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Post by Rick Bartlett on Mar 27, 2024 0:04:41 GMT -5
Mmmmmm! Pretty! From 'BeachBoys.com' "Celebrating the 60th anniversary of The Beach Boys’ fifth studio album Shut Down, Vol. 2, this limited-edition reissue features blue and white marble custom color vinyl in a high-quality, numbered tip-on jacket. The album includes such classics as “Fun, Fun, Fun”, “Don’t Worry Baby” and “The Warmth Of The Sun”." It has a 'nice' price too of $45.99 dollars! How they can justify selling an album that has sold millions over it's 60 years, and still sell it at this expensive price? For me, I have to add another $14.38 for a total of $64.97! That's about 100 Aussie dollars for me which is Ludacris! No way am I paying that! The album clocks in at just over 27 minutes, and while it's a fun listen, it does have a few 'clunkers', 'Love vrs. Sonny', 'Dennys Drums', 'Louie Louie' and I'm sure you guys might have a couple more you might add. I love my colored vinyl, but this is far too expensive. Seems they are going with the 'stereo' version as well, for whatever that's worth... Also, these albums have made their money over and over, there's no reason why they should ever be full priced albums again, and they should be budget friendly priced. I can't imagine them selling tons of these, but maybe this might be your thing, if so, I'm glad to help. I like the look of it, and maybe I've developed a case of short arms and long pockets... I'll pass.
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Post by John Manning on Mar 27, 2024 4:35:33 GMT -5
Can't believe they didn't time this for RSD, either. Looks a nice product but Rick's right – it's overpriced (like so much BBs product at the moment) and has redundancy built in, for fans who already have this, at least.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Mar 27, 2024 5:00:56 GMT -5
Can't believe they didn't time this for RSD, either. Looks a nice product but Rick's right – it's overpriced (like so much BBs product at the moment) and has redundancy built in, for fans who already have this, at least. It would have been nice had they'd made this a double LP. An extra LP of bonus/extras/different mixes etc etc. Give us fans an incentive at least to go that extra mile. 'Shut Down Vol.2' - Deluxe Edition
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Post by bessieboporbach on Mar 27, 2024 8:00:47 GMT -5
LOL at the price. I'm guessing they're going to do the same for the 60th anniversaries of the (checks notes) six further albums the band released over 1964 and 1965. Practically a steal at $315+shipping!
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Post by lonelysummer on Mar 27, 2024 23:22:40 GMT -5
Who buys this stuff? I was happy when the classic albums turned up on vinyl again. I think I paid under $20 for a copy of Beach Boys Today. The price of vinyl has gotten ridiculous lately; the decider for me is, is it gonna cost me more to buy a NM original pressing than a brand new 2024 pressing? If the new pressing is less, I'm fine with getting it, but I don't need to get every pressing of every Beach Boys/Beatles/Dylan album.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Mar 28, 2024 8:21:53 GMT -5
It seems $46 is a tad too much to pay for something that degrades a little with every listen. While I have bought a couple of vinyl LPs in the last 10 years (stereo Wild Honey & a Sinatra album), they have sat in an album rack since being digitized shortly after purchase. Plus, I have completely lost faith in the team preparing The Beach Boys music for release. I learned my lesson after the last two boxsets; I will not purchase sight unheard.
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Post by AGD on Mar 28, 2024 10:11:39 GMT -5
Who buys this stuff? I was happy when the classic albums turned up on vinyl again. I think I paid under $20 for a copy of Beach Boys Today. The price of vinyl has gotten ridiculous lately; the decider for me is, is it gonna cost me more to buy a NM original pressing than a brand new 2024 pressing? If the new pressing is less, I'm fine with getting it, but I don't need to get every pressing of every Beach Boys/Beatles/Dylan album. Two things to be aware of regarding today's vinyl: one, pretty much all albums pressed up these days use a digital master... two, a high percentage of those bought are never played (maybe half), and maybe 25% of people buying them don't actually own a record deck. It's a fad, a fashion. And as Dirk says, every time you play a vinyl album, it degrades. Every. Single. Time. Got to - you're scratching relatively soft plastic with a sliver of gemstone.
