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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 13:18:08 GMT -5
Three hand arrangements for two people at one piano.
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Post by John Manning on Sept 17, 2021 13:43:14 GMT -5
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 17, 2021 13:49:25 GMT -5
I don't know what the various media you are all listening in but the tidal application version at least is really muddy and muffled. And this is of course a very high bitrate and an excellent way to stream, so I'm wondering whether the recording itself is just not very good and not very clear and not very sharp. Yeah, it appears that the piano has been put through some sort of high pass filter, makes it sound almost underwater |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 14:11:00 GMT -5
Considering how brutally ignorant and I daresay on certain occasions young, are the authors of these various pieces and so-called journals I wouldn't be surprised if we saw someone report that Brian Wilson is currently considering forming the band to write and perform surf music in Southern California.
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Post by Autotune on Sept 17, 2021 15:52:15 GMT -5
Is it just me, or BW is the only major artist whose fans question the authenticity and his involvement upon the release of every single new product?
How many fans have questioned if this is actually Brian playing?
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Post by monolithic on Sept 17, 2021 16:12:26 GMT -5
Is it just me, or BW is the only major artist whose fans question the authenticity and his involvement upon the release of every single new product?How many fans have questioned if this is actually Brian playing? No, it can happen to older performers. And, to be fair, when Brian's management started putting "Produced by Brian Wilson" on releases like Live at the Roxy it was only natural that people were going to start asking questions. Anyhow, I look forward to hearing the album and, while it may not be something that anyone had really been demanding, hopefully it will have some moments of interest. |
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Post by Al Smith on Sept 17, 2021 19:24:31 GMT -5
Is it just me, or BW is the only major artist whose fans question the authenticity and his involvement upon the release of every single new product? How many fans have questioned if this is actually Brian playing? It's not just you and it's friggin' baffling isn't it? Not to mention insulting to Brian and a depressing read on a fan board. To me, Brian and his creative team, in this case I would assume mainly Darian, have set out to do something a little different that celebrates the legacy but also reflects what may be of appeal to Brian himself today. So, it may not sound like Brian playing - whatever that means. Do we mean Brian's playing from 1964, or on the Love You demos etc. People can change and grow, it's a strange and rare phenomenon but has been known to happen. On the basis of one song being released - an instrumental - the speculative dialogue is immediately it's not Brian, I hope JT isn't involved. In the face of proof from published credits and a verification from Adam's contact (who is pretty easy to figure out if you've been watching Pet Squares), I hope we can move away from the pessimism and look forward to understanding more about this album as/when it comes out. And if have to read any "Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Brian fan, but..." posts, ka-pow! |
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Post by Custom Machine on Sept 17, 2021 20:19:09 GMT -5
I've gotta agree with The Professor and TelephoneBGsOnAClearDay, the God Only Knows piano track sounds almost like Brian was playing at the bottom of a well. Way too much bass coupled with too much reverb, IMO.
Since there are three individuals listed as recording engineers, I'm hopeful that some of the other tracks will be more sonically appealing. The mixing engineer could have done a lot to improve the sound of this track by significantly reducing the bass and increasing the high end.
That being said, I'll buy this album, if for no other reason than to support new recordings by Brian Wilson. Plus it's enjoyable listening.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Sept 17, 2021 21:14:27 GMT -5
Is it just me, or BW is the only major artist whose fans question the authenticity and his involvement upon the release of every single new product? How many fans have questioned if this is actually Brian playing? Definitely just you. Fake Live performances and ghostwriting accusations have ended several careers in the past, Brian is definitely far from getting any special treatment here. Not that I think Brian is being forced to do anything, because I don’t and I find those accusations to be frankly ridiculous, but do I think he would have made this album completely on his own? Absolutely not. So no, Brian is far, far from the only artist to have the authenticity of their work questioned. Some of it is completely unfair, some of it is understandable. As for this album, I completely understand if someone questions how much Brian actually had to do with it. |
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Post by karmafrog on Sept 17, 2021 21:33:42 GMT -5
I just finally heard "God Only Knows" and enjoyed it more than I thought I would (not being a fan of this kind of thing in general)...just hearing all those different little counterpoints on one instrument made me appreciate again the harmonic complexity of the original arrangements.
