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Post by Paul JB on Oct 3, 2021 16:48:00 GMT -5
“In short, I’m not buying for a minute that such a lousy ass album cover design would have even been thought of let alone mocked up before an album master was in the can or even close to being ready.” Well, they do have a history of designing album covers long before an album master was in the can or even close to being ready. View AttachmentNo, you are looking at the history the wrong way. What they did was rush out album covers when the music WAS ready. Pet Sounds was a rush job and off they went to the San Diego Zoo. Has the name Pet in a song… let’s find animals! Alan was left off the cover of Summer Days…another rush job.. couldn’t wait for Al. Smile art was being designed to build on the songs that were finished and the back cover slick is what a true mock up would look like. For crying out loud Good Vibrations was already a smash hit and is plastered all over the Smile cover. The album WAS thought to be nearly ready and in the can for January 1967 until… you know the rest. They were hurrying to get the cover done. This ridiculous thing is just words in an oversized font with someone’s else’s tunes listed as placeholders. There is no purpose whatsoever to have any art department at Warner’s mock that up. There is nothing whatsoever that I’ve heard anyone discuss here concerning this Landlocked artwork that is corroborated by anything other than Riley saying as such well past 1970. Unless I’m missing something. |
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Post by petsite on Oct 3, 2021 17:31:16 GMT -5
“In short, I’m not buying for a minute that such a lousy ass album cover design would have even been thought of let alone mocked up before an album master was in the can or even close to being ready.” Well, they do have a history of designing album covers long before an album master was in the can or even close to being ready. View AttachmentNo, you are looking at the history the wrong way. What they did was rush out album covers when the music WAS ready. Pet Sounds was a rush job and off they went to the San Diego Zoo. Has the name Pet in a song… let’s find animals! Alan was left off the cover of Summer Days…another rush job.. couldn’t wait for Al. Smile art was being designed to build on the songs that were finished and the back cover slick is what a true mock up would look like. For crying out loud Good Vibrations was already a smash hit and is plastered all over the Smile cover. The album WAS thought to be nearly ready and in the can for January 1967 until… you know the rest. They were hurrying to get the cover done. This ridiculous thing is just words in an oversized font with someone’s else’s tunes listed as placeholders. There is no purpose whatsoever to have any art department at Warner’s mock that up. There is nothing whatsoever that I’ve heard anyone discuss here concerning this Landlocked artwork that is corroborated by anything other than Riley saying as such well past 1970. Unless I’m missing something. True. Again, my whole premise that I started was just to say Jack gave us the title LANDLOCKED. We didn't, as so many have said, make that title up out of thin air. I once read that fans back in the 1970s made up LANDLOCKED to go with the photo from the interior of SU jacket. The image of the arid landscape. To which I say again, we did not. Jack gave us that title.
The reason I am being so bullheaded about this is because of the FEEL FLOWS box and re-reading the mis-statements that say LANDLOCKED came out of the fevered minds of fans as NO ONE ASSOCIATED WITH THE GROUP EVER USED SUCH A TITLE. I have read statements like that forever. I am waiting for the 15 Big Ones era box to be done and people start to say NO ONE EVER SAID IT WAS TO BE A 2 LP SET or NO ONE EVER SAID TO CALL IT GROUP THERAPY. It will happen because some younger (and not so young) writers think THEY KNOW EVERYTHING about the group and won't do their research. Hell, Milward in his 1986 book talked about GOOD TIMIN' being the opening cut from the 1978 LP MIU. How stupid it that. Know your subject before you write.
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Post by boogieboarder on Oct 3, 2021 21:05:09 GMT -5
“In short, I’m not buying for a minute that such a lousy ass album cover design would have even been thought of let alone mocked up before an album master was in the can or even close to being ready.” Well, they do have a history of designing album covers long before an album master was in the can or even close to being ready. View AttachmentNo, you are looking at the history the wrong way. What they did was rush out album covers when the music WAS ready. Pet Sounds was a rush job and off they went to the San Diego Zoo. Has the name Pet in a song… let’s find animals! Alan was left off the cover of Summer Days…another rush job.. couldn’t wait for Al. Smile art was being designed to build on the songs that were finished and the back cover slick is what a true mock up would look like. For crying out loud Good Vibrations was already a smash hit and is plastered all over the Smile cover. The album WAS thought to be nearly ready and in the can for January 1967 until… you know the rest. They were hurrying to get the cover done. This ridiculous thing is just words in an oversized font with someone’s else’s tunes listed as placeholders. There is no purpose whatsoever to have any art department at Warner’s mock that up. There is nothing whatsoever that I’ve heard anyone discuss here concerning this Landlocked artwork that is corroborated by anything other than Riley saying as such well past 1970. Unless I’m missing something. I agree, but I would add that Capitol seemed to really pressure bands for albums before they were ready - thus you get album covers with “See label for playing order,” and obvious filler songs added just to get an album out the door on a schedule. |
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Post by Paul JB on Oct 3, 2021 21:17:30 GMT -5
I agree with you and thanks for clarifying. I do think the fan base built on what Riley said and some fans get their facts wrong as well.
