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Post by nts1drums on Mar 27, 2022 7:17:44 GMT -5
I recently came across this picture again, and I don’t know whether or not this was discussed already. Where was this picture from? What session? images.app.goo.gl/bDjwR8iG8WaMtvEc6EDIT: Yeah sorry I didn’t mean to send the image that way.
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Post by AGD on Mar 27, 2022 7:56:13 GMT -5
Sunflower session. Shot by David Dalton.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 27, 2022 9:37:41 GMT -5
Here it is so you don't have to click through, in a little wider angle, also. Note the two U67s as close overheads. Attachments:
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Post by ian on Mar 27, 2022 11:29:09 GMT -5
Not really a surprising shot-as it is well attested that Brian liked to fool around on drums-and of course used to take over the skins in 63-64 when Dennis sang. Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t Brian playing drums on Love You? Paul McCartney also used to like to drum whenever Ringo left the stool.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Mar 27, 2022 11:32:10 GMT -5
Yep, Brian's playing drums on Let Us Go On This Way, Roller Skating Child, Johnny Carson, Solar System, Let's Put Our Hearts Together, Airplane, and Love is a Woman.
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Post by AGD on Mar 27, 2022 12:40:31 GMT -5
That's drums as in (mostly) single snare.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Mar 28, 2022 6:51:53 GMT -5
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Post by filledeplage on Mar 28, 2022 9:16:41 GMT -5
Those are rare, indeed. I’ve never seen those. 👍
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Post by dauber on Mar 29, 2022 17:00:06 GMT -5
Yep, Brian's playing drums on Let Us Go On This Way, Roller Skating Child, Johnny Carson, Solar System, Let's Put Our Hearts Together, Airplane, and Love is a Woman. Drum machine, no??
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Post by AGD on Mar 29, 2022 17:26:32 GMT -5
Yep, Brian's playing drums on Let Us Go On This Way, Roller Skating Child, Johnny Carson, Solar System, Let's Put Our Hearts Together, Airplane, and Love is a Woman. Drum machine, no?? Nope. Real drum. Single snare, mostly.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Mar 29, 2022 21:29:20 GMT -5
No drum machines anywhere on Love You.
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Post by dauber on Mar 30, 2022 9:24:49 GMT -5
Wow...I'd always read that it was a drum machine, and it sure doesn't sound like a real drum to me...but....hoooookay. Weirder things have come out of Brian.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Mar 30, 2022 10:30:54 GMT -5
It's a real drum set, and Earle Mankey has given some details on how he recorded it - basically just lots of echo! Drum machines in 1976 did not sound anything like real drums yet.
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Post by boogieboarder on Mar 30, 2022 12:39:45 GMT -5
A drum machine would have had much better and more professional drum patterns than the drums on on Love You.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 30, 2022 13:53:46 GMT -5
A drum machine would have had much better and more professional drum patterns than the drums on on Love You. More professional for sure, but isn't the utter lack of professionalism in the person of Brian Wilson what we're here for?
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Post by Sam_BFC on Mar 30, 2022 14:05:19 GMT -5
Some super aggressive drum compression on Ding Dang
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Post by boogieboarder on Mar 30, 2022 14:54:13 GMT -5
A drum machine would have had much better and more professional drum patterns than the drums on on Love You. More professional for sure, but isn't the utter lack of professionalism in the person of Brian Wilson what we're here for? Well, the wrecking crew under the direction of Brian Wilson was as about as perfect as you could get. I could listen to the Pet Sounds backing tracks forever. And I noticed right away when it was released that the drums on Love You were distracting from the power and presentation of the songs that Brian had crafted for the album. It sounded like there were holes in the music.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Mar 30, 2022 14:58:23 GMT -5
More professional for sure, but isn't the utter lack of professionalism in the person of Brian Wilson what we're here for? Well, the wrecking crew under the direction of Brian Wilson was as about as perfect as you could get. I could listen to the Pet Sounds backing tracks forever. And I noticed right away when it was released that the drums on Love You were distracting from the power and presentation of the songs that Brian had crafted for the album. It sounded like there were holes in the music. Couldn't disagree more. Love You has some of the most powerful drum sounds I've heard. Dennis hits harder than hell on Mona and Honkin'. Beautiful engineering work by Mankey!
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 30, 2022 15:05:27 GMT -5
Well, the wrecking crew under the direction of Brian Wilson was as about as perfect as you could get. I could listen to the Pet Sounds backing tracks forever. And I noticed right away when it was released that the drums on Love You were distracting from the power and presentation of the songs that Brian had crafted for the album. It sounded like there were holes in the music. Couldn't disagree more. Love You has some of the most powerful drum sounds I've heard. Dennis hits harder than hell on Mona and Honkin'. Beautiful engineering work by Mankey! Yeah, lack of power is not something I associate with the Love You drums -- they are pretty in-your-face. And I'm not equating professionalism with perfection. I think the Pet Sounds backing tracks are as good as they are because of Brian's lack of professionalism.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Mar 30, 2022 15:10:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily say Pet Sounds has "more professional drum patterns" either. There's a good mix of simple backbeats and idiosyncratic rhythms on both albums. Airplane has one of the more interesting drum patterns Brian's ever written (hi-hat 16ths into beat 1, snare on 4, then two big booms on the kick drum), while Let's Put Our Hearts Together has basic snare hits on the backbeats. Similarly, I'm Waiting for the Day has interesting interplay between the timpani and drum set, with two rhythms complementing each other, while Don't Talk just has unchanging quarter notes on the ride bell. Both albums have unusual, yet very satisfying drum arrangements that could only come from Brian Wilson. And they're all perfect for their respective songs, too.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Mar 30, 2022 15:15:00 GMT -5
The drum patterns on both albums come from the same mind! Although it's probably fair to say that the session people on PS played drums with a tad more panache than Brian.
You can trace Brian's unique sense of drum patterns through the whole career arc. When I Grow Up strikes me a something that would come from the same place as Airplane, for example.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Mar 30, 2022 15:30:46 GMT -5
The drum patterns on both albums come from the same mind! Although it's probably fair to say that the session people on PS played drums with a tad more panache than Brian. You can trace Brian's unique sense of drum patterns through the whole career arc. When I Grow Up strikes me a something that would come from the same place as Airplane, for example. That's exactly the comparison I almost made. Love that one
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Post by nts1drums on Mar 30, 2022 20:10:07 GMT -5
Some super aggressive drum compression on Ding Dang Whoever played drums on that one (I’m going to assume Ricky right now just as a guess, not taking it seriously) really, REALLY smacked those skins.
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Post by boogieboarder on Mar 30, 2022 22:48:14 GMT -5
"Good Time," "Honkin' Down the Highway," and "Ding Dang" aren't even from Love You sessions, so of course the drums are fine. I'm thinking specifically of "Roller Skating Child" as the best example of the drums causing holes in the music. And I said the drums distract from the power of the music, not that the drums lack power. You can bang as powerfully as you want on a drum, it's the rhythm that counts, not the power.
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Post by WillJC on Mar 31, 2022 3:32:20 GMT -5
"Good Time," "Honkin' Down the Highway," and "Ding Dang" aren't even from Love You sessions, so of course the drums are fine. I'm thinking specifically of "Roller Skating Child" as the best example of the drums causing holes in the music. And I said the drums distract from the power of the music, not that the drums lack power. You can bang as powerfully as you want on a drum, it's the rhythm that counts, not the power. Honkin' Down the Highway is very much from the Love You sessions.
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