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Post by jds on Sept 17, 2021 23:01:16 GMT -5
If 'GOK' is anything to go by, how'd they get Brian so 'relaxed' on a piano? He is normally 'wham' and 'bam' and uses it more as a tool to explain, than actually 'sit and play'. Unlike others, I'm very curious to hear the rest of the album and where his piano chops are these days. I hope they don't remove too many of Brian's great piano 'isms' that make him unique to his sound.
I'll certainly pick up the vinyl, just for the cover alone.
He's usually not trying to carry the melody line on piano, is he?. A lot of what we consider Brian's "style" from the very beginning is his conscious use of percussive keyboard as backing for him to sing over. The 60s solo piano performances of Surf's Up wouldn't be compositionally complete without him singing the melody over it. What's being done with this album is new territory in that respect. |
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Post by jds on Sept 17, 2021 23:08:56 GMT -5
I've gotta agree with The Professor and TelephoneBGsOnAClearDay, the God Only Knows piano track sounds almost like Brian was playing at the bottom of a well. Way too much bass coupled with too much reverb, IMO. If I had to guess, they're evoking George Winston channeled through Spector dynamics. |
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Sept 17, 2021 23:42:55 GMT -5
If 'GOK' is anything to go by, how'd they get Brian so 'relaxed' on a piano? He is normally 'wham' and 'bam' and uses it more as a tool to explain, than actually 'sit and play'. Unlike others, I'm very curious to hear the rest of the album and where his piano chops are these days. I hope they don't remove too many of Brian's great piano 'isms' that make him unique to his sound.
I'll certainly pick up the vinyl, just for the cover alone.
He's usually not trying to carry the melody line on piano, is he?. A lot of what we consider Brian's "style" from the very beginning is his conscious use of percussive keyboard as backing for him to sing over. The 60s solo piano performances of Surf's Up wouldn't be compositionally complete without him singing the melody over it. What's being done with this album is new territory in that respect. There is that great almost unconsidered side of Brian's playing that is easily forgotten. All those early surf records, like the instrumentals, with Brian's piano/organ solo's, I mean, they are great to listen to. Imagine seeing Brian back in the day say, 1964, having him rock out on a Piano at a Beach Boys show? It's something we don't have and have never seen! Seems many are underestimating this album, but I wouldn't count Brian out just yet, he may have a few surprises in him yet. What would be really neat to see right about now, a quick 'making of' EPK on YouTube. A look into the reasoning why, some recording footage, and why this should appeal to the masses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 0:01:04 GMT -5
Some of my very favorite recordings are the two songs I think, or was it three,they did at Rolling Stone, so the best thing I could ever imagine is a unplugged Beach Boys with Al and Dave on guitar Brian on the piano Bruce on the base Mike with a tambourine, just doing a great unplugged show
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Post by donnylang on Sept 18, 2021 0:02:40 GMT -5
Brian as phantom “producer” began with MIU Album, which he apparently “Executive Produced”.
I’m not exactly sure what this entailed, but based on the results- I would guess it was something like Al asking, “Hey Brian, can you listen to this and let me know if you have any ideas?”. To which Brian said, “it sounds fine.”
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Post by AGD on Sept 18, 2021 0:27:35 GMT -5
Is it just me, or BW is the only major artist whose fans question the authenticity and his involvement upon the release of every single new product? How many fans have questioned if this is actually Brian playing? Far too many. There's some so-called "fans" over on a Facebook group who are sure it's not him. I told them it was, because a source I trust implicitly told me it was, every last note, and they implied I was being lied to. Darian doesn't lie. Is it Brian sitting down and playing the whole thing front to back, one take ? Of course not, unless he's grown at least one extra arm. But if Darian tells me it's all Brian, then it's all Brian. End of conversation. More than usually, I'm hoping the liners have some technical notes. |
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Post by AGD on Sept 18, 2021 0:31:09 GMT -5
On the basis of one song being released - an instrumental - the speculative dialogue is immediately it's not Brian, I hope JT isn't involved.That part gets my vote. Given that this project doesn't involve a cache of bits and bobs recorded back in the late 90s, of course he's not ! |
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Post by karmafrog on Sept 18, 2021 0:35:59 GMT -5
I've never known him to be untruthful, either. If it's all Brian, per Darian, then that's what it is. After actually hearing a whole track I don't find it that unbelievable. There's nothing there that he *technically* can't do, and we know Brian is very amenable to suggestion if he thinks he should alter his approach for the marketplace or some other reason.
