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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 2, 2021 13:36:21 GMT -5
Does anybody recognise any of the attendees, out of curiosity? Atty. Kimberly Guilfoyle and Don Jr. Also, Atty. Rudy Giuliani who just recovered from covid. I think most of them already had covid. People go out now, at their own peril. They are adults. As people get around (no pun) they are finding out, as they network, that a lot of people have already had this. Florida is less restrictive on almost every front, at the party was held there. You can barely have a funeral in NY. Florida had not collapsed and destroyed businesses and as a result - thousands are relocating there every day, and fleeing repressive states, a common thread, governed by one political party. New York City is destroyed. Many have properties, even trailer homes, in FL and are staying there rather than coming north to be under the jackboot of a dictator. The states with the greatest shutdowns have seen catastrophic business collapse (and jobs going away) including and especially, entertainment and restaurant businesses. And the most repressive have had the highest covid deaths. Each state has its own rules and regulations. Disneyworld is open in Florida, but closed in California. It all depends where you are. Wuhan had a big NYE party as well as some formal ball was held in Russia - easily searchable on YouTube. Both mask-less. Florida also just reported over 17,000 new cases. Forgive me for believing that going out maskless, to a crowded party, in Florida, which is currently breaking records at how many new cases they have, and also has been exposed to the new, more deadly mutation is socially irresponsible for not only everyone involved, but everyone that they’re around. It’s not as simple as “wear a mask if you want to, it’s your choice.” This is One of those decisions, like drunk driving, where your dumb personal decisions can affect everyone from your immediate family, to strangers who happen to pass you by. Also, comparing state governors to dictators, just because “you” don’t agree with them is absurd. Look up living conditions in North Korea, and then come back and tell me about how NY’s governor is a dictator. Sources: www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/12/31/florida-breaks-record-with-more-than-17000-coronavirus-cases-reported-in-one-day/www.fox35orlando.com/news/health-experts-believe-new-covid-19-strain-found-in-florida-more-widespread-than-knownalso, it is very much not just “one” party. khn.org/morning-breakout/state-restrictions-tighten-even-in-some-with-republican-governors/Some things are more important than Party politics |
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Post by John Manning on Jan 2, 2021 13:46:00 GMT -5
Atty. Kimberly Guilfoyle and Don Jr. Also, Atty. Rudy Giuliani who just recovered from covid. I think most of them already had covid. People go out now, at their own peril. They are adults. As people get around (no pun) they are finding out, as they network, that a lot of people have already had this. Florida is less restrictive on almost every front, at the party was held there. You can barely have a funeral in NY. Florida had not collapsed and destroyed businesses and as a result - thousands are relocating there every day, and fleeing repressive states, a common thread, governed by one political party. New York City is destroyed. Many have properties, even trailer homes, in FL and are staying there rather than coming north to be under the jackboot of a dictator. The states with the greatest shutdowns have seen catastrophic business collapse (and jobs going away) including and especially, entertainment and restaurant businesses. And the most repressive have had the highest covid deaths. Each state has its own rules and regulations. Disneyworld is open in Florida, but closed in California. It all depends where you are. Wuhan had a big NYE party as well as some formal ball was held in Russia - easily searchable on YouTube. Both mask-less. Florida also just reported over 17,000 new cases. Forgive me for believing that going out maskless, to a crowded party, in Florida, which is currently breaking records at how many new cases they have, and also has been exposed to the new, more deadly mutation is socially irresponsible for not only everyone involved, but everyone that they’re around. It’s not as simple as “wear a mask if you want to, it’s your choice.” This is One of those decisions, like drunk driving, where your dumb personal decisions can affect everyone from your immediate family, to strangers who happen to pass you by. Also, comparing state governors to dictators, just because “you” don’t agree with them is absurd. Look up living conditions in North Korea, and then come back and tell me about how NY’s governor is a dictator. Sources: www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/12/31/florida-breaks-record-with-more-than-17000-coronavirus-cases-reported-in-one-day/www.fox35orlando.com/news/health-experts-believe-new-covid-19-strain-found-in-florida-more-widespread-than-knownalso, it is very much not just “one” party. khn.org/morning-breakout/state-restrictions-tighten-even-in-some-with-republican-governors/Some things are more important than Party politics And the fact that Wuhan - China’s got next to no new cases – had a party doesn’t make Florida’s dance of death excusable. |
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Post by Cam Mott on Jan 2, 2021 14:07:53 GMT -5
Potentially deadly.
