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Post by radiantradish on Feb 17, 2024 9:49:46 GMT -5
As the days unfold, despite what's being put in place for Brian's future, it's hitting me harder and harder. Yes, to anyone who's watched his live shows since Covid, it's not exactly news but... dammit, it wasn't supposed to end like this. This lovely man has brought me, personally, so much utter joy, and because of his wonderful music I've met people I wouldn't normally have and been places I never imagined. Since summer 1975, my life changed due entirely due to Brian Wilson & The Beach Boys. I count myself fortunate to be able to tell him so, one on one. As I said before, I really don't need to know the ins and outs (yes, I just said that...), just that Brian is being cared for as he has been for decades. And he is, and if there's a good takeaway from these sad, sad times, it's that. Well expressed. I’m devastated Brian has to go through this. He means so much to us all. Your confidence that he is being well cared for means a lot. I’m thinking back to the one time I got to meet him and thank him, Southend 2016. I’m glad I did.
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Post by Paul JB on Feb 17, 2024 11:53:18 GMT -5
Brian is of an age where even a UTI is liable to manifest as symptoms of advanced dementia, and his well-documented mental health issues are all aggravating factors. Identifying his condition as dementia in a declaration was likely deemed necessary by lawyers to have granted the conservatorship he manifestly needs now that Melinda is gone. I don't think this "diagnosis" really changes anything. It changes things only in that it’s official confirmation of what many suspected may have been at play for a good 5 years or so. We don’t know the severity, or the speed with which it may worsen… but it doesn’t get better. Not at all surprised but he will continue to be surrounded by people that care about him. Let’s not forget that Brian may have had a few takers hanging around him for parts of his life, but mostly he has had people that love him there for him.
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Post by newbbfan on Feb 17, 2024 11:53:55 GMT -5
Brian, God please protect him, is still with us but when I put on the Beach Boys Selections in Dolby on tidal yesterday, the music sounded somewhat sweeter more intense and with even more colors and layers than before. Sending my love and compassion to Brian and all his family and friends and to all the Beach Boys who must be feeling it as well.. Also adding a note a special companion to those of you here on this board who have been there since the beginning like Andrew, and my heart goes out to you because I see what you are suffering at this moment. I greet all of you my good friends here whom I rely on for so much with my care and affection as well.
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Post by petsite on Feb 17, 2024 15:01:33 GMT -5
Let me be clear. Except for family and a dear sweet friend I met in third grade in 1967 and is still my best friend to this day, the longest lasting relationship in my life has been with this man and his music. He outlasted several girl friends, a marriage and so much more. The wonderful woman I have been married to for 33 years knew there was someone else that I would always talk about and spend my time listening to. So now this loved member of my family has dementia but he is surrounded by people who love and protect him. It still hurts. And always will.
As AGD said, it wasn't supposed to be this way. Why the person who brought us so much joy has never had any himself is on a scale of unfair that boggles my mind.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 17, 2024 18:46:33 GMT -5
Let me be clear. Except for family and a dear sweet friend I met in third grade in 1967 and is still my best friend to this day, the longest lasting relationship in my life has been with this man and his music. He outlasted several girl friends, a marriage and so much more. The wonderful woman I have been married to for 33 years knew there was someone else that I would always talk about and spend my time listening to. So now this loved member of my family has dementia but he is surrounded by people who love and protect him. It still hurts. And always will. As AGD said, it wasn't supposed to be this way. Why the person who brought us so much joy has never had any himself is on a scale of unfair that boggles my mind. Of course it isn't supposed to be this way. Life is not fair. And this music has been our friend and often our lifeline and anchor, for decades. But I think along the way, Brian has been validated and knows the audience and his fans love him for exactly that. The companionship and support that comes from this music, petsite. It is the first thing I reach for in the morning. Mostly BBs on YouTube to make my coffee with, complete with Carl, Dennis and Billy H. to