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Post by Rick Bartlett on May 1, 2024 12:31:29 GMT -5
I just finished the whole thing, and.....I don't know. I just ...don't know. Fun to see pictures and images that hadn't been published before. Nice to hear the polite, gloves off compliments between the band members. Nice to hear the usual loving quotes from other musicians. But the whole thing just felt TOO polite to me, and without any context, the comments on each era of the recordings just seemed so bland to me. Nothing about Murry getting canned? Manson? While there were SOME nods to the tough times (circa 1977, etc) or Brian "getting back on his feet" it was all AFTER whatever issues that had happened, and not really brought out. At least "15 Big Ones" and "Love You" was presented from different viewpoints. The issue of oldies vs newer material was at least discussed. The licensing issues, 2012 reunion, TWGMTR, and subsequent issues, would have added some spice to all that sugar.... Again, overall nice, but that's a lot of sugar...... Hmmm yeap, and everything I was afraid of hearing....'Sugar Coated' beyond saturation.
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Post by stuart on May 2, 2024 5:43:27 GMT -5
I just started reading it. Fun fact, it’s the heaviest and most uncomfortable sized book I have ever owned.
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Post by lonelysummer on May 2, 2024 14:27:14 GMT -5
I just started reading it. Fun fact, it’s the heaviest and most uncomfortable sized book I have ever owned. You don't own The Beatles Anthology?
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Post by Emdeeh on May 2, 2024 16:02:28 GMT -5
My copy of TBBxTBB is currently sitting next to me along with several hefty art books, and it's easily the biggest book of the lot! It's even bigger than the comprehensive, heavily illustrated Dale Chihuly tome.
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Post by Malc on May 3, 2024 1:32:17 GMT -5
Hmmm… obviously not many of you guys own the mahoosive 800-page heavyweight tome that is the McParland hardback edition of his Gary Usher biography…
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Post by stuart on May 3, 2024 5:26:00 GMT -5
Lonely summer, I’ve read so much about the Fabs I stopped. But the BBs? I can’t stop. I imagine it’s their longevity that keeps it interesting.
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Post by Mikie on May 3, 2024 9:12:37 GMT -5
Hmmm… obviously not many of you guys own the mahoosive 800-page heavyweight tome that is the McParland hardback edition of his Gary Usher biography… What we really need is a hardback edition of "Back Through The Opera Glass" with color photos and information about The Beach Boys' album sleeves from 1962-2012.
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Post by Malc on May 3, 2024 9:26:50 GMT -5
Hmmm… obviously not many of you guys own the mahoosive 800-page heavyweight tome that is the McParland hardback edition of his Gary Usher biography… What we really need is a hardback edition of "Back Through The Opera Glass" with color photos and information about The Beach Boys' album sleeves from 1962-2012. It’s not out of the question ! Discussions have taken place… 😉
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Post by E on May 3, 2024 10:05:43 GMT -5
Yes please!
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Post by lonelysummer on May 3, 2024 13:54:17 GMT -5
Lonely summer, I’ve read so much about the Fabs I stopped. But the BBs? I can’t stop. I imagine it’s their longevity that keeps it interesting. Which makes it that much sadder than all the official bios want to stop somewhere between 1974 and 1980. The 80's and 90's might not be as interesting as the previous decades, but I would gladly read about / watch those years.
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Post by ian on May 3, 2024 15:50:55 GMT -5
It is too divisive/political—going into the 90s means discussing Landy, Steve Love, Mike and Al problems, Mike and Brian lawsuits. BBs don’t want to talk about all that and who could blame them.
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on May 3, 2024 16:07:01 GMT -5
Funny, the last sentence on the back cover says “Finally, here is The Beach Boys’ own story.”, if only the first 19 years of it or 31% of the full story.
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Post by jds on May 3, 2024 17:09:04 GMT -5
I just finished the whole thing, and.....I don't know. I just ...don't know. Fun to see pictures and images that hadn't been published before. Nice to hear the polite, gloves off compliments between the band members. Nice to hear the usual loving quotes from other musicians. But the whole thing just felt TOO polite to me, and without any context, the comments on each era of the recordings just seemed so bland to me. Nothing about Murry getting canned? Manson? While there were SOME nods to the tough times (circa 1977, etc) or Brian "getting back on his feet" it was all AFTER whatever issues that had happened, and not really brought out. At least "15 Big Ones" and "Love You" was presented from different viewpoints. The issue of oldies vs newer material was at least discussed. The licensing issues, 2012 reunion, TWGMTR, and subsequent issues, would have added some spice to all that sugar.... Again, overall nice, but that's a lot of sugar...... I think the band, with the occasional exception of Dennis, was always good at coping and functioning in spite of hard feelings. Brian basically aided and abetted Mike being cheated out of millions in co-writes and Mike worked with him for decades after he found out about it. You either quit or you learn to handle things like that in a productive way.