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Post by bessieboporbach on Mar 28, 2024 13:20:24 GMT -5
Who buys this stuff? I was happy when the classic albums turned up on vinyl again. I think I paid under $20 for a copy of Beach Boys Today. The price of vinyl has gotten ridiculous lately; the decider for me is, is it gonna cost me more to buy a NM original pressing than a brand new 2024 pressing? If the new pressing is less, I'm fine with getting it, but I don't need to get every pressing of every Beach Boys/Beatles/Dylan album. Two things to be aware of regarding today's vinyl: one, pretty much all albums pressed up these days use a digital master... two, a high percentage of those bought are never played (maybe half), and maybe 25% of people buying them don't actually own a record deck. It's a fad, a fashion. And as Dirk says, every time you play a vinyl album, it degrades. Every. Single. Time. Got to - you're scratching relatively soft plastic with a sliver of gemstone. The figure that half of all new vinyl sold is never played, that it's being bought by people without turntables, is real -- but I don't think it applies to this kind of thing. For many younger artists (let's broadly say the under-40 cohort) vinyl sales are a type of collectible "merch," similar to Funko Pops or other such display toys. Funnily enough, in K-Pop, CDs fulfill this function; I have many students who are into K-Pop groups like Blackpink that collect CDs even though they have no way of playing them. But generally the many "limited edition" colored vinyl pressings of Taylor Swift albums should be understood as keepsakes in this way rather than as music media. For younger indie artists, they're something that fans can do that, in theory, supports the artist more substantially than streaming revenues, even if (again) the discs themselves are more keepsakes than music media. But for an act like the Beach Boys? Whose fans are mostly over 50? I'm guessing most people who buy such things are buying them to listen to. And, to be frank, I can't fathom paying $46 for a listening copy of Shut Down Vol. 2. And I say that as someone who absolutely cherishes "In the Parkin' Lot." (I did buy the "Back to Black" vinyl edition of Surfer Girl about 5 years ago, which likely has a digital source. But that cost me $15, not $46. And it's Surfer Girl! And I bought it to play.)
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Post by lonelysummer on Mar 28, 2024 15:24:09 GMT -5
I'm guessing the digital sourcing is why many of the recent vinyl issues don't sound as good to me as the cd's. I bought Orange Crate Art on vinyl, and found the sound inferior to the CD. Same with a Dave Davies album I got a couple years ago. I don't know the tech side of things at all, so that's the only thing I can come up with. There are other recent vinyl albums I've bought that sound excellent.
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Post by Al S on Mar 28, 2024 17:20:48 GMT -5
Another trite regurgitation from the music industry's moth-eaten bag of Plan B gimmicks.
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Post by mikedonn on Mar 29, 2024 5:59:01 GMT -5
Just seen this elsewhere, and sure enough,...
Zoom in on the spine. "Analogue Productions".
Not sure if it is or just a stock photo. False advertising if it's not the AP pressing. If it is, might be why it's so expensive.
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Post by Awesoman on Mar 29, 2024 8:25:45 GMT -5
Yeah no thanks to that price. And most if not all the songs I like on here are already featured on their massive 𝑆𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑂𝑓 𝑆𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑟 compilation (which I already own on vinyl).
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Post by bessieboporbach on Mar 29, 2024 11:35:29 GMT -5
Yeah no thanks to that price. And most if not all the songs I like on here are already featured on their massive 𝑆𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑂𝑓 𝑆𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑟 compilation (which I already own on vinyl). I dunno -- Sounds of Summer is very notably missing "In the Parkin' Lot," "Why Do Fools Fall In Love," "This Car of Mine," and (the unkindest cut of all) "Denny's Drums" and "Shut Down, Pt. 2"! At least they found room for "Pom Pom Play Girl."
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Post by Mikie on Mar 29, 2024 12:40:23 GMT -5
Just seen this elsewhere, and sure enough,... Zoom in on the spine. "Analogue Productions". Not sure if it is or just a stock photo. False advertising if it's not the AP pressing. If it is, might be why it's so expensive. That would make a little more sense if it's an Acoustic Productions 180G vinyl piece. They normally go for around $40.00, so an additional $6.00 would be for the blue vinyl. BUT! I don't see any Beach Boys colored vinyl available on the AP website, so you may be right, Mike. They just did this for the Christmas album with red and green vinyl and Pet Sounds in a few color variations, but they were cheaper because they weren't AP. Did I read somewhere that Acoustic Productions is not pressing anymore Beach Boys 180G LP's or is that wrong? I see their 45's are through the roof!!
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Post by Al S on Mar 29, 2024 16:50:09 GMT -5
Just seen this elsewhere, and sure enough,... Zoom in on the spine. "Analogue Productions". Not sure if it is or just a stock photo. False advertising if it's not the AP pressing. If it is, might be why it's so expensive. Good catch, mike-baby!
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Post by Al S on Mar 29, 2024 17:07:08 GMT -5
Just seen this elsewhere, and sure enough,... Zoom in on the spine. "Analogue Productions". Not sure if it is or just a stock photo. False advertising if it's not the AP pressing. If it is, might be why it's so expensive. That would make a little more sense if it's an Acoustic Productions 180G vinyl piece. They normally go for around $40.00, so an additional $6.00 would be for the blue vinyl. BUT! I don't see any Beach Boys colored vinyl available on the AP website, so you may be right, Mike. They just did this for the Christmas album with red and green vinyl and Pet Sounds in a few color variations, but they were cheaper because they weren't AP. Did I read somewhere that Acoustic Productions is not pressing anymore Beach Boys 180G LP's or is that wrong? I see their 45's are through the roof!! The boss of AP, Chad Kassem, was quoted a couple of years ago detailing how the BB series didn't sell as well as expected (except for, yep, Pet Sounds and AP have run subsequent re-pressings of said item (collectors will note the additional runs have a variant QP sticker on the protective sleeve when shipped)), so what you see on the AP site is the remaining old stuff. Now, while your Joe Average BB fan, or the vinyl deniers at this forum, might not give a shit whether a pressing is from a quality house like AP; getting a limited exclusive pressing via AP, and maybe sourced from analogue and maybe with nice tip-on style sleeves is something I would promote - that team BB.com haven't offered this information makes me think this is a bog standard generic pressing (from Rainbow or a Euro based vinyl crank-out house) and the promo-bot has incorrectly picked up an AP cover for the ad. All a big guess on my minuscule behalf, hopefully more information on the provenance is moments away!
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Post by Awesoman on Mar 30, 2024 13:25:44 GMT -5
That would make a little more sense if it's an Acoustic Productions 180G vinyl piece. They normally go for around $40.00, so an additional $6.00 would be for the blue vinyl. BUT! I don't see any Beach Boys colored vinyl available on the AP website, so you may be right, Mike. They just did this for the Christmas album with red and green vinyl and Pet Sounds in a few color variations, but they were cheaper because they weren't AP. Did I read somewhere that Acoustic Productions is not pressing anymore Beach Boys 180G LP's or is that wrong? I see their 45's are through the roof!! The boss of AP, Chad Kassem, was quoted a couple of years ago detailing how the BB series didn't sell as well as expected (except for, yep, Pet Sounds and AP have run subsequent re-pressings of said item (collectors will note the additional runs have a variant QP sticker on the protective sleeve when shipped)), so what you see on the AP site is the remaining old stuff. Now, while your Joe Average BB fan, or the vinyl deniers at this forum, might not give a shit whether a pressing is from a quality house like AP; getting a limited exclusive pressing via AP, and maybe sourced from analogue and maybe with nice tip-on style sleeves is something I would promote - that team BB.com haven't offered this information makes me think this is a bog standard generic pressing (from Rainbow or a Euro based vinyl crank-out house) and the promo-bot has incorrectly picked up an AP cover for the ad. All a big guess on my minuscule behalf, hopefully more information on the provenance is moments away! A shame if AP stopped producing Beach Boys vinyl. Their 200g pressing of 𝐻𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑 is quite nice and sounds great.
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Post by Awesoman on Mar 30, 2024 13:33:36 GMT -5
I'm guessing the digital sourcing is why many of the recent vinyl issues don't sound as good to me as the cd's. I bought Orange Crate Art on vinyl, and found the sound inferior to the CD. Same with a Dave Davies album I got a couple years ago. I don't know the tech side of things at all, so that's the only thing I can come up with. There are other recent vinyl albums I've bought that sound excellent. It's hit or miss depending on how it was mastered. I have a few Paul McCartney and Rolling Stones albums that were recently "half-speed" remastered and they sound quite good; producing a very thick and full, warm sound. And it's not always a bad thing when vinyl pulls from a digital source. I have several Bruno Mars and Outkast records that sound fine on the analog format.