let the music set the tone for the day. Notwithstanding the great support musicians in his band, people came to see the man, and the legend, Brian. No matter what. God gave Brian a special rare gift and he did not bury it as in that bible story (burying the talents) but worked-it to speak in the language of music to the masses. His music has made us think, in the turbulent 60s, as pre-teens and beyond. Pet Sounds - almost like a rite of passage. The rest, just exhilarating. And, I went looking for YouTubes from '18, '19, '20, '21 and '22, having seen him then, and only the last year was a real struggle. I don't mean the physical struggle with mobility. He was very good after covid in 2021, he had been working with a vocal coach and it showed. But I saw the audience sing God Only Knows to Brian, seeing him really struggle in July of '22 at the last Brian show I saw. The singing was spontaneous and spread through the audience like wildfire when they saw Brian falter, they instinctively picked up the slack. Great grandchildren of the original fans, are singing his songs. Brian has to have felt the love. And so crazy, Brian got such a charge out of little kids going crazy over a song he didn't even write, Barbara Ann. I don't know about anyone else, but that was the one of the highlights for me, watching Brian watch those little kids sing and dance. He got such a kick out of it. They were Brian's entertainment. Wendy and Carnie are great gals, and of course Rob, and his kids with Melinda and support staff will take care of him and make sure there is music around him. I remember Brian saying something about his name Wilson meaning he was tough because he had a "strong will." But, we are pretty powerless, except that we can keep Brian in our prayers. 🙏🏻 And the collective gratitude and love, that members here, have beautifully expressed. ❤️
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Post by timegoodin on Feb 17, 2024 19:25:50 GMT -5
Let me be clear. Except for family and a dear sweet friend I met in third grade in 1967 and is still my best friend to this day, the longest lasting relationship in my life has been with this man and his music. He outlasted several girl friends, a marriage and so much more. The wonderful woman I have been married to for 33 years knew there was someone else that I would always talk about and spend my time listening to. So now this loved member of my family has dementia but he is surrounded by people who love and protect him. It still hurts. And always will. As AGD said, it wasn't supposed to be this way. Why the person who brought us so much joy has never had any himself is on a scale of unfair that boggles my mind. Of course it isn't supposed to be this way. Life is not fair. And this music has been our friend and often our lifeline and anchor, for decades. But I think along the way, Brian has been validated and knows the audience and his fans love him for exactly that. The companionship and support that comes from this music, petsite. It is the first thing I reach for in the morning. Mostly BBs on YouTube to make my coffee with, complete with Carl, Dennis and Billy H. to let the music set the tone for the day. Notwithstanding the great support musicians in his band, people came to see the man, and the legend, Brian. No matter what. God gave Brian a special rare gift and he did not bury it as in that bible story (burying the talents) but worked-it to speak in the language of music to the masses. His music has made us think, in the turbulent 60s, as pre-teens and beyond. Pet Sounds - almost like a rite of passage. The rest, just exhilarating. And, I went looking for YouTubes from '18, '19, '20, '21 and '22, having seen him then, and only the last year was a real struggle. I don't mean the physical struggle with mobility. He was very good after covid in 2021, he had been working with a vocal coach and it showed. But I saw the audience sing God Only Knows to Brian, seeing him really struggle in July of '22 at the last Brian show I saw. The singing was spontaneous and spread through the audience like wildfire when they saw Brian falter, they instinctively picked up the slack. Great grandchildren of the original fans, are singing his songs. Brian has to have felt the love. And so crazy, Brian got such a charge out of little kids going crazy over a song he didn't even write, Barbara Ann. I don't know about anyone else, but that was the one of the highlights for me, watching Brian watch those little kids sing and dance. He got such a kick out of it. They were Brian's entertainment. Wendy and Carnie are great gals, and of course Rob, and his kids with Melinda and support staff will take care of him and make sure there is music around him. I remember Brian saying something about his name Wilson meaning he was tough because he had a "strong will." But, we are pretty powerless, except that we can keep Brian in our prayers. 🙏🏻 And the collective gratitude and love, that members here, have beautifully expressed. ❤️