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Post by west on May 3, 2024 20:37:58 GMT -5
This is book-related, so I guess I'll leave it here.
I've always wanted a sessionography book along the lines of the In Concert book by Jon Stebbins and Ian Rusten. We all know that Badman's Diary is full of holes, misinformation and errors. Which is why I've usually viewed Jon and Ian's book as an 'ammendment' of sorts to Badman's book. But that's only half the Beach Boy story. I'd love an 'ammendment' for the sessions and releases portion, if that makes sense.
(I don't mean to diminish the work Jon and Ian put in by calling it an 'ammendment' to an error-filled book. It is a fantastic book that stands on it own! And to add to it, Ian's gigs website is hands-down amazing. As well as Mr. Doe's Bellagio website.)
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Post by mfp on May 3, 2024 21:57:23 GMT -5
This is book-related, so I guess I'll leave it here. I've always wanted a sessionography book along the lines of the In Concert book by Jon Stebbins and Ian Rusten. We all know that Badman's Diary is full of holes, misinformation and errors. Which is why I've usually viewed Jon and Ian's book as an 'ammendment' of sorts to Badman's book. But that's only half the Beach Boy story. I'd love an 'ammendment' for the sessions and releases portion, if that makes sense. (I don't mean to diminish the work Jon and Ian put in by calling it an 'ammendment' to an error-filled book. It is a fantastic book that stands on it own! And to add to it, Jon's gigs website is hands-down amazing. As well as Mr. Doe's Bellagio website.) Similar to Ian's website for his and Jon's "In Concert" book, a sessionography book would probably be supplemented by a corresponding website with additions and amendments as new session information arises (as illustrated in a thread at the SH forum).
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Post by Paul JB on May 3, 2024 23:45:32 GMT -5
It is too divisive/political—going into the 90s means discussing Landy, Steve Love, Mike and Al problems, Mike and Brian lawsuits. BBs don’t want to talk about all that and who could blame them. Brian and Melinda signed off on an entire film portraying Landy as a shithead… what of it. It happened. It’s a huge part of The Beach Boys story. I don’t want to know how many women Dennis banged or exactly how many drugs Brian digested but I don’t want some revisionist Disneyfied version of The Beach Boys story. I want some truthful answers about things like Smile, and the real Murry, and a consensus on who wrote what. If all we are getting is the same filtered stuff we all know for fact then why would I care about buying it. These guys sold their intellectual property….so now “smart” people will give us what they think matters. We’ll get a modern day Disney version of the real story by The Beach Boys .. but it’s not by the Beach Boys… is it..?
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Post by jds on May 4, 2024 0:01:28 GMT -5
This is book-related, so I guess I'll leave it here. I've always wanted a sessionography book along the lines of the In Concert book by Jon Stebbins and Ian Rusten. We all know that Badman's Diary is full of holes, misinformation and errors. Which is why I've usually viewed Jon and Ian's book as an 'ammendment' of sorts to Badman's book. But that's only half the Beach Boy story. I'd love an 'ammendment' for the sessions and releases portion, if that makes sense. (I don't mean to diminish the work Jon and Ian put in by calling it an 'ammendment' to an error-filled book. It is a fantastic book that stands on it own! And to add to it, Ian's gigs website is hands-down amazing. As well as Mr. Doe's Bellagio website.) I think a critical sessionography is ther very thing is being worked on by superfans/insiders/board member(s?) WillJC and John, but in the meantime check out their contributions to the wonderful Sail On podcast.
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Post by AGD on May 4, 2024 1:55:07 GMT -5
This is book-related, so I guess I'll leave it here. I've always wanted a sessionography book along the lines of the In Concert book by Jon Stebbins and Ian Rusten. We all know that Badman's Diary is full of holes, misinformation and errors. Which is why I've usually viewed Jon and Ian's book as an 'ammendment' of sorts to Badman's book. But that's only half the Beach Boy story. I'd love an 'ammendment' for the sessions and releases portion, if that makes sense. (I don't mean to diminish the work Jon and Ian put in by calling it an 'ammendment' to an error-filled book. It is a fantastic book that stands on it own! And to add to it, Ian's gigs website is hands-down amazing. As well as Mr. Doe's Bellagio website.) In large part due to Ian's continuing involvement: rarely does a week go by without an email from him adding or correcting something in the concerts section. Man's a star. The notion of a comprehensive sessionography (and one such is in the works) fills me with simultaenous delight and horror. Why the former is obvious. The latter? Because of all the revising I'll have to do. I kid, of course, I'd do it gladly.
