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Post by nts1drums on Dec 14, 2023 10:41:11 GMT -5
That’s neat! Not every day you hear steel drums on a BW production!
I can sense Dennis on drums here too…
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Dec 14, 2023 11:05:20 GMT -5
Not so much "demand an answer" as "always wondered" but... Are there any recordings, audio or video, of either Carl or Mike "making it happen" on a song for which he originated both music and lyrics? For Carl, I guess he always worked with a lyricist, but maybe he originated How She Boogalooed It (guessing that either Carl or Bruce did)? Maybe I'm unaware of one Carl alone initiated. Or maybe there's a "Big Sur" demo by Mike in the archives? In any event, just wondering about a demo-type situation like, "Hey guys, here's a song," sung and self-accompanied on guitar or keyboard by the originator. It would be great to learn whether such material is out there, even if it's not generally available. probably not exactly what you’re thinking of, but Carl played every instrument on Long Promised Road. Don’t know of any demos like that, but I know that there is a bunch of unbooted Carl tracks from 74-75. There’s also a piano demo of the trader before any lyrics were written…
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Post by alankard on Dec 14, 2023 12:17:05 GMT -5
That's interesting, thank you -- sounds like maybe Carl had a firm grasp of the vocal melody before Jack Rieley added the lyrics.
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Post by jk on Dec 14, 2023 16:42:49 GMT -5
There’s also a piano demo of the trader before any lyrics were written… Wow. Thanks for that, #Justice. It shows even more clearly than the finished article how Carl took Brian's treatment of the bass line and made it his own. Utterly gorgeous.
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Post by nts1drums on Dec 17, 2023 10:27:14 GMT -5
There’s also a piano demo of the trader before any lyrics were written… Wow. Thanks for that, #Justice. It shows even more clearly than the finished article how Carl took Brian's treatment of the bass line and made it his own. Utterly gorgeous. Love that demo, and it’s interesting that Carl returned to the first section after doing the second section, I prefer what happened on the final recording but it’s interesting nonetheless
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Post by nts1drums on Dec 20, 2023 8:54:36 GMT -5
This was something I noticed recently but it sounds like Brian was using Dennis on a vast majority of the 15BO sessions as his go-to drummer at the time. Rock and Roll music, Had to Phone Ya, outtakes like Sea Cruise, Peggy Sue, Michael Row, Shake Rattle and Roll, and many others with tons of outside musicians. Always thought this was interesting and I guess I want to confirm that he’s definitely on some of the outtakes I mentioned above.
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Dec 21, 2023 9:18:24 GMT -5
He's on those cuts.
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Post by nts1drums on Dec 21, 2023 13:08:15 GMT -5
Nice! It’s interesting to see that Brian had Dennis as his go-to drummer during those sessions. Dennis is awesome on all of those!
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Post by nts1drums on Dec 27, 2023 15:11:13 GMT -5
A belated Christmas but yeah Merry Christmas! Was just curious if anyone here has heard of the version of Child of Winter with Dennis and Carl singing lead (and whether it’s good or not). Gotta say despite the repetitive nature of the song in general I found to have loved it immediately upon first listen many years ago lol
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Post by Mopp on Dec 27, 2023 16:25:29 GMT -5
A belated Christmas but yeah Merry Christmas! Was just curious if anyone here has heard of the version of Child of Winter with Dennis and Carl singing lead (and whether it’s good or not). Gotta say despite the repetitive nature of the song in general I found to have loved it immediately upon first listen many years ago lol What? No. Nothing like that has ever been bootlegged. All that people outside BRI have heard from Child of Winter are the 1974 and 1977 stereo mixes.
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Post by nts1drums on Dec 27, 2023 18:21:09 GMT -5
A belated Christmas but yeah Merry Christmas! Was just curious if anyone here has heard of the version of Child of Winter with Dennis and Carl singing lead (and whether it’s good or not). Gotta say despite the repetitive nature of the song in general I found to have loved it immediately upon first listen many years ago lol What? No. Nothing like that has ever been bootlegged. All that people outside BRI have heard from Child of Winter are the 1974 and 1977 stereo mixes. My apologies just wanted to check since I heard that those were confirmed to have existed.