If you're still listening in the morning, you're braver than me. I haven't listened since this news broke. I don't mean this next part to make light of anything, but I couldn't listen to Pet Sounds for a few years after my pet died because I was afraid I would get sad. I didn't even make the connection of my "pet" dying and the album's title being "Pet" Sounds until right now. Sorry, this was an awful digression. The point is that I haven't found the courage to listen.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 17, 2024 19:56:29 GMT -5
Of course it isn't supposed to be this way. Life is not fair. And this music has been our friend and often our lifeline and anchor, for decades. But I think along the way, Brian has been validated and knows the audience and his fans love him for exactly that. The companionship and support that comes from this music, petsite. It is the first thing I reach for in the morning. Mostly BBs on YouTube to make my coffee with, complete with Carl, Dennis and Billy H. to let the music set the tone for the day. Notwithstanding the great support musicians in his band, people came to see the man, and the legend, Brian. No matter what. God gave Brian a special rare gift and he did not bury it as in that bible story (burying the talents) but worked-it to speak in the language of music to the masses. His music has made us think, in the turbulent 60s, as pre-teens and beyond. Pet Sounds - almost like a rite of passage. The rest, just exhilarating. And, I went looking for YouTubes from '18, '19, '20, '21 and '22, having seen him then, and only the last year was a real struggle. I don't mean the physical struggle with mobility. He was very good after covid in 2021, he had been working with a vocal coach and it showed. But I saw the audience sing God Only Knows to Brian, seeing him really struggle in July of '22 at the last Brian show I saw. The singing was spontaneous and spread through the audience like wildfire when they saw Brian falter, they instinctively picked up the slack. Great grandchildren of the original fans, are singing his songs. Brian has to have felt the love. And so crazy, Brian got such a charge out of little kids going crazy over a song he didn't even write, Barbara Ann. I don't know about anyone else, but that was the one of the highlights for me, watching Brian watch those little kids sing and dance. He got such a kick out of it. They were Brian's entertainment. Wendy and Carnie are great gals, and of course Rob, and his kids with Melinda and support staff will take care of him and make sure there is music around him. I remember Brian saying something about his name Wilson meaning he was tough because he had a "strong will." But, we are pretty powerless, except that we can keep Brian in our prayers. 🙏🏻 And the collective gratitude and love, that members here, have beautifully expressed. ❤️ If you're still listening in the morning, you're braver than me. I haven't listened since this news broke. I don't mean this next part to make light of anything, but I couldn't listen to Pet Sounds for a few years after my pet died because I was afraid I would get sad. I didn't even make the connection of my "pet" dying and the album's title being "Pet" Sounds until right now. Sorry, this was an awful digression. The point is that I haven't found the courage to listen.
Maybe I was not clear. I mean on YouTube, Knebworth, C50, stuff from different eras that come up...there is a lot of happy upbeat music in there, to enjoy and set up your day in a nice direction. 🎶
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Post by kiwisurfer on Feb 17, 2024 23:41:21 GMT -5
As the days unfold, despite what's being put in place for Brian's future, it's hitting me harder and harder. Yes, to anyone who's watched his live shows since Covid, it's not exactly news but... dammit, it wasn't supposed to end like this. This lovely man has brought me, personally, so much utter joy, and because of his wonderful music I've met people I wouldn't normally have and been places I never imagined. Since summer 1975, my life changed due entirely due to Brian Wilson & The Beach Boys. I count myself fortunate to be able to tell him so, one on one. As I said before, I really don't need to know the ins and outs (yes, I just said that...), just that Brian is being cared for as he has been for decades. And he is, and if there's a good takeaway from these sad, sad times, it's that. Beautifully said, AGD.
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Post by ironhorseapples on Feb 18, 2024 6:51:15 GMT -5
Reading this thread has been cathartic, and sums up much of what I'm feeling. I've been listening to Pet Sounds a lot, and reading the Making of Pet Sounds booklet with the testimonials of the musicians who worked with him.
The idea that the mind that conceived of this joyous music is slipping away, is heartbreakingly sad.