No matter how you slice it, terrible error in judgement.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 2, 2021 14:35:40 GMT -5
Florida also just reported over 17,000 new cases. Forgive me for believing that going out maskless, to a crowded party, in Florida, which is currently breaking records at how many new cases they have, and also has been exposed to the new, more deadly mutation is socially irresponsible for not only everyone involved, but everyone that they’re around. It’s not as simple as “wear a mask if you want to, it’s your choice.” This is One of those decisions, like drunk driving, where your dumb personal decisions can affect everyone from your immediate family, to strangers who happen to pass you by. Also, comparing state governors to dictators, just because “you” don’t agree with them is absurd. Look up living conditions in North Korea, and then come back and tell me about how NY’s governor is a dictator. Sources: www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/12/31/florida-breaks-record-with-more-than-17000-coronavirus-cases-reported-in-one-day/www.fox35orlando.com/news/health-experts-believe-new-covid-19-strain-found-in-florida-more-widespread-than-knownalso, it is very much not just “one” party. khn.org/morning-breakout/state-restrictions-tighten-even-in-some-with-republican-governors/Some things are more important than Party politics And the fact that Wuhan - China’s got next to no new cases – had a party doesn’t make Florida’s dance of death excusable. Who knows if the Wuhan NYE party was a photo op? We have had so many mixed messages from the outset. I happen to have seen the bulletin from Hong Kong Center for Disease Control, on New Year's Day, last year because it lands on a couple of health webs that I watch a couple of times a day. It was dismissed from the outset as nothing-to-see-here. That was untrue. I would bet that at least half of those people at that event already were vaxxed or had it. Think the White House and high-level political people, who have many contacts in the public health sphere, don't have a chance to get the vax? Many were exposed during the campaign and in various locations. I would not believe one thing coming out of that country; we have had a bunch of professors/grad students arrested, for stealing medical intellectual property with respect to cancer treatment and drug development. One, not far from where I live, involving a hospital, connected to a major university where a grad student, attempted to smuggle vials of cancer cells from patients in that hospital, found at the airport, in socks in his luggage. It is very complex, and many people think it is overkill after all the double-talk. Only the cities run by a certain political party are locked-down. But, I suspect that the party was a private, invitation-only event, and not open to the general public. The problem is that the goal-posts keep getting moved. First, it was "14 days to stop the spread" that turned into nearly a year. The vaccine developers are free (immune) from lawsuits if you get injured. And a lot of politicians are heavily invested in Big Pharma including the ones making policies to lock down and crush businesses, like restaurants and sports. Like many others, I ask myself why Walmart is open when the small stores are closed, which sell the same products? This medical lock-down, was a pretext in this country to usher in the eradication of the US Constitution, and install global currency and government. I see the UK has broken off from the EU. If you support it - Happy Brexit Day! |
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 2, 2021 14:41:15 GMT -5
Potentially deadly. No matter how you slice it, terrible error in judgement. If the state of Florida is open to do shows, then what is the problem? If you are that concerned that you might catch the virus at the show, then DON’T GO! It’s called having some COMMON SENSE. How this disease is handled in the United States is by State Government, not the Federal Government. The Governor of each state calls the shots. You may disagree how each state handles things, but that’s how it is. So far, after 9 months, not one state has given up it’s right to control how they handle the pandemic. Governors Cuomo (NY), Newsome (CA), Murphy (NJ) and Wolf (PA) run their states like Tyrants, yet they are still having outbreaks. Ask yourselves, if you live in Florida, whose rules are you going to follow? EDIT: I have asthma, live in NJ and rarely even do the few things I am allowed to do, because I’m more susceptible to contracting the ‘rona than the average person. Common sense, if you have it, please use it. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 2, 2021 15:21:02 GMT -5
