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Post by nts1drums on May 4, 2021 13:09:53 GMT -5
I’ll start this question off.
Has there ever been a list regarding the string players on stuff like the Bridge Over Troubled Water, the orchestra in Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In, and other stuff? I’m in a Wrecking Crew kick right now.
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Post by jk on May 7, 2021 12:55:24 GMT -5
I’ll start this question off. Has there ever been a list regarding the string players on stuff like the Bridge Over Troubled Water, the orchestra in Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In, and other stuff? I’m in a Wrecking Crew kick right now. Hi nts, Sorry for the late response but I've been away. I'll be quite busy for the next week or so but I'll see what I can do. And I'll ask at my other forum, where the General Music Section is a lot less sparsely populated!
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Post by jk on May 8, 2021 8:21:13 GMT -5
nts1drums, I've been thinking... I'd say Joshilyn Hoisington is the best person to ask, as her sphere of interest extends much further than just (!) the Boys. More importantly, she has a keen interest in (and wide knowledge of) session musicians in general and out of anyone here should be able to point you in one or other direction.
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Post by nts1drums on May 8, 2021 9:30:28 GMT -5
nts1drums, I've been thinking... I'd say Joshilyn Hoisington is the best person to ask, as her sphere of interest extends much further than just (!) the Boys. More importantly, she has a keen interest in (and wide knowledge of) session musicians in general and out of anyone here should be able to point you in one or other direction. I’ll do that! Thanks!
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on May 8, 2021 10:10:38 GMT -5
nts1drums , I've been thinking... I'd say Joshilyn Hoisington is the best person to ask, as her sphere of interest extends much further than just (!) the Boys. More importantly, she has a keen interest in (and wide knowledge of) session musicians in general and out of anyone here should be able to point you in one or other direction. Well, I do my best. This brings up an interesting sort of perspective about the nested unsungness of the string players even within the unsung session players. The orchestral players get so much less recognition. People like Hal, Larry Knechtel, Carol, Steve Douglas, Joe Osborn, Tommy, etc -- they've achieved a certain level of visibility in music circles, if not fame. But the string sections and orchestral musicians get a lot less love. Another factor here is that because of the Beach Boys relative importance, they've been bootlegged really extensively, and people like McParland and Slowinski have really gone after getting the documentation through official channels. For whatever reason, an act like Simon and Garfunkel have not had such rabid documentation mongers in their corner. Is there even like, an official backing track to Bridge Over Troubled Water? Anyway, if an AFM sheet isn't out there (and it's probably not, unless it's a Beach Boys sheet, or some of the ones on Denny Tedesco's site, or one of the other random ones that's made it out of the Local 47's archive, it's not possible to know the exact make-up of a string section. I think the place to start would be to look at similar instances or make connections through people. So in the case of Aquarius, you can see that on Stoned Soul Picnic (whose AFM is on Tedesco's site www.wreckingcrewfilm.com/afmcontracts/5thDimension_StonedSoulPicnic.pdf last page) used Sid Sharpe to contract the strings, and he probably went after similar people for Aquarius. As for Bridge, that's tricky because from what I can tell, the S&G documentation is pretty sparse. But, since Jimmy Haskell and Ernie Freeman were involved in the string arrangements, there's no reason to think that it would not be a pretty orthodox line-up of the usual suspects. Not sure if it was a Sharpe, session, but it certainly could have been.
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Post by nts1drums on May 21, 2021 17:40:07 GMT -5
This might not get answered, but I’ve heard of two things.
Topic: the melodica on From Now On (just discovered there’s two)
On Wikipedia, the credit for the melodica on From Now On by Supertramp lists Rick Davies. However some other websites I’ve seen (including the Wikipedia page for the use of the instrument in music) credit it to John Helliwell (granted he did play it live).
The melodica only shows up in one other Supertramp song, It’s Raining Again, where’s it’s confirmed to be Rick Davies.
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Post by jk on May 22, 2021 3:34:23 GMT -5
This might not get answered, but I’ve heard of two things. Topic: the melodica on From Now On (just discovered there’s two) On Wikipedia, the credit for the melodica on From Now On by Supertramp lists Rick Davies. However some other websites I’ve seen (including the Wikipedia page for the use of the instrument in music) credit it to John Helliwell (granted he did play it live). The melodica only shows up in one other Supertramp song, It’s Raining Again, where’s it’s confirmed to be Rick Davies. Hi nts, I sneered at Supertramp for years until I had the opportunity to listen to several of their albums on the trot and I was converted! As for "From Now On", everywhere I've looked apart from Wikipedia, Helliwell gets the credits for melodica. The problem is, the back cover of the LP credits Helliwell with " Wind instruments and vocals" and Davies with "Vocals and keyboards". So it depends on how one defines a melodica!!! Maybe reviewers have been jumping to the wrong conclusion, particularly if "It's Raining Again" is definitely Davies. So I'll stick my neck out and give him my vote.
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Post by jk on Nov 23, 2021 8:43:23 GMT -5
Playing through Daryl Hall's album Sacred Songs while dusting a shelf, it occurred to me that there can't be many pop songs with a sequence that twice alternates the major chord on the octave tonic with the major chord on the submediant -- in other words, it drops a minor third and then rises to drop it again. To illustrate it (and before my brain explodes), check out the opening vocal passage of a familiar song, the Boys’ "In My Car": The only other song I know that does this is "Don't Leave Me Alone With Her" (at 0:17) from Daryl's album: There must be plenty of songs that do this once, but not twice! Maybe you can think of another. (I'll keep thinking too.)
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