Jerry Cole says this. "Long after Brian has left this earth, people will still be remarking, what a great, great talent. I'm so proud to have played a part in his recorded legacy."
I too feel proud to be a fan, to have met and conversed with him (about the weather), to basically have shared space and temporality with him in our brief lives.
I'm somewhat comforted with the idea that even when dementia has fully taken hold, music can still bring joy. It is often one of the last higher cognitive functions to go. I truly hope Brian's mind goes on singing its songs to the last.
I love you Brian, so very, very much.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Feb 18, 2024 10:45:50 GMT -5
I've had friends whose elderly parents who have had multiple major back surguries and both said each of their parent's came out of the surgury with signs of dementia from the anesthetic. Throw in 60 years of mental illness on top of that, not surprising to hear about this. I agree with the wishful thinking as far any future activies go. This happened in my family, with my father-in-law. He was normal and well, 86 years old, then broke his hip in an accidental fall. He was put under anesthesia during surgery, then developed dementia immediately when released. We were told it happens sometimes, a known risk. He agreed to the surgery, signed himself in, no consent needed from his family. He from that time forward required around the clock care. Within a few months of us trying to do it ourselves, we had to have him put in a nursing home. He died one year later, technically from pneumonia, but he never recovered enough to know who we were or where he was. It was a very sad end to his wonderful life. He was an art schoolteacher who spent his retirement painting every day. He had someone in one day a week to help clean the house, but otherwise was totally independent, cooked for himself, ect., until he had the surgery. This story about Brian doesn't tell me much. They put dementia in () like a catch word, not a diagnosis. As mikedonn said, "a tick box on a form." I hope Brian will be alright. That's all that can be said at this time. Speculating is just that. Time will tell. That article holds no real answers. Sells newspapers behind paywalls. Rolling Stone is not worth my time. Jean Sievers comment, that Emdeeh posted, says, "he continues to lead an active life." Let's hope he continues to enjoy his time on earth. Brian is certainly reeling from the loss of Melinda. As Cam said, "loss of a spouse (or any loved one) is a rough row to hoe on its own."
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Post by stuart on Feb 18, 2024 11:00:31 GMT -5
I certainly don’t have the longevity of relationships in this forum as most of you do, and I appreciate allowing me to, mostly read this forum. There has never been nor never will be another group whose voices can elicit almost every emotion I have experienced. I have Brian to thank for that. His and the boys music have been a part of my life since my siblings began playing their records when I was a toddler. This is going to be a long slog knowing Brian is slowly leaving us. But what a joy it has been to have the music for roughly 60 years. I’ll always say I was lucky to have been alive when the Beatles, Beach Boys, Bowie and The Who were making music. Peace.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 18, 2024 11:02:17 GMT -5
I've had friends whose elderly parents who have had multiple major back surguries and both said each of their parent's came out of the surgury with signs of dementia from the anesthetic. Throw in 60 years of mental illness on top of that, not surprising to hear about this. I agree with the wishful thinking as far any future activies go. This happened in my family, with my father-in-law. He was normal and well, 86 years old, then broke his hip in an accidental fall. He was put under anesthesia during surgery, then developed dementia immediately when released. We were told it happens sometimes, a known risk. He agreed to the surgery, signed himself in, no consent needed from his family. He from that time forward required around the clock care. Within a few months of us trying to do it ourselves, we had to have him put in a nursing home. He died one year later, technically from pneumonia, but he never recovered enough to know who we were or where he was. It was a very sad end to his wonderful life. He was an art schoolteacher who spent his retirement painting every day. He had someone in one day a week to help clean the house, but otherwise was totally independent, cooked for himself, ect., until he had the surgery. This story about Brian doesn't tell me much. They put dementia in () like a catch word, not a diagnosis. As mikedonn said, "a tick box on a form." I hope Brian will be alright. That's all that can be said at this time. Speculating is just that. Time will tell. That article holds no real answers. Sells newspapers behind paywalls. Rolling Stone is not worth my time. Jean Sievers comment, that Emdeeh posted, says, "he continues to lead an active life." Let's hope he continues to enjoy his time on earth. Brian is certainly reeling from the loss of Melinda. As Cam said, "loss of a spouse (or any loved one) is a rough row to hoe on its own." Sorry about your father-in-law. Crazy stuff can happen with anesthesia. He sounds like a great, creative guy. I bet his students loved him, too. With Brian, and the comment on "living an active life" - I'm hoping it is mild, and stays that way indefinitely (in mild cognitive impairment meaning there is still good function day-to-day) since that is a category and it was not "particularized" as any category, from mild-to-severe, on this form that was reported on. Fingers crossed that it is mild and Brian can keep going and be as active as possible indefinitely. It is a big loss for Brian and the kids. As Andrew said, "Life is not fair."