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Post by KenWorthing on Jan 2, 2024 5:33:44 GMT -5
What? No. Nothing like that has ever been bootlegged. All that people outside BRI have heard from Child of Winter are the 1974 and 1977 stereo mixes. My apologies just wanted to check since I heard that those were confirmed to have existed. Can anyone in the loop here confirm that for us?
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Post by Joshilyn Hoisington on Jan 2, 2024 17:47:07 GMT -5
It exists.
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Post by nts1drums on Jan 3, 2024 8:59:03 GMT -5
Ok I have a question about a bootleg CD that has gone around I imagine for years. The actual CD features the track sheet for Lord Let Me Out of Here ingrained into it and I wanted to know if there was an image of that because I spent an hour yesterday trying to find it with no luck. I remember seeing it once before but it disappeared after a while.
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Post by west on Jan 23, 2024 20:22:41 GMT -5
Does anyone have any info on this photo? I see it every so often, and never fully understood what was going on. I'm assuming it's some time in 1965, but that's all I'm gathering.
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Post by jk on Jan 24, 2024 4:54:01 GMT -5
Does anyone have any info on this photo? I see it every so often, and never fully understood what was going on. I'm assuming it's some time in 1965, but that's all I'm gathering. View AttachmentAll I could find was the entry for November 14, 1965 from Ian's indispensable site (see link below). It includes this picture, clearly taken at the same time as yours. IR: "The photo of Brian and Mike appears to be from the autumn of 1965 but I have not determined the date it was taken." (Is that a Gold Disc on the wall in both pictures? That might help to identify their whereabouts.) www.beachboysgigs.com/1965-3/
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Post by jk on Feb 6, 2024 16:29:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know who's playing flute on this live performance of "Rock And Roll Woman"? My first thought was Charles Lloyd, but I'm not so sure now...
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Post by Bill M on Feb 6, 2024 19:37:52 GMT -5
Does anyone know who's playing flute on this live performance of "Rock And Roll Woman"? My first thought was Charles Lloyd, but I'm not so sure now... This was likely recorded at the Brighton Dome in the UK, so I’m guessing that the flautist is from the 8 piece horn section that was hired locally for the European tour. Just a guess.
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Post by ian on Feb 6, 2024 21:19:09 GMT -5
That 1965 photo is pretty mysterious-I spoke to the photographer Julian Wasser about it but it was one of 1000s of photos that he took and it was just a job….he suggested it was part of time magazine spread on rock and roll that year. His exact words to me: "The gold lamé oufits were at Capitol Records for my session for the Time Magazine Rock n Roll cover." He took the photos-so maybe it was but the actual magazine article uses a very different photo. I initially thought that it was for the May 65 Ed Sullivan taping -the BBs apparently showed up for the taping but the show ran long and they got bumped. However, to my eyes Brian looks more like he did around the time they taped the Andy Williams show in October 65 so perhaps, if Julian Wasser's memory is off, it is from a local TV appearance that autumn or during the rehearsal for that show or Jack Benny. They don’t wear those outfits on those shows -though I have not watched the entire shows just the clips that aired on documentaries. It’s possible that they appeared in some other segment of the shows and then changed for the musical numbers….I don’t know. Those pics were first seen by me in the 1980s photo book that came out around 1985 I think
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Post by ian on Feb 6, 2024 21:24:28 GMT -5
As far as the May 1969 clip-yeah the flautist was probably part of the eight piece band led by John D’andrea that was hired for that European tour. Charles Lloyd not only was not on that tour but also I don’t think he and Mike had become friends yet
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Post by west on Feb 7, 2024 2:00:17 GMT -5
That 1965 photo is pretty mysterious-I spoke to the photographer Julian Wasser about it but it was one of 1000s of photos that he took and it was just a job….he suggested it was part of time magazine spread on rock and roll that year. His exact words to me: "The gold lamé oufits were at Capitol Records for my session for the Time Magazine Rock n Roll cover." He took the photos-so maybe it was but the actual magazine article uses a very different photo. I initially thought that it was for the May 65 Ed Sullivan taping -the BBs apparently showed up for the taping but the show ran long and they got bumped. However, to my eyes Brian looks more like he did around the time they taped the Andy Williams show in October 65 so perhaps, if Julian Wasser's memory is off, it is from a local TV appearance that autumn or during the rehearsal for that show or Jack Benny. They don’t wear those outfits on those shows -though I have not watched the entire shows just the clips that aired on documentaries. It’s possible that they appeared in some other segment of the shows and then changed for the musical numbers….I don’t know. Those pics were first seen by me in the 1980s photo book that came out around 1985 I think Thank you for taking the time to research it and also asking the photographer! I greatly appreciate that. And what is this photo book you mention? Because that may be the same book I remember happening upon in a library one random day about twenty years. I remember seeing the photo of them I posted, but to this day I could never remember what that book was or how to find it.