We're in an age where a raw performance can be shaped/transformed in any number of ways, and also an age where there's very few ways for record companies to cobble together enough of an audience to make money. Clearly, someone somewhere thought this was a concept, and a sonic approach, for which there was a market. That market wasn't necessarily hardcore fans.
EDIT: With this post I have become a dude/dudette! Neat! Likin' it.
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Post by John Manning on Sept 18, 2021 1:36:17 GMT -5
Surprised no one’s yet pointed out that none of The Beach Boys play their own instruments, it’s all done by the Wrecking Crew. And the Andrew’s Sisters do the vocals.
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Post by Steve Mayo on Sept 18, 2021 2:36:44 GMT -5
At this moment here are some bragging rights for brian’s camp The cd is at # 12 on amazon with a best seller banner. Even better they can claim he has a #1 record as the cd is #1 on the classical chart with the vinyl record at #2.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Sept 18, 2021 2:58:03 GMT -5
Just ordered my copy!
Woop Woop!
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Post by E on Sept 18, 2021 3:44:27 GMT -5
If 'GOK' is anything to go by, how'd they get Brian so 'relaxed' on a piano? He is normally 'wham' and 'bam' and uses it more as a tool to explain, than actually 'sit and play'. Unlike others, I'm very curious to hear the rest of the album and where his piano chops are these days. I hope they don't remove too many of Brian's great piano 'isms' that make him unique to his sound.
I'll certainly pick up the vinyl, just for the cover alone.
He's usually not trying to carry the melody line on piano, is he?. A lot of what we consider Brian's "style" from the very beginning is his conscious use of percussive keyboard as backing for him to sing over. The 60s solo piano performances of Surf's Up wouldn't be compositionally complete without him singing the melody over it. What's being done with this album is new territory in that respect. And it's probably wrong to imply that a guy who's been playing piano for, um, 70 odd years, hasn't learned anything... Mind, that cover is pretty awful. |
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Post by billgoodman on Sept 18, 2021 3:58:31 GMT -5
It sounds totally Brian to me. It's not like it's a very sophisticated version of GOK to begin with.
And some of you have very good sources that I trust completely.
Wouldn't it be great if he does another Brian falls into a piano-version as a hidden bonus track?
Do I need this record? No, not really. Will I buy it? Yes!
Now let's hope this sell well and he will do a Love You-sequel. Maybe some tacky synth versions too.
I'm all up for it.
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Post by Al Smith on Sept 18, 2021 4:13:01 GMT -5
On the basis of one song being released - an instrumental - the speculative dialogue is immediately it's not Brian, I hope JT isn't involved.That part gets my vote. Given that this project doesn't involve a cache of bits and bobs recorded back in the late 90s, of course he's not ! LOL - mine too, however, as you may have figured out, it’s a general comment about the shoot first, ask later mentality around anything Brian. And the crackpots are kicking off on Facebook, on cue! |
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Post by Al Smith on Sept 18, 2021 6:38:03 GMT -5
I've never known him to be untruthful, either. If it's all Brian, per Darian, then that's what it is. After actually hearing a whole track I don't find it that unbelievable. There's nothing there that he *technically* can't do, and we know Brian is very amenable to suggestion if he thinks he should alter his approach for the marketplace or some other reason. We're in an age where a raw performance can be shaped/transformed in any number of ways, and also an age where there's very few ways for record companies to cobble together enough of an audience to make money. Clearly, someone somewhere thought this was a concept, and a sonic approach, for which there was a market. That market wasn't necessarily hardcore fans. EDIT: With this post I have become a dude/dudette! Neat! Likin' it.Dude, you’ll be A Big Kahuna before you know it! |
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