Potentially deadly. No matter how you slice it, terrible error in judgement. If the state of Florida is open to do shows, then what is the problem? If you are that concerned that you might catch the virus at the show, then DON’T GO! It’s called having some COMMON SENSE. How this disease is handled in the United States is by State Government, not the Federal Government. The Governor of each state calls the shots. You may disagree how each state handles things, but that’s how it is. So far, after 9 months, not one state has given up it’s right to control how they handle the pandemic. Governors Cuomo (NY), Newsome (CA), Murphy (NJ) and Wolf (PA) run their states like Tyrants, yet they are still having outbreaks. Ask yourselves, if you live in Florida, whose rules are you going to follow? EDIT: I have asthma, live in NJ and rarely even do the few things I am allowed to do, because I’m more susceptible to contracting the ‘rona than the average person. Common sense, if you have it, please use it. Again, it’s not as simple as that. Much like drunk driving, the results of a stupid decision that one makes does not just affect the one Who made the decision. I might not have any Health problems, so if “I” contract the virus, when it comes to my own health, it might not be too big of a deal. But everyone who I come in contact with has the potential of dying. my parents, my sisters, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents, my significant other, their family, the local grocery store staff and fellow shoppers, along with all of their families, people who might live in the same apartment building as me, the apartment building staff, my coworkers, etc, etc, etc. Thinking that making a stupid decision is only going to affect “you” is one of the reasons that there’s a problem in the first place. People are just too selfish when it comes to how The spreading of this disease has been treated. |
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 2, 2021 15:55:25 GMT -5
If the state of Florida is open to do shows, then what is the problem? If you are that concerned that you might catch the virus at the show, then DON’T GO! It’s called having some COMMON SENSE. How this disease is handled in the United States is by State Government, not the Federal Government. The Governor of each state calls the shots. You may disagree how each state handles things, but that’s how it is. So far, after 9 months, not one state has given up it’s right to control how they handle the pandemic. Governors Cuomo (NY), Newsome (CA), Murphy (NJ) and Wolf (PA) run their states like Tyrants, yet they are still having outbreaks. Ask yourselves, if you live in Florida, whose rules are you going to follow? EDIT: I have asthma, live in NJ and rarely even do the few things I am allowed to do, because I’m more susceptible to contracting the ‘rona than the average person. Common sense, if you have it, please use it. Again, it’s not as simple as that. Much like drunk driving, the results of a stupid decision that one makes does not just affect the one Who made the decision. I might not have any Health problems, so if “I” contract the virus, when it comes to my own health, it might not be too big of a deal. But everyone who I come in contact with has the potential of dying. my parents, my sisters, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents, my significant other, their family, the local grocery store staff and fellow shoppers, along with all of their families, people who might live in the same apartment building as me, the apartment building staff, my coworkers, etc, etc, etc. Thinking that making a stupid decision is only going to affect “you” is one of the reasons that there’s a problem in the first place. People are just too selfish when it comes to how The spreading of this disease has been treated. It is as easy as that. I will ask you "if you live in Florida, whose rules are you going to follow?" Who do you listen to to find out when it is OK to venture out, when it is OK to get back to doing normal things? I don't know about you rainboweyez, but here in NJ I listen to Gov. Murphy and his medical staff. They are the ones in the know. In Florida, it is probably the same way. They receive updates from Gov DeSantis and from his medical staff. I do not know where you live, but I am sure you are listening to your state's information and guidelines. I do think of everyone. I think about how no one gets in trouble for breaking the rules while protesting, but people get arrested for congregating at a church. That Big Business is allowed to stay open, but Mom & Pop shops get closed and go out of business. That some businesses open around the clock, but others have a curfew. It truly amazes me how smart this virus is; it knows business size, crowd size, it knows the time of day. Human Beings are social animals. You can ask them to quarantine for short periods like 15 days to a month, but not 9 months. They just won't do it. It isn't in their nature. They will break the rules if they are kept down too long. If you expect a different result, then you are just fooling yourself. The 99% that will survive the virus are going to take chances. The odds are with them. It is us, the 1% that need to take precautions and stay safe. I never depend on other people doing what they are told to do. What you say sounds great, but with people being people, it isn't going to play out as you expect. Take your own precautions. Don't depend on other people to do what you think is best. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 2, 2021 16:11:08 GMT -5