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Feb 18, 2024 12:10:25 GMT -5
I've had friends whose elderly parents who have had multiple major back surguries and both said each of their parent's came out of the surgury with signs of dementia from the anesthetic. Throw in 60 years of mental illness on top of that, not surprising to hear about this. I agree with the wishful thinking as far any future activies go. This happened in my family, with my father-in-law. He was normal and well, 86 years old, then broke his hip in an accidental fall. He was put under anesthesia during surgery, then developed dementia immediately when released. We were told it happens sometimes, a known risk. He agreed to the surgery, signed himself in, no consent needed from his family. He from that time forward required around the clock care. Within a few months of us trying to do it ourselves, we had to have him put in a nursing home. He died one year later, technically from pneumonia, but he never recovered enough to know who we were or where he was. It was a very sad end to his wonderful life. He was an art schoolteacher who spent his retirement painting every day. He had someone in one day a week to help clean the house, but otherwise was totally independent, cooked for himself, ect., until he had the surgery. This story about Brian doesn't tell me much. They put dementia in () like a catch word, not a diagnosis. As mikedonn said, "a tick box on a form." I hope Brian will be alright. That's all that can be said at this time. Speculating is just that. Time will tell. That article holds no real answers. Sells newspapers behind paywalls. Rolling Stone is not worth my time. Jean Sievers comment, that Emdeeh posted, says, "he continues to lead an active life." Let's hope he continues to enjoy his time on earth. Brian is certainly reeling from the loss of Melinda. As Cam said, "loss of a spouse (or any loved one) is a rough row to hoe on its own." This was how dementia started in my mother. She broke her hip at age 90 in August 2012. Her cognitive skills were fine right up until I spoke to her just before she was wheeled in for surgery. From the time she woke up after surgery she was never the same. She was lucid 80% of the time, but that 20% when she wasn’t, was very scary at first. She suffered with dementia for 6 years. By the fifth year the percentages reversed, then by the sixth and last year, she rarely was lucid. Just an awful disease that slowly dissolves memory, along with the lifetime of living. Makes me sad thinking about it and reliving those years. Very sad to see 96 years of life slowly fade away.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Feb 18, 2024 12:14:36 GMT -5
This happened in my family, with my father-in-law. He was normal and well, 86 years old, then broke his hip in an accidental fall. He was put under anesthesia during surgery, then developed dementia immediately when released. We were told it happens sometimes, a known risk. He agreed to the surgery, signed himself in, no consent needed from his family. He from that time forward required around the clock care. Within a few months of us trying to do it ourselves, we had to have him put in a nursing home. He died one year later, technically from pneumonia, but he never recovered enough to know who we were or where he was. It was a very sad end to his wonderful life. He was an art schoolteacher who spent his retirement painting every day. He had someone in one day a week to help clean the house, but otherwise was totally independent, cooked for himself, ect., until he had the surgery. This story about Brian doesn't tell me much. They put dementia in () like a catch word, not a diagnosis. As mikedonn said, "a tick box on a form." I hope Brian will be alright. That's all that can be said at this time. Speculating is just that. Time will tell. That article holds no real answers. Sells newspapers behind paywalls. Rolling Stone is not worth my time. Jean Sievers comment, that Emdeeh posted, says, "he continues to lead an active life." Let's hope he continues to enjoy his time on earth. Brian is certainly reeling from the loss of Melinda. As Cam said, "loss of a spouse (or any loved one) is a rough row to hoe on its own." Sorry about your father-in-law. Crazy stuff can happen with anesthesia. He sounds like a great, creative guy. I bet his students loved him, too. With Brian, and the comment on "living an active life" - I'm hoping it is mild, and stays