be wrong, so I won't. In the UK the expression is (or was when I lived there), "as the actress said to the bishop". At least that's reversible, often with more hilarious (and/or piquant) results. Or is "That's what he said" just as common in the US? When I buy black pudding at Stanforth’s in Skipton, I usually ask for six inches. The lady behind the counter always picks up her big sharp knife, wields it above the black pudding and asks, “Right love, is that your ‘six inches’ or mine?”
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Post by Mikie on Jun 9, 2022 9:08:30 GMT -5
"A long string of hit records, from ‘Surfin'” to ‘California Girls’, made Wilson a wealthy man at the age of 23, so he bought a house high in the Hollywood Hills, with views of Los Angeles and the San Fernando Valley. He also talked his wife Marilyn into accepting a sandbox in the dining room. Surrounded by sand, he would feel like a kid again, and feel the joy that kids feel at the beach. This, he said, would inspire his songwriting. So it was that carpenters built a low retaining wall and filled it with about eight tons of premium beach sand. In the middle of it all went Wilson’s grand piano. The piano tuner, for one, didn’t like it. On one of his visits he entered the sandbox, lifted the piano hood, and peered inside. The way Wilson told it, the man could hardly believe his eyes: somehow sand had gotten inside the piano—an unforgivable abuse of a precious instrument. When the Wilsons moved to Bel-Air, Mrs. Wilson made sure that the indoor beach was left behind". www.kcrw.com/music/articles/brian-wilson-piano-in-the-sandbox
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Post by ironhorseapples on Jun 9, 2022 12:04:21 GMT -5
Ode to Sandbox Picture
The Maestro sits there, deep in thought A moment gone, forever caught What once thought lost has now been found But how I wish that pic had sound.....
What joyous song denied reflection? Words to 'Look'? A 'Heroes' section? Maestro sits there, deep in flow But what he plays we'll never know
The picture speaks a thousand words A spiral of diminished thirds Does Maestro sense the coming frost? A thousand words scream 'look what's lost!'
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Post by Mikie on Jun 9, 2022 12:29:16 GMT -5
Marilyn Wilson interviewed by KHJ radio in L.A.: “He wanted a sandbox, so he got a sandbox. He said, “I want to play in the sand. I want to feel like a little kid. When I’m writing these songs, I want to feel what I’m writing". We had this really good carpenter come up to the house and in the dining room, this guy built a gorgeous wooden sandbox, about two and a half feet tall. Then they came with a dump truck and dumped eight tons of sand into it.
One day our piano tuner came into the house and said, “OK, where’s the piano?". I was quite busy so I said, “Oh, it’s over there in the sandbox”, thinking nothing about it. He looked at me and said, “Oh”. All of a sudden he walked over to the sandbox, sat down, and started taking off his shoes and socks. That made me howl! He just took them off, like, “Oh, sand. I’ve got to take my shoes and socks off to go into the sand". Because there’s no sun in the dining room, the sand was freezing cold and the dog also got used to it. You know what it’s like with dogs and sand. Brian lifted up the hood of the piano and he acted like he was going to have a nervous breakdown. Brian shouted, “My God, this piano is filled with sand!” and he had to vacuum it out.”
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 9, 2022 13:30:47 GMT -5
Brian Wilson said '“We wrote “Heroes & Villains”, “Cabinessence”, “Surf’s Up” and “Wonderful” in the sandbox. Yeah, it was a great sandbox!'
I agree.
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Post by dauber on Jun 9, 2022 15:48:48 GMT -5
Hell of an EP.
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 9, 2022 15:54:07 GMT -5
30 inches would put the top of the box structure above the top of the keys. Maybe the sides are visible in the Inside Pop video. Also, anybody spot any curtains in the IP video? Gathered up in a corner or against a wall or anything?
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Post by AGD on Jun 9, 2022 16:08:55 GMT -5
30 inches would put the top of the box structure above the top of the keys. Maybe the sides are visible in the Inside Pop video. Also, anybody spot any curtains in the IP video? Gathered up in a corner or against a wall or anything? Pretty sure I recall Billy saying it was a foot and a half high, tops. No curtains visible in the IP footage, nor the sides. Interestingly, Oppenheim's reel notes make no mention of a sandbox. That footage was shot December 17th 1966. The same candelabra is on the piano. Here's the full notation (italics are my assumptions):
77 x piano Surf's Up PB (pull back) Surf's up candelabra shot CL (camera left)
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 9, 2022 16:21:29 GMT -5
I think Marilyn has also put the height at a foot and a half with 8 tons of sand.
8 tons of sand at an 8 inch depth (if it is 8 inch) would cover 240 square feet, 12' X 20' or 14' X 18' or so.
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Post by Mikie on Jun 9, 2022 18:35:00 GMT -5
I think Marilyn has also put the height at a foot and a half with 8 tons of sand. 8 tons of sand at an 8 inch depth (if it is 8 inch) would cover 240 square feet, 12' X 20' or 14' X 18' or so. Yeah, a foot and 1/2 sounds much more logical. Just goin' by what I read! Not sure she realizes what 2 1/2 feet looks like! But thanks, Mikie, for doing the research.
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Post by Paul JB on Jun 9, 2022 20:59:39 GMT -5
I think Marilyn has also put the height at a foot and a half with 8 tons of sand. 8 tons of sand at an 8 inch depth (if it is 8 inch) would cover 240 square feet, 12' X 20' or 14' X 18' or so. Yeah, a foot and 1/2 sounds much more logical. Just goin' by what I read! Not sure she realizes what 2 1/2 feet looks like! But thanks, Mikie, for doing the research. I’d wager between 4 and 8 inch’s of sand were dumped in that box. A foot and a half is up to the average persons knees. Wouldn’t be close to that or needed. He just wanted to get his feet in it and even 4 inches would bury his shoes. Think about any kids sandbox… I’d say the average is 6 inches. Plenty deep to dig around in.
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Post by Cam Mott on Jun 9, 2022 21:03:05 GMT -5
Yes, thanks Mikie. Michael Vosse said it was like 4 feet I believe, which would be clearly visible over the top of the piano I think.
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Post by Paul JB on Jun 9, 2022 23:50:04 GMT -5
Yeah, a foot and 1/2 sounds much more logical. Just goin' by what I read! Not sure she realizes what 2 1/2 feet looks like! But thanks, Mikie, for doing the research. I’d wager between 4 and 8 inch’s of sand were dumped in that box. A foot and a half is up to the average persons knees. Wouldn’t be close to that or needed. He just wanted to get his feet in it and even 4 inches would bury his shoes. Think about any kids sandbox… I’d say the average is 6 inches. Plenty deep to dig around in. My mistake… I thought the theory was 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 feet of sand. That said, if we are talking the depth of the BOX itself, it still would not be either of those depths. 2 1/2 feet is up to your waist, 1 1/2 feet would be hard to step over and into…. That’s 18 inches, or half of a standard yardstick. Makes no sense a sandbox would be that tall. The talk about the Tuner finding sand in the piano, or the dog dirt might make for sensationalism, but really … what the hell were Brian and Marilyn thinking. Sand would have been all over the house! Everywhere and in everything. Go to the beach, get in your car, drive home, and sand will work it’s way into your home. Now…put the sand IN your home and see what happens. Then again, if it helped inspire Surfs Up does it matter the home was a mess? I think not.
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