Again, it’s not as simple as that. Much like drunk driving, the results of a stupid decision that one makes does not just affect the one Who made the decision. I might not have any Health problems, so if “I” contract the virus, when it comes to my own health, it might not be too big of a deal. But everyone who I come in contact with has the potential of dying. my parents, my sisters, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents, my significant other, their family, the local grocery store staff and fellow shoppers, along with all of their families, people who might live in the same apartment building as me, the apartment building staff, my coworkers, etc, etc, etc. Thinking that making a stupid decision is only going to affect “you” is one of the reasons that there’s a problem in the first place. People are just too selfish when it comes to how The spreading of this disease has been treated. It is as easy as that. I will ask you "if you live in Florida, whose rules are you going to follow?" Who do you listen to to find out when it is OK to venture out, when it is OK to get back to doing normal things? I don't know about you rainboweyez, but here in NJ I listen to Gov. Murphy and his medical staff. They are the ones in the know. In Florida, it is probably the same way. They receive updates from Gov DeSantis and from his medical staff. I do not know where you live, but I am sure you are listening to your state's information and guidelines. I do think of everyone. I think about how no one gets in trouble for breaking the rules while protesting, but people get arrested for congregating at a church. That Big Business is allowed to stay open, but Mom & Pop shops get closed and go out of business. That some businesses open around the clock, but others have a curfew. It truly amazes me how smart this virus is; it knows business size, crowd size, it knows the time of day. Human Beings are social animals. You can ask them to quarantine for short periods like 15 days to a month, but not 9 months. They just won't do it. It isn't in their nature. They will break the rules if they are kept down too long. If you expect a different result, then you are just fooling yourself. The 99% that will survive the virus are going to take chances. The odds are with them. It is us, the 1% that need to take precautions and stay safe. I never depend on other people doing what they are told to do. What you say sounds great, but with people being people, it isn't going to play out as you expect. Take your own precautions. Don't depend on other people to do what you think is best. I live in Michigan. Heard of our governor? She’s not exactly liked by the fans of Mike Love’s best bud and chief. But the lock downs have been way more successful than whatever Florida‘s been doing. And half of my family lives in Florida. The complete irresponsibility of the governor of Florida is well documented |
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 2, 2021 16:25:37 GMT -5
If the state of Florida is open to do shows, then what is the problem? If you are that concerned that you might catch the virus at the show, then DON’T GO! It’s called having some COMMON SENSE. How this disease is handled in the United States is by State Government, not the Federal Government. The Governor of each state calls the shots. You may disagree how each state handles things, but that’s how it is. So far, after 9 months, not one state has given up it’s right to control how they handle the pandemic. Governors Cuomo (NY), Newsome (CA), Murphy (NJ) and Wolf (PA) run their states like Tyrants, yet they are still having outbreaks. Ask yourselves, if you live in Florida, whose rules are you going to follow? EDIT: I have asthma, live in NJ and rarely even do the few things I am allowed to do, because I’m more susceptible to contracting the ‘rona than the average person. Common sense, if you have it, please use it. Again, it’s not as simple as that. Much like drunk driving, the results of a stupid decision that one makes does not just affect the one Who made the decision. I might not have any Health problems, so if “I” contract the virus, when it comes to my own health, it might not be too big of a deal. But everyone who I come in contact with has the potential of dying. my parents, my sisters, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents, my significant other, their family, the local grocery store staff and fellow shoppers, along with all of their families, people who might live in the same apartment building as me, the apartment building staff, my coworkers, etc, etc, etc. Thinking that making a stupid decision is only going to affect “you” is one of the reasons that there’s a problem in the first place. People are just too selfish when it comes to how The spreading of this disease has been treated. Drunk driving might not be the best analogy. The unreasonableness and inconsistency is the problem. "Rules for thee and not for me," as we saw Newsom mask-less at a quasi-medical event at a high end restaurant in California recently. He got caught - and he is not sorry he did what he did - in an indoor venue with medical-pharma big wheel lobbyists. He is only sorry he got caught. Babies who have no human contact often die from no mental stimulation and that goes for the elderly in long term care from not seeing family. These are the elderly who don't know how to use an ipad for FaceTime. One, I know has only seen her family 30 minutes at a time once a month starting 6 months after the lockdown - she was infirm, but knew her family names and how they were all connected. She was very conversant about her young days growing up. Now, as a result of the lock-down - she has very little recall - and knows few of her family. The lock-down crushed this dear old lady. So there was no balance here. You balance the risk with the potential harm. And with so much elder abuse - how many cases went unnoticed because no "advocates" were allowed in? And Cuomo who wants to set up internment camps for "health reasons" - yes he has a bill going for "disease carriers" to be detained. The bill is Assembly Bill A416. This is after he locked covid patients with non-covid causing at least 30,000 statewide, in nursing homes, and after he gave them all immunity so they can't be sued. The standard is "reasonableness" - and the shut downs don't conform to that standard. The big wheels have all kinds of parties - when everyone else is limited to how many can be together. The public schools are closed but the religious schools are open - and have had thousands of new students enroll all over the US - because Zoom is a joke, and kids can't afford to lose a year of learning. Were Mike and Dean "reasonable under the circumstances" to take the gig? Only they can answer that after weighing it for themselves. www.nysenate.gov//legislation/bills/2021/A416 |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 2, 2021 16:32:46 GMT -5
Again, it’s not as simple as that. Much like drunk driving, the results of a stupid decision that one makes does not just affect the one Who made the decision. I might not have any Health problems, so if “I” contract the virus, when it comes to my own health, it might not be too big of a deal. But everyone who I come in contact with has the potential of dying. my parents, my sisters, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents, my significant other, their family, the local grocery store staff and fellow shoppers, along with all of their families, people who might live in the same apartment building as me, the apartment building staff, my coworkers, etc, etc, etc. Thinking that making a stupid decision is only going to affect “you” is one of the reasons that there’s a problem in the first place. People are just too selfish when it comes to how The spreading of this disease has been treated. Drunk driving might not be the best analogy. The unreasonableness and inconsistency is the problem. "Rules for thee and not for me," as we saw Newsom mask-less at a quasi-medical event at a high end restaurant in California recently. He got caught - and he is not sorry he did what he did - in an indoor venue with medical-pharma big wheel lobbyists. He is only sorry he got caught. Babies who have no human contact often die from no mental stimulation and that goes for the elderly in long term care from not seeing family. These are the elderly who don't know how to use an ipad. One, I know has only seen her family 30 minutes at a time once a month - she was infirm but knew her family names and how they were all connected. She was very conversant about her old days growing up. Now, as a result of the lock-down - she has very little recall - and knows few of her family. The lock down crushed this dear old lady. So there was no balance here. You balance the risk with the potential harm. And with so much elder abuse - how many cases went unnoticed because no "advocates" were allowed in? And Cuomo who wants to set up internment camps for "health reasons" - yes he has a bill going for "disease carriers" to be detained. The bill is Assembly BIll A416. This is after he locked covid patients with non-covid causing at least 30,000 statewide, in nursing homes, and after he gave them all immunity so they can't be sued. The standard is "reasonableness" - and the shut downs don't conform to that standard. The big wheels have all kinds of parties - when everyone else is limited to how many can be together. The public schools are closed but the religious schools are open - and have had thousands of new students enroll all over the US - because Zoom is a joke, and kids can't afford to lose a year of learning. Were Mike and Dean "reasonable under the circumstances" to take the gig? Only they can answer that after weighing it for themselves. www.nysenate.gov//legislation/bills/2021/A416 I completely understand all that. I understand that the lockdowns are absolutely not ideal, for anyone, but especially those who require mental stimulation, like a young child, or those who are better off in an environment surrounded by family members, like an elder. but there’s a difference between trying to balance realistic goals with eradicating a virus, and holding super spreader events. One of them is understandable, one of them is just complete lunacy. |
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Post by Emdeeh on Jan 2, 2021 16:44:56 GMT -5
Could the discussion of the validity of Covid restrictions be moved to the non-BB section of the board, please? Discussion has strayed way off topic on this thread. Thanks.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 2, 2021 16:45:22 GMT -5
In a number of areas there are waste-water studies - not unlike the one in Italy, which shows, or can estimate, from the waste water, the numbers of people who already had covid, and they are significant. It was here earlier than was estimated (at least as far back as August of 2019) but went undetected, or named as covid. So, the public exposure who thought they had a small cold or no symptoms, in actual numbers is much higher - by the hundreds of thousands, than any testing has indicated.
Medicine is a business. The money and drug profits outpace nearly any industry. Guess I am a skeptic. When I see a study, I always ask "who paid for the study?" Does someone want a patent for a new drug? And, who is a stakeholder in the outcome in a study? Who benefits?
If a pharma company pays for a study, is it the same result as some nerdy geeky scientist who is on his/her own with "no dog in the fight?"