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Post by Al S on Mar 30, 2024 20:56:43 GMT -5
The boss of AP, Chad Kassem, was quoted a couple of years ago detailing how the BB series didn't sell as well as expected (except for, yep, Pet Sounds and AP have run subsequent re-pressings of said item (collectors will note the additional runs have a variant QP sticker on the protective sleeve when shipped)), so what you see on the AP site is the remaining old stuff. Now, while your Joe Average BB fan, or the vinyl deniers at this forum, might not give a shit whether a pressing is from a quality house like AP; getting a limited exclusive pressing via AP, and maybe sourced from analogue and maybe with nice tip-on style sleeves is something I would promote - that team BB.com haven't offered this information makes me think this is a bog standard generic pressing (from Rainbow or a Euro based vinyl crank-out house) and the promo-bot has incorrectly picked up an AP cover for the ad. All a big guess on my minuscule behalf, hopefully more information on the provenance is moments away! A shame if AP stopped producing Beach Boys vinyl. Their 200g pressing of 𝐻𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑 is quite nice and sounds great. So, rather than trust my own big mouth, I did a little bit of lazy research on Discogs: according to said site: - Surfin' Safari, Party, ASL, SD(&SN) do not show entries indicating recent repressing by AP - all other titles in the series, including Holland, show entries indicating repressing circa 2021/22/23, depending on the album - there is currently no listing for the OT Shut Down Vol 2 60th limited edition, which of course may be listed once it starts shipping in a couple days (assuming someone buys it and updates Discogs)
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Post by sang86371 on Mar 30, 2024 21:40:35 GMT -5
I'm guessing the digital sourcing is why many of the recent vinyl issues don't sound as good to me as the cd's. I bought Orange Crate Art on vinyl, and found the sound inferior to the CD. Same with a Dave Davies album I got a couple years ago. I don't know the tech side of things at all, so that's the only thing I can come up with. There are other recent vinyl albums I've bought that sound excellent. It's hit or miss depending on how it was mastered. I have a few Paul McCartney and Rolling Stones albums that were recently "half-speed" remastered and they sound quite good; producing a very thick and full, warm sound. And it's not always a bad thing when vinyl pulls from a digital source. I have several Bruno Mars and Outkast records that sound fine on the analog format. I totally agree. Whether that source is an analog or a digital, how it is mastered is important. I was so impressed with the sound of Carly Simon's record, These are good old days compilation , mastered from the digital source.
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Post by jay on Mar 30, 2024 22:31:03 GMT -5
Who buys this stuff? I was happy when the classic albums turned up on vinyl again. I think I paid under $20 for a copy of Beach Boys Today. The price of vinyl has gotten ridiculous lately; the decider for me is, is it gonna cost me more to buy a NM original pressing than a brand new 2024 pressing? If the new pressing is less, I'm fine with getting it, but I don't need to get every pressing of every Beach Boys/Beatles/Dylan album. Two things to be aware of regarding today's vinyl: one, pretty much all albums pressed up these days use a digital master... two, a high percentage of those bought are never played (maybe half), and maybe 25% of people buying them don't actually own a record deck. It's a fad, a fashion. And as Dirk says, every time you play a vinyl album, it degrades. Every. Single. Time. Got to - you're scratching relatively soft plastic with a sliver of gemstone. You work for a bookies, right? What odds would you give me on this "collectible" record existing for the sole purpose of replicating the color of the groups jackets, and the color of Brian's hair?
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Post by lonelysummer on Mar 30, 2024 22:36:50 GMT -5
Who buys this stuff? I was happy when the classic albums turned up on vinyl again. I think I paid under $20 for a copy of Beach Boys Today. The price of vinyl has gotten ridiculous lately; the decider for me is, is it gonna cost me more to buy a NM original pressing than a brand new 2024 pressing? If the new pressing is less, I'm fine with getting it, but I don't need to get every pressing of every Beach Boys/Beatles/Dylan album. Two things to be aware of regarding today's vinyl: one, pretty much all albums pressed up these days use a digital master... two, a high percentage of those bought are never played (maybe half), and maybe 25% of people buying them don't actually own a record deck. It's a fad, a fashion. And as Dirk says, every time you play a vinyl album, it degrades. Every. Single. Time. Got to - you're scratching relatively soft plastic with a sliver of gemstone. That may be true, but I have many vinyl records I bought back in the 80's that still sound excellent. Some don't; poor quality vinyl used in the pressing.
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Post by dauber on Apr 3, 2024 6:55:17 GMT -5
It seems $46 is a tad too much to pay for something that degrades a little with every listen. While I have bought a couple of vinyl LPs in the last 10 years (stereo Wild Honey & a Sinatra album), they have sat in an album rack since being digitized shortly after purchase. Plus, I have completely lost faith in the team preparing The Beach Boys music for release. I learned my lesson after the last two boxsets; I will not purchase sight unheard.
I have one single-record album I paid more than maybe $32, and it was a MFSL record. Not buying this at that price, especially if they're mum about whether it's from an analog or digital master.
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Post by northcoast on Apr 3, 2024 9:54:26 GMT -5
At the end of the day, a company can charge whatever they want to charge. It is up to you whether you think it is worth that or not. To me this baby is not worth $46.00. I mean you think it was Pet Sounds or something
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Apr 3, 2024 11:32:40 GMT -5
The whole “digital bad analog good” argument is just so, so stupid.
If something sounds bad because it’s sourced from digital, I think that’s saying a lot more about the engineer doing the sourcing than it is the actual equipment/technology being used.
Christopher Cross’s self titled album was one of the first to be fully recorded digitally… And it sounds absolutely lush and beautiful. I have never read anyone complain about the sound quality of that.
Meanwhile RHCP made a lot of noise about how their last album was recorded and mixed all analog and… what do you know it, it’s still not enough for the purists.
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