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Post by jk on May 4, 2024 4:22:14 GMT -5
This is book-related, so I guess I'll leave it here. I've always wanted a sessionography book along the lines of the In Concert book by Jon Stebbins and Ian Rusten. We all know that Badman's Diary is full of holes, misinformation and errors. Which is why I've usually viewed Jon and Ian's book as an 'ammendment' of sorts to Badman's book. But that's only half the Beach Boy story. I'd love an 'ammendment' for the sessions and releases portion, if that makes sense. (I don't mean to diminish the work Jon and Ian put in by calling it an 'ammendment' to an error-filled book. It is a fantastic book that stands on it own! And to add to it, Ian's gigs website is hands-down amazing. As well as Mr. Doe's Bellagio website.) I think a critical sessionography is ther very thing is being worked on by superfans/insiders/ board member(s?) WillJC and John, but in the meantime check out their contributions to the wonderful Sail On podcast. Yes, board members. As I understand it, there is a team of four sessionographers, the two you mention, Joshilyn Hoisington and Craig Slowinski. I think it was Will who was most emphatic (somewhere on this forum) on there being such a sessionography in the making. A herculean labour, needless to say...
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Post by WillJC on May 4, 2024 8:31:50 GMT -5
I think a critical sessionography is ther very thing is being worked on by superfans/insiders/ board member(s?) WillJC and John, but in the meantime check out their contributions to the wonderful Sail On podcast. Yes, board members. As I understand it, there is a team of four sessionographers, the two you mention, Joshilyn Hoisington and Craig Slowinski. I think it was Will who was most emphatic (somewhere on this forum) on there being such a sessionography in the making. A herculean labour, needless to say... Indeed, the four of us have been at it for several years and will be at it for a good while to come. All is going well.
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Post by longtime lurker on May 4, 2024 11:12:04 GMT -5
Yes, board members. As I understand it, there is a team of four sessionographers, the two you mention, Joshilyn Hoisington and Craig Slowinski. I think it was Will who was most emphatic (somewhere on this forum) on there being such a sessionography in the making. A herculean labour, needless to say... Indeed, the four of us have been at it for several years and will be at it for a good while to come. All is going well. A BB sessionography of the size and level of detail that y'all are working on would ABSOLUTELY be something I would definitely want to read. Can you, at this point, say in what format(s) this thing would be available on? Online PDF? Stand-alone website? Hard copy printed book? Thanks in advance for any answers you care to make to my inquiry. And, obviously, all my best wishes towards the eventual completion of your endeavor.
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Post by WillJC on May 4, 2024 11:36:05 GMT -5
Indeed, the four of us have been at it for several years and will be at it for a good while to come. All is going well. A BB sessionography of the size and level of detail that y'all are working on would ABSOLUTELY be something I would definitely want to read. Can you, at this point, say in what format(s) this thing would be available on? Online PDF? Stand-alone website? Hard copy printed book? Thanks in advance for any answers you care to make to my inquiry. And, obviously, all my best wishes towards the eventual completion of your endeavor. Book form in several volumes is what we're currently working to, but we'll see. There are several future bridges to cross. And thanks!
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Post by ian on May 4, 2024 15:03:22 GMT -5
I 100% Can’t wait for that book and will buy two copies! But I want to add that The Beach Boys by The Beach Boys is a very handsome book and well worth the price for the photos alone
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Post by AGD on May 4, 2024 15:49:23 GMT -5
Yes, board members. As I understand it, there is a team of four sessionographers, the two you mention, Joshilyn Hoisington and Craig Slowinski. I think it was Will who was most emphatic (somewhere on this forum) on there being such a sessionography in the making. A herculean labour, needless to say... Indeed, the four of us have been at it for several years and will be at it for a good while to come. All is going well. This is great news but... dammit, none of us are getting any younger, y'know?
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Post by west on May 4, 2024 21:40:53 GMT -5
Terrific news hearing about the teamwork between Will, John, Joshilyn and Craig! Someone used the word 'Herculian', and I think about sums it real well. The amount of researching they must have done and still have ahead of them, I can't imagine. Doing the Lord's work for us, that's for sure.
But yes, perhaps a website would be better than a book, based solely on the fact that new information and additions will sprout up occasionally. I don't know how many people are familiar with the Beatles Bible website, but the work they've put into the day-to-day timeline section of their site leaves me wishing for something similar for the Beach Boys. Again, a Herculian effort I know. Regardless, I would buy a book of their findings no questions asked!
My wishes aside, I'd like to say thank you to the many historians we have on here that take the time to search and search for all the missing links in the Beach Boys' story!
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