Science is supposed to be independent of money.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 2, 2021 17:25:25 GMT -5
Drunk driving might not be the best analogy. The unreasonableness and inconsistency is the problem. "Rules for thee and not for me," as we saw Newsom mask-less at a quasi-medical event at a high end restaurant in California recently. He got caught - and he is not sorry he did what he did - in an indoor venue with medical-pharma big wheel lobbyists. He is only sorry he got caught. Babies who have no human contact often die from no mental stimulation and that goes for the elderly in long term care from not seeing family. These are the elderly who don't know how to use an ipad. One, I know has only seen her family 30 minutes at a time once a month - she was infirm but knew her family names and how they were all connected. She was very conversant about her old days growing up. Now, as a result of the lock-down - she has very little recall - and knows few of her family. The lock down crushed this dear old lady. So there was no balance here. You balance the risk with the potential harm. And with so much elder abuse - how many cases went unnoticed because no "advocates" were allowed in? And Cuomo who wants to set up internment camps for "health reasons" - yes he has a bill going for "disease carriers" to be detained. The bill is Assembly BIll A416. This is after he locked covid patients with non-covid causing at least 30,000 statewide, in nursing homes, and after he gave them all immunity so they can't be sued. The standard is "reasonableness" - and the shut downs don't conform to that standard. The big wheels have all kinds of parties - when everyone else is limited to how many can be together. The public schools are closed but the religious schools are open - and have had thousands of new students enroll all over the US - because Zoom is a joke, and kids can't afford to lose a year of learning. Were Mike and Dean "reasonable under the circumstances" to take the gig? Only they can answer that after weighing it for themselves. www.nysenate.gov//legislation/bills/2021/A416 I completely understand all that. I understand that the lockdowns are absolutely not ideal, for anyone, but especially those who require mental stimulation, like a young child, or those who are better off in an environment surrounded by family members, like an elder. but there’s a difference between trying to balance realistic goals with eradicating a virus, and holding super spreader events. One of them is understandable, one of them is just complete lunacy. You say that you understand, but you don't really. In New York, over 11,000 elderly people died because of a very bad decision made by the Governor. What makes it even worse is that there were better alternatives sitting in and around NYC and due to politics ignored those alternatives. 11,000 freakin' elderly people! I don't care what the disease of the day is, people and families should not be broken apart without any say in the matter. As long as you have big business, food processor plants, meat packing plants, Amazon etc. that are opened 24/7 employ hundreds of thousands of people who interact with each other, there will always be ways to contract the virus. Protests all summer long and Antifa looting and burning cities and not once were any of them termed Super Spreader events. Nobody was distancing and not all were wearing masks. Everyone has to wear a mask to be effective according to Dr Fauci and that wasn't happening. When he was asked about it he would not term any of that as a super spreader. It is all political theatre and bullshit. The virus is real enough, but the "who has to follow the rules and who don't" is all horsebleep. How many Governors and Mayors have been caught out wearing no mask or eating out without social distancing. "Do as I say, not as I do". People need to take some responsibility and not depend on tyrants telling them what they can and cannot do. Again, we are doing all of this for less than 1% of the population (me included) who can/will die from the disease. In my lifetime I've seen some bad shit out there like AIDS, Ebola virus, terrible flu epidemics, the many different cancers out there and never, ever was anything shut down for even a single day over any of them. And some were very contagious. Hell, I'm dealing with Shingles from having Chicken Pox when I was 6. That's 57 years. Contagious as shit and not a single store or factory closed. Oh and I will move this stuff over to a new thread in the Politics sub-forum. |
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Post by Cam Mott on Jan 2, 2021 17:28:00 GMT -5
Potentially deadly. No matter how you slice it, terrible error in judgement. If the state of Florida is open to do shows, then what is the problem? If you are that concerned that you might catch the virus at the show, then DON’T GO! It’s called having some COMMON SENSE. How this disease is handled in the United States is by State Government, not the Federal Government. The Governor of each state calls the shots. You may disagree how each state handles things, but that’s how it is. So far, after 9 months, not one state has given up it’s right to control how they handle the pandemic. Governors Cuomo (NY), Newsome (CA), Murphy (NJ) and Wolf (PA) run their states like Tyrants, yet they are still having outbreaks. Ask yourselves, if you live in Florida, whose rules are you going to follow? EDIT: I have asthma, live in NJ and rarely even do the few things I am allowed to do, because I’m more susceptible to contracting the ‘rona than the average person. Common sense, if you have it, please use it. Common sense says take personal responsibility and don't create or participate in events that risk spread of the virus to others whether it is allowed or not, whether your Governor or President is a genius or an idiot, I guess. |
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 2, 2021 17:46:00 GMT -5
If the state of Florida is open to do shows, then what is the problem? If you are that concerned that you might catch the virus at the show, then DON’T GO! It’s called having some COMMON SENSE. How this disease is handled in the United States is by State Government, not the Federal Government. The Governor of each state calls the shots. You may disagree how each state handles things, but that’s how it is. So far, after 9 months, not one state has given up it’s right to control how they handle the pandemic. Governors Cuomo (NY), Newsome (CA), Murphy (NJ) and Wolf (PA) run their states like Tyrants, yet they are still having outbreaks. Ask yourselves, if you live in Florida, whose rules are you going to follow? EDIT: I have asthma, live in NJ and rarely even do the few things I am allowed to do, because I’m more susceptible to contracting the ‘rona than the average person. Common sense, if you have it, please use it. Common sense says take personal responsibility and don't create or participate in events that risk spread of the virus to others whether it is allowed or not, whether your Governor or President is a genius or an idiot, I guess. Did you read the part about people being social creatures? About the 99% who because they are social creatures are willing to risk that less than 1% chance of it killing them? I know millions of people who went to war for their countries and risked being or who were killed, but at 18 years old probably figured they would survive it. It's that human kind of social thinking. Besides, at Mara-Lago or whatever it is called, I'm betting that most there have already fought their battle with the virus. |
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jan 2, 2021 17:48:50 GMT -5
I completely understand all that. I understand that the lockdowns are absolutely not ideal, for anyone, but especially those who require mental stimulation, like a young child, or those who are better off in an environment surrounded by family members, like an elder. but there’s a difference between trying to balance realistic goals with eradicating a virus, and holding super spreader events. One of them is understandable, one of them is just complete lunacy. You say that you understand, but you don't really. In New York, over 11,000 elderly people died because of a very bad decision made by the Governor. What makes it even worse is that there were better alternatives sitting in and around NYC and due to politics ignored those alternatives. 11,000 freakin' elderly people! I don't care what the disease of the day is, people and families should not be broken apart without any say in the matter. As long as you have big business, food processor plants, meat packing plants, Amazon etc. that are opened 24/7 employ hundreds of thousands of people who interact with each other, there will always be ways to contract the virus. Protests all summer long and Antifa looting and burning cities and not once were any of them termed Super Spreader events. Nobody was distancing and not all were wearing masks. Everyone has to wear a mask to be effective according to Dr Fauci and that wasn't happening. When he was asked about it he would not term any of that as a super spreader. It is all political theatre and bullshit. The virus is real enough, but the "who has to follow the rules and who don't" is all horsebleep. How many Governors and Mayors have been caught out wearing no mask or eating out without social distancing. "Do as I say, not as I do". People need to take some responsibility and not depend on tyrants telling them what they can and cannot do. Again, we are doing all of this for less than 1% of the population (me included) who can/will die from the disease. In my lifetime I've seen some bad shit out there like AIDS, Ebola virus, terrible flu epidemics, the many different cancers out there and never, ever was anything shut down for even a single day over any of them. And some were very contagious. Hell, I'm dealing with Shingles from having Chicken Pox when I was 6. That's 57 years. Contagious as shit and not a single store or factory closed. Oh and I will move this stuff over to a new thread in the Politics sub-forum. And like every discussion that’s even somewhat related to politics, you have to incorrectly identify what/who “Antifa” are, blame protesters for the worlds problems while completely ignoring the point of the protests, and offer nothing insightful or informative other than to call governors and politicians “tyrants” while failing to realize that it could be much, much worse. This conversation is over. |
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 2, 2021 17:55:05 GMT -5
rainboweyez, let me be as clear as I can be; I don't give a shit what Antifa's fight is about when talking about Corona Virus. They didn't follow the rules and nothing happened to them for it. Not even a verbal reprimand. You can burn and destroy, but don't dare gather peacefully at a church or synagogue and pray. Put them in jail and then let other prisoners out due to spreading the virus. Makes a lot of sense.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 2, 2021 18:00:47 GMT -5
rainboweyez, let me be as clear as I can be; I don't give a shit what Antifa's fight is about when talking about Corona Virus. They didn't follow the rules and nothing happened to them for it. Not even a verbal reprimand. You can burn and destroy, but don't dare gather peacefully at a church or synagogue and pray. Put them in jail and then let other prisoners out due to spreading the virus. Makes a lot of sense. Antifa and such protestors usually seem to wear masks unlike their MAGA/religious counterparts. It’s the little details. |