that way indefinitely (in mild cognitive impairment meaning there is still good function day-to-day) since that is a category and it was not "particularized" as any category, from mild-to-severe, on this form that was reported on. Fingers crossed that it is mild and Brian can keep going and be as active as possible indefinitely. It is a big loss for Brian and the kids. As Andrew said, "Life is not fair." I'm still thinking we don't know much, even if Jean confirms the diagnosis. Brian has used caregivers since a long time ago. Losing your wife, that's another story. That creates a vacuum. I just celebrated 44 years on 3 February. Death is what one of us will have to deal with. We both turn 72 in the next two months. I have followed Brian and his brother's path through life, all of the group since 1963. Loss was part of that. I'm an outsider but it felt like losing a family member in many ways. I know what it feels like for young folks, too. I was in my twenties when Gram Parsons and Clarence White died. A sadness I had to deal with. Life is a fragile thing. I'm not sure how much it helps to talk about it on message boards. Life, death and all in-between is what time has in store. God bless, Brian. I will continue to watch and wait. I believe Brian will be alright. He has always had inner strength.
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Post by lonelysummer on Feb 18, 2024 15:43:47 GMT -5
What we're seeing with Brian is happening with all the artists I love. It's an inevitability I pondered back in the 80's. I thought "it's kind of a drag that all the artists I admire are so much older than me. I wonder what it's going to be like in the year 2000? Oh, no worries, other artists will come along that I will love just as much." Nope, never happened.
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Post by robin on Feb 20, 2024 23:44:02 GMT -5
My Dad always felt that Brian found ways to survive, even when it seemed that he’d gone over the edge (the worst times according to him being 1975 and 1980-82). He survived the terrible second regime of Dr. Landy, and found the mate in Melinda who could stabilize his life to the point that he could tour, finish SMILE, and make several first-rate tracks in his elder statesman phase. Brian has outlived the lifetime lengths of both his parents, which isn’t 100% indicative of anything per se, but that family history should remind us that he is much closer to the end of the road than the beginning & that we should be prepared for developments of this type.
Of course, given the intense collective regard for him that we all have, it’s difficult to be made aware of such signs of deterioration. Let’s hope that his condition is still relatively mild & that there’s still room for him to pull off several more “last hurrahs” thanks to the stability of care that he’s going to have. If not, we still have so much from him—a body of work that will last forever.
Whatever happens, let’s always remember that and be very thankful…
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Post by jay on Feb 21, 2024 0:17:16 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I really wish that this hadn't been made public. I don't know about you, but I would much rather have gone on believing that Brian had simply retired. That one of the most brilliant musical minds of the 20th/21st century, someone who has brought me countless hours of pure joy and happiness, is being taken away by dementia is cruel and evil. This wasn't supposed to happen. This isn't supposed to be how it all ends. Damn it.
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Post by northcoast on Feb 21, 2024 7:46:29 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I really wish that this hadn't been made public. I don't know about you, but I would much rather have gone on believing that Brian had simply retired. That one of the most brilliant musical minds of the 20th/21st century, someone who has brought me countless hours of pure joy and happiness, is being taken away by dementia is cruel and evil. This wasn't supposed to happen. This isn't supposed to be how it all ends. Damn it. I hear that but the application for conservatorship for such a well known person would be made public whether we like it or not. And the reasons for the application would have to be spelled out clearly. You and I as people outside the public eye can do these things off the radar. Someone like Brian Wilson is going to make the news.