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Post by AGD on Feb 7, 2024 3:12:50 GMT -5
Thinking it's the Silver Anniversary book by John Milward.
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Post by jk on Feb 7, 2024 4:58:19 GMT -5
As far as the May 1969 clip-yeah the flautist was probably part of the eight piece band led by John D’andrea that was hired for that European tour. Charles Lloyd not only was not on that tour but also I don’t think he and Mike had become friends yet Thanks, Ian. I see now it's mentioned on page 122 of The Beach Boys in Concert, which has been propping up my other Beach Boys books (an admirable task but not very practical). I suppose it's like the string players on "Only With You" -- the chances of ever learning their names are practically nil.
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Post by bessieboporbach on Feb 7, 2024 8:14:44 GMT -5
Not so much "demand an answer" as "always wondered" but... Are there any recordings, audio or video, of either Carl or Mike "making it happen" on a song for which he originated both music and lyrics? For Carl, I guess he always worked with a lyricist, but maybe he originated How She Boogalooed It (guessing that either Carl or Bruce did)? Maybe I'm unaware of one Carl alone initiated. Or maybe there's a "Big Sur" demo by Mike in the archives? In any event, just wondering about a demo-type situation like, "Hey guys, here's a song," sung and self-accompanied on guitar or keyboard by the originator. It would be great to learn whether such material is out there, even if it's not generally available. All these years I thought "Boogalooed" was an Al opus with Al singing lead. I see wiki says it's Carl. Shows what my ears know! The main riff does seem to have been composed by a guitarist (it's similar to Big Star's "O My Soul") so Carl is a good candidate for at least the verses. It's also fairly similar to some Rascals arrangements. I've always loved it. I bet Bruce composed the middle 8.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 7, 2024 8:42:41 GMT -5
Not so much "demand an answer" as "always wondered" but... Are there any recordings, audio or video, of either Carl or Mike "making it happen" on a song for which he originated both music and lyrics? For Carl, I guess he always worked with a lyricist, but maybe he originated How She Boogalooed It (guessing that either Carl or Bruce did)? Maybe I'm unaware of one Carl alone initiated. Or maybe there's a "Big Sur" demo by Mike in the archives? In any event, just wondering about a demo-type situation like, "Hey guys, here's a song," sung and self-accompanied on guitar or keyboard by the originator. It would be great to learn whether such material is out there, even if it's not generally available. All these years I thought "Boogalooed" was an Al opus with Al singing lead. I see wiki says it's Carl. Shows what my ears know! The main riff does seem to have been composed by a guitarist (it's similar to Big Star's "O My Soul") so Carl is a good candidate for at least the verses. It's also fairly similar to some Rascals arrangements. I've always loved it. I bet Bruce composed the middle 8. HSBITM - was intro'd live during the 1967 Thanksgiving Tour prior to the Wild Honey album being released. It is on Sunshine Tomorrow. They have the Detroit show.
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