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 2, 2021 18:03:46 GMT -5
rainboweyez, let me be as clear as I can be; I don't give a shit what Antifa's fight is about when talking about Corona Virus. They didn't follow the rules and nothing happened to them for it. Not even a verbal reprimand. You can burn and destroy, but don't dare gather peacefully at a church or synagogue and pray. Put them in jail and then let other prisoners out due to spreading the virus. Makes a lot of sense. Antifa and such protestors usually seem to wear masks unlike their MAGA counterparts. It’s the little details. And the looting COVID-19 germs get cleared up when they burn down the buildings. Insidiously genius! |
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 2, 2021 18:08:45 GMT -5
Antifa and such protestors usually seem to wear masks unlike their MAGA counterparts. It’s the little details. And the looting COVID-19 germs get cleared up when they burn down the buildings. Insidiously genius! And didn’t a gang of maskelss white people just try to bust down the doors of a courthouse? There are idiots everywhere and of every stripe. One wrong action doesn’t excuse another. And there are how many more dead people of this virus versus a few damaged buildings? |
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 2, 2021 18:19:44 GMT -5
Where was Bruce? Maybe there was a “No Shorts” policy? As for Covid: this is a deadly medical emergency. It’s not about your rights or my rights and there will be NO economy if everyone is dead or in the hospital. This is not a joke. And talking about how states under lockdown are still seeing cases rise is a non-point because folks are not adhering to mask wearing or any other guidelines designed for their own good. People wear a mask to Trader Joe’s, sure, but they still gather with friends etc etc. Sometimes the most free people in the world are the absolute worst at freedom. Sometimes the most free people give up there freedom a bit too easily. I don't trust a guys like Cuomo with anything. He killed 11,000 people plus and wrote a book about it. |
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 2, 2021 18:22:08 GMT -5
I’m also not trying to cheerlead ANTIFA, but if we’re talking about Covid: ANTIFA is not presenting an ongoing problem/complication/issue when it comes to Covid, unlike MAGA and religious folk or the plain ole deniers. ANTIFA is a mere blip on the radar in comparison.
Nor is any of this about freedom! Who wants to or is giving up any freedoms? It’s a fucking emergency! I’m sure some folks wanted to do their usual thing the day after the bomb hit Hiroshima, but sometimes reality intrudes upon conceptions. This is a virus. It gives not a single fuck about freedom or Cuomo or Trump or Democrat or Republican.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jan 2, 2021 18:36:49 GMT -5
I’m also not trying to cheerlead ANTIFA, but if we’re talking about Covid: ANTIFA is not presenting an ongoing problem/complication/issue when it comes to Covid, unlike MAGA and religious folk or the plain ole deniers. ANTIFA is a mere blip on the radar in comparison. Nor is any of this about freedom! Who wants to or is giving up any freedoms? It’s a fucking emergency! I’m sure some folks wanted to do their usual thing the day after the bomb hit Hiroshima, but sometimes reality intrudes upon conceptions. They are in cities all over the country. COVID kills less than 1% of the population. And the vast majority of that 1% is 60 years old or older. It's an emergency, but not shut down every small business and normal life to stop it. And yes, people will try to do their "usual thing" because they are social human beings. If it is like you say, then the whole world would already be tucked away. They are not. Who is not? The people who run countries and business that are out there doing their "usual thing". |
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Post by Cam Mott on Jan 2, 2021 18:37:37 GMT -5
Nothing's more antisocial than making people sick and or dead.
We aren't going to agree on this.
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Post by Bruce’s Shorts on Jan 2, 2021 18:38:56 GMT -5
Common sense says take personal responsibility and don't create or participate in events that risk spread of the virus to others whether it is allowed or not, whether your Governor or President is a genius or an idiot, I guess. Did you read the part about people being social creatures? About the 99% who because they are social creatures are willing to risk that less than 1% chance of it killing them? I know millions of people who went to war for their countries and risked being or who were killed, but at 18 years old probably figured they would survive it. It's that human kind of social thinking. Besides, at Mara-Lago or whatever it is called, I'm betting that most there have already fought their battle with the virus. Why would anyone 18 assume they’d survive a fucking war because of their age? Wasn’t it mostly guys around that age getting killed? This is what I’m talking about: all the mental gymnastics to deny a simple medical emergency that has zero to do with anything other than its own deadliness. Sure most of the idiots at Mar-A-Lago might have already gotten over Covid, but they’re rich people with resources to better care than so much of the country that doesn’t even have health insurance. And what about all the other people they might have infected? The staff and the house cleaners etc etc? |
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