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Post by AGD on Feb 21, 2024 7:48:36 GMT -5
Earlier today someone was asking me about the UK BWpS shows, and also the Pet Sounds gigs, and it got me thinking, so I dug out my list of BB and BW gigs I've seen. Here's Brians:
2002 - Pet Sounds January 27th Royal Festival Hall, London January 28th Royal Festival Hall, London January 29th Royal Festival Hall, London January 30th Royal Festival Hall, London June 7th Royal Centre, Nottingham June 9th Royal Festival Hall, London June 10th Royal Festival Hall, London 2004 - BWpS February 20th Royal Festival Hall, London February 22nd Royal Festival Hall, London February 26th Royal Festival Hall, London February 27th Royal Festival Hall, London
July 17th City Hall, Portsmouth July 24th Royal Festival Hall, London July 25th Royal Festival Hall, London July 27th Royal Festival Hall, London 2005 June 22nd Hampton Court Festival, East Molesey July 14th The Dome, Brighton July 15th NIA, Birmingham
2006 - Pet Sounds ("final UK performance") November 12th Adelphi, London
2007 - TLOS September 10th Royal Festival Hall, London September 11th Royal Festival Hall, London September 22nd Festival Theatre, Edinburgh 2009 July 11th Guilfest, Guilford September 3rd Roundhouse, London 2011 - BWRG September 16th Royal Festival Hall, London September 17th Royal Festival Hall, London 2016 - Pet Sounds (w/Alan & Blondie) May 21st Palladium, London May 22nd Palladium, London
As Brian would say, it's been a trip.
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Post by Autotune on Feb 21, 2024 8:18:17 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I really wish that this hadn't been made public. I don't know about you, but I would much rather have gone on believing that Brian had simply retired. That one of the most brilliant musical minds of the 20th/21st century, someone who has brought me countless hours of pure joy and happiness, is being taken away by dementia is cruel and evil. This wasn't supposed to happen. This isn't supposed to be how it all ends. Damn it. I hear that but the application for conservatorship for such a well known person would be made public whether we like it or not. And the reasons for the application would have to be spelled out clearly. You and I as people outside the public eye can do these things off the radar. Someone like Brian Wilson is going to make the news. Maybe. But Brian needed a conservator since who knows when. And a Court appointed one as soon as his ties with Landy were severed. First it was attorney Jerome S Billet. After he married Melinda, I think Melinda was legally appointed as such. A new conservator would have been appointed after Melinda died, dementia or not.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 21, 2024 9:53:30 GMT -5
I hear that but the application for conservatorship for such a well known person would be made public whether we like it or not. And the reasons for the application would have to be spelled out clearly. You and I as people outside the public eye can do these things off the radar. Someone like Brian Wilson is going to make the news. Maybe. But Brian needed a conservator since who knows when. And a Court appointed one as soon as his ties with Landy were severed. First it was attorney Jerome S Billet. After he married Melinda, I think Melinda was legally appointed as such. A new conservator would have been appointed after Melinda died, dementia or not. Exactly. It is a substitution of involved parties and responsibilities, and probably should not have had all this fanfare. Since Brian is a new widower, you look to 1st degree kinship, since the children have a strong/compelling interest in a parent's (Brian's) care. It is done all the time, because every family can be in a fluid situation, you have to respond and adapt to that person's needs. We hope it is mild and sounds like he can work on projects as he wants. It all depends on the situation. 🎶 I think of Tony Bennett whom I saw when he was pretty much only functioning best with music and on stage, not missing a note or a beat. And had no idea he was impaired at all. There were 80 and 90 year old groupies trying to climb on stage to get a kiss.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 21, 2024 11:14:11 GMT -5