I’m mostly just hung up on that artwork for a variety of reasons. Like I remain adamant about that picture of Brian with the fake mirror image, like I was adamant Brian is maybe 6’ 3” at best, this thing seems like a fan created piece. I know a few things about printing as I do about photography having worked in both fields. The size of that Landlocked piece, 12.25 x 15……if I recall that was the size of some standard out of the box full sheet halftone sheets of film we used with offset presses. I believe the same stuff would have been used in the litho process as well but I’m not positive. They key takeaway for me is that…say I wanted to run a hundred album covers for a bootleg based on the image in Leaf’s book…I would have simply typed up what I saw in the book and printed black letters on white paper like you would do any standard letter or message on a xerox or inkjet or what have you, exposed the paper image onto film in the darkroom, burned a plate with the exact thing that was sold, and printed my 100 album covers. I could have easily made that and printed album slicks years ago. It’s even easier now with desktop publishing.
I’m not saying I know that’s what that piece is but something along those lines is my educated guess. Maybe someone wanted to do just what I laid out or wanted to create posters for fun.. who knows. Mainly because the entire reason for it existing makes no logical sense. And if by chance someone does produce the ad from Rolling Stone (should not be that hard as someone has a copy of every issue) the piece we are looking at here was not the film used for that unless it was a full page ad. Bottom line is the 1970 mock up is a Riley fish tale IMO and this thing came later as result of that fish tale.
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Post by Micha on Oct 12, 2021 23:57:38 GMT -5
I think one of the main reasons the collection of leftover tracks mistakenly referred to as "Landlocked" was believed to be an actual album is that Desper sequenced them in a way that really made them seem like an album. Most of the tracks are great and they flow perfectly. If released minus the unfinished Til I Die, it would be my favorite 70s BB album.
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Post by craigslowinski on Oct 13, 2021 7:27:54 GMT -5
I think one of the main reasons the collection of leftover tracks mistakenly referred to as "Landlocked" was believed to be an actual album is that Desper sequenced them in a way that really made them seem like an album. Most of the tracks are great and they flow perfectly. If released minus the unfinished Til I Die, it would be my favorite 70s BB album. Has Desper actually said that this collection of songs was not intended as an album submission, or just that it wasn't titled "Landlocked"? We have the quote from Carl stating that it wasn't an "album", but what of Desper? |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Oct 13, 2021 21:08:48 GMT -5
I think one of the main reasons the collection of leftover tracks mistakenly referred to as "Landlocked" was believed to be an actual album is that Desper sequenced them in a way that really made them seem like an album. Most of the tracks are great and they flow perfectly. If released minus the unfinished Til I Die, it would be my favorite 70s BB album. Agree, put the finished til I die on there, and you have yourself a solid album. But I do have to agree with Jack here, it would have been a solid album for the fans, but would have done nothing to help their public image. Loop De Loop, HELP is On The Way, I just got my pay and good time would have been laughed at in 1971, sorry to say. Amazing tracks but not what gets you played on college campuses and up to number 29 on the charts. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Oct 13, 2021 21:11:21 GMT -5
Wait, are you saying that JR is not to be believed in everything he says? Oh my, that totally changes my world view about the group. Wow..............
As they say on TV - THAT WAS SARCASM!
One thing that always bothered me back in the day about SU the LP. I truly love the LP, but I liked SUNFLOWER more. But people would tell me back them lines like BUT BOB, SURF'S UP IS COOL! IT'S HAPPENING AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT REAL ISSUES. As I said back then about all "music with a message"......yawn. Here is why. The message becomes more important than the music. Dylan is credited as a great songwriter, a genus talent. His lyrics were truly special. But his melodies were........there. And repetitious. You could not say that about the Beach Boys. When the Beatles got into elaborate word play, their tunes just seemed to wander. The tightness was gone. It's why I like what they did on GET BACK. That LP brought back tight tracks and still had fun word play. SMILE had that wordplay, but the melodies were on another level, something others could not seem to do.
I kind of have to disagree here, the message of Don’t Go Near The Water, Student Demonstration Time, and a day in the life of a tree almost gets lost in the beauty of the music for me. I don’t listen to Student Demonstration Time because it’s a message song, I listen to it because it absolutely slaps. |
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Post by Stephen W. Desper on Oct 14, 2021 10:33:49 GMT -5
I think one of the main reasons the collection of leftover tracks mistakenly referred to as "Landlocked" was believed to be an actual album is that Desper sequenced them in a way that really made them seem like an album. Most of the tracks are great and they flow perfectly. If released minus the unfinished Til I Die, it would be my favorite 70s BB album. Has Desper actually said that this collection of songs was not intended as an album submission, or just that it wasn't titled "Landlocked"? We have the quote from Carl stating that it wasn't an "album", but what of Desper?
End of the Trail painting (print) use to hang in Murry Wilson's office behind his desk, as Brian recalls from his childhood. Brian always like the painting as it was part of Denny's, Carl's and his youth. Do not discard this story when trying to figure out why Surf's Up has the cover it does.
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Post by petsite on Oct 14, 2021 12:06:17 GMT -5
Thanks again for your insight sir. It is so great to get insight from someone who was there!
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Post by nts1drums on Oct 14, 2021 14:05:38 GMT -5
A great honor to have such people appear here! Thank you SWD for all of your contributions!
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Post by ohm on Oct 14, 2021 14:49:21 GMT -5
Does SWD's book 'Recording The BBs' exist in any physical format?
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