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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 17:03:17 GMT -5
Having read through thought I check the Eagles and they even have Bernie Leadon(played on 4 albums) and Don Felder(sacked from the band by Henley) Another one The Dave Clark 5, even though they received more votes than Grandmaster flash, Grandmaster were inducted..its a carve up.
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Post by ian on Jun 10, 2021 22:31:25 GMT -5
Dave Clark five are in the hall of fame now
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 11, 2021 10:46:03 GMT -5
I have heard there are two common bumps in becoming a part of the R&RHoF. 1) The core band members get to decide who to invite, then 2) someone has to pay for each inductee. So, if you are chosen to be invited, it's like $25k or something that someone has to pay for each inductee. Many times, secondary members are invited, but don't feel like coughing up the cash. Was this process in place in 1988 or did it come along later? The R'n'RHoF was still a new institution when the BB's class was inducted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 11:21:56 GMT -5
I have heard there are two common bumps in becoming a part of the R&RHoF. 1) The core band members get to decide who to invite, then 2) someone has to pay for each inductee. So, if you are chosen to be invited, it's like $25k or something that someone has to pay for each inductee. Many times, secondary members are invited, but don't feel like coughing up the cash. Was this process in place in 1988 or did it come along later? The R'n'RHoF was still a new institution when the BB's class was inducted. I've been searching high and low for the 25grand inductees fee and all I've found so far is this by The Sex Pistol, the snub letter they sent.. Letter in full below. "Next to the SEX-PISTOLS rock and roll and that hall of fame is a piss stain. Your museum. Urine in wine. Were not coming. Were not your monkey and so what? Fame at $25,000 if we paid for a table, or $15000 to squeak up in the gallery, goes to a non-profit organisation selling us a load of old famous. Congradulations. If you voted for us, hope you noted your reasons. Your anonymous as judges, but your still music industry people. Were not coming. Your not paying attention. Outside the shit-stem is a real SEX PISTOL."
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Post by Mikie on Jun 11, 2021 11:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jun 11, 2021 12:29:53 GMT -5
Bruce and Dave should both be in there. No excuse for them not to be. Isn’t every single member of The Grateful Dead in the hall? Even members who joined deep into their career?
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 11, 2021 15:28:48 GMT -5
I have heard there are two common bumps in becoming a part of the R&RHoF. 1) The core band members get to decide who to invite, then 2) someone has to pay for each inductee. So, if you are chosen to be invited, it's like $25k or something that someone has to pay for each inductee. Many times, secondary members are invited, but don't feel like coughing up the cash. Sounds like a shakedown to me. There are no sponsors/advertisers?
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 12, 2021 0:10:11 GMT -5
To throw some water into the fire, just how important or respected is the RRHOF anymore anyway? Every year that goes by, there seems to be less interest or focus on it.
It doesn't help when they are inducting artists that are clearly a long way down the line to many others, and every year the event is held, there is always confusion and a lot of 'WTF'?'s from the spectators.
It seems it's more of an industry event now for those involved, and not for the punters. To keep an open mind on it though, Bruce and David I believe should have some acknowledgement in the RRHOF, of course! It's probably some political BS, because for the life of me, can someone tell me why Dick Dale isn't in the RRHOF? Apart from his musical influence on many bands, he collaborated with Leo Fender to make 'THE' first High Powered 100 Watt guitar amplifier! If that ain't a part of the development and history of Rock n Roll, then I don't know what is...
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Post by E on Jun 12, 2021 3:36:39 GMT -5
To throw some water into the fire, just how important or respected is the RRHOF anymore anyway?
This.
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Post by robin on Jun 12, 2021 23:36:04 GMT -5
Yeah, the RRHOF is definitely a "not-so-hot mess." Dave and Bruce should be included with the BBs, but so many others have also been snubbed. One example: the Shangri-Las. Indelible, notorious, influential, with a wide range of great tunes--mostly anchored by the fantastic Mary Weiss...
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 13, 2021 0:40:23 GMT -5
By the way-Bruce was at the 1988 ceremonies and is visible in the footage of the jam session that night-when Barbara Ann, satisfaction, stand by me, I saw her standing there and like a rolling stone amongst others were played From Bruce: They (RRHOF) sheepishly sent this to me after they figured out that R & R Hall Of Fame Inductee Ronnie Wood (member of the Stones since 1976) was included in the Stones induction but 1965 Bruce was asked to remain at the table! I was so upset at the 1988 NYC BB induction that I went back home to Montecito and polished my Grammy! Attachments:
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Post by mattbbtalk on Jun 13, 2021 7:43:16 GMT -5
Wow David, that is crazy!
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Post by filledeplage on Jun 13, 2021 9:22:00 GMT -5
By the way-Bruce was at the 1988 ceremonies and is visible in the footage of the jam session that night-when Barbara Ann, satisfaction, stand by me, I saw her standing there and like a rolling stone amongst others were played From Bruce: They (RRHOF) sheepishly sent this to me after they figured out that R & R Hall Of Fame Inductee Ronnie Wood (member of the Stones since 1976) was included in the Stones induction but 1965 Bruce was asked to remain at the table! I was so upset at the 1988 NYC BB induction that I went back home to Montecito and polished my Grammy! Good for him! HOF sounds pretty self-appointed to me at this point, as the arbiters of music quality and reeks of industry politics. Press and marketing opportunities, and TV coverage - sort of self-dealing and self-promotion. This does remind me of some old TV commercial where the concept was, “Never let them see you sweat.” It is also bizarre that Dave, as a founder, was not included as well if they claim to look back 25 years as a criteria for inclusion. Didn’t Chicago have video of Kath and Cetera, included, and recognize that they were crucial cornerstone members as well?
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 13, 2021 11:18:15 GMT -5
So, where’s Jan and Dean? Come on. Why aren’t Jan Berry and Dean Torrence ever nominated?
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Post by Emdeeh on Jun 13, 2021 11:24:10 GMT -5
Or Jethro Tull?
I'm very glad to see Bruce was included after all, wonder if David has received something similar.
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 13, 2021 12:32:52 GMT -5
According to the official rock and roll hall of fame website, The Beach Boys were inducted to the Hall of Fame in 1988 as “performers.” The members inducted as “performers” are listed as Mike, Dennis, Carl, Brian, and Al. Given that Bruce had been performing with the band for 23 years in 1988, and Brian considerably less (and was no longer performing in the band) - Bruce Johnston is far more qualified to have been inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1988 as a performer than Brian Wilson. www.rockhall.com/inductees/beach-boys
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Post by ian on Jun 13, 2021 16:13:45 GMT -5
Yeah-the hall was funny the first few years-they didn’t induct Cindy birdsong -who replaced Florence Ballard in the supremes in 1967 either. But in 1989 they inducted mick Taylor and Ron wood along with the original Stones. Also I recall that the temptations induction also included Dennis Edwards-who joined in 1968 after David Ruffin left
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Post by mattbbtalk on Jun 15, 2021 10:07:00 GMT -5
That is hot take! Bruce may have performed more, but there would no performances without Brian in my opinion. But I definitely think Bruce should have been included originally. It really does not make any sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 15:59:09 GMT -5
That is hot take! Bruce may have performed more, but there would no performances without Brian in my opinion. But I definitely think Bruce should have been included originally. It really does not make any sense to me. That argument made me think of Pink Floyd. Syd Barrett.. He left the band after 3 years but was inducted..Maybe the honour is actually not being inducted.. 😉 Esp if Mike Love is given a Mike..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 15:59:49 GMT -5
That is hot take! Bruce may have performed more, but there would no performances without Brian in my opinion. But I definitely think Bruce should have been included originally. It really does not make any sense to me. That argument made me think of Pink Floyd. Syd Barrett.. He left the band after 3 years but was inducted..Maybe the honour is actually not being inducted.. 😉 Esp if Mike Love is allowed to speak..
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jun 15, 2021 16:58:29 GMT -5
That is hot take! Bruce may have performed more, but there would no performances without Brian in my opinion. But I definitely think Bruce should have been included originally. It really does not make any sense to me. Bruce is one of only three humans in the world who are singing on God Only Knows. Omission by idiocy is the only explanation.
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Post by boogieboarder on Jun 15, 2021 17:18:26 GMT -5
That is hot take! Bruce may have performed more, but there would no performances without Brian in my opinion. But I definitely think Bruce should have been included originally. It really does not make any sense to me. Well, of course - there'd be no Beach Boys without Brian. But Bruce's contributions to the band were considerable, as has been pointed out. Background singer, lead singer, songwriter, producer. What else are you supposed to do to qualify as a member?
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Post by John Manning on Jun 19, 2021 4:32:35 GMT -5
By sheer happenstance, I wound up being the fan who told Bruce, Al, and Mike that the Beach Boys were being inducted into the Rock 'n' Hall of Fame. I heard about their induction on a TV show the night before, and was very surprised that they'd not already been informed. Anyway, I've always thought that Bruce and David should have been inducted in 1988 and that Blondie and Ricky should be inducted as well, even if their tenures were shorter. They are / were all principals -- official Beach Boys. This. Blondie’s also been a Rolling Stones stalwart and has played with The Band, and with other respected acts. The guy’s contribution to rock culture is dynamic. Maybe Ricky will one day be inducted as a Rutle … after all, if that rip-off quartet from Liverpool can get in, the Rutles ought to be a no brainer. Is Bonnie Raitt a member of the Hall of Fame?
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