The four early 2002 London PS gigs were preceded by one helluva night in Glasgow, easily one of the best gigs I’ve ever attended and, despite the way the BW band strive to represent the music as played on the records, one of the loosest and best-fun gigs I ever saw ‘em play. I reckon it was the Glasgow influence, they love a hoolie! The first six Smile gigs of 2004 were followed by Glasgow, Newcastle, Liverpool and Birmingham, all of which I managed to attend (I think there might have been gigs in Bristol and/or Brighton as well). Was sorry to miss some of the southern gigs, but the northern gigs always rocked better! Earlier today someone was asking me about the UK BWpS shows, and also the Pet Sounds gigs, and it got me thinking, so I dug out my list of BB and BW gigs I've seen. Here's Brians: 2002 - Pet SoundsJanuary 27th Royal Festival Hall, London January 28th Royal Festival Hall, London January 29th Royal Festival Hall, London January 30th Royal Festival Hall, London June 7th Royal Centre, Nottingham June 9th Royal Festival Hall, London June 10th Royal Festival Hall, London 2004 - BWpSFebruary 20th Royal Festival Hall, London February 22nd Royal Festival Hall, London February 26th Royal Festival Hall, London February 27th Royal Festival Hall, London July 17th City Hall, Portsmouth July 24th Royal Festival Hall, London July 25th Royal Festival Hall, London July 27th Royal Festival Hall, London 2005 June 22nd Hampton Court Festival, East Molesey July 14th The Dome, Brighton July 15th NIA, Birmingham 2006 - Pet Sounds ("final UK performance") November 12th Adelphi, London 2007 - TLOSSeptember 10th Royal Festival Hall, London September 11th Royal Festival Hall, London September 22nd Festival Theatre, Edinburgh 2009 July 11th Guilfest, Guilford September 3rd Roundhouse, London 2011 - BWRG September 16th Royal Festival Hall, London September 17th Royal Festival Hall, London 2016 - Pet Sounds (w/Alan & Blondie) May 21st Palladium, London May 22nd Palladium, London As Brian would say, it's been a trip.
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Post by AGD on Feb 21, 2024 12:02:52 GMT -5
The four early 2002 London PS gigs were preceded by one in Glasgow. The first six Smile gigs of 2004 were followed by Glasgow, Newcastle, Liverpool and Birmingham, and I think there might have been gigs in Bristol and/or Brighton as well. Was sorry to miss some of the southern gigs, but the northern gigs always rocked better! Earlier today someone was asking me about the UK BWpS shows, and also the Pet Sounds gigs, and it got me thinking, so I dug out my list of BB and BW gigs I've seen. Here's Brians: 2002 - Pet SoundsJanuary 27th Royal Festival Hall, London January 28th Royal Festival Hall, London January 29th Royal Festival Hall, London January 30th Royal Festival Hall, London June 7th Royal Centre, Nottingham June 9th Royal Festival Hall, London June 10th Royal Festival Hall, London 2004 - BWpSFebruary 20th Royal Festival Hall, London February 22nd Royal Festival Hall, London February 26th Royal Festival Hall, London February 27th Royal Festival Hall, London July 17th City Hall, Portsmouth July 24th Royal Festival Hall, London July 25th Royal Festival Hall, London July 27th Royal Festival Hall, London 2005 June 22nd Hampton Court Festival, East Molesey July 14th The Dome, Brighton July 15th NIA, Birmingham 2006 - Pet Sounds ("final UK performance") November 12th Adelphi, London 2007 - TLOSSeptember 10th Royal Festival Hall, London September 11th Royal Festival Hall, London September 22nd Festival Theatre, Edinburgh 2009 July 11th Guilfest, Guilford September 3rd Roundhouse, London 2011 - BWRG September 16th Royal Festival Hall, London September 17th Royal Festival Hall, London 2016 - Pet Sounds (w/Alan & Blondie) May 21st Palladium, London May 22nd Palladium, London As Brian would say, it's been a trip. These are just the ones I've seen... Full listings on 10452.
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Post by jay on Feb 21, 2024 15:51:14 GMT -5
Earlier today someone was asking me about the UK BWpS shows, and also the Pet Sounds gigs, and it got me thinking, so I dug out my list of BB and BW gigs I've seen. Here's Brians: 2002 - Pet SoundsJanuary 27th Royal Festival Hall, London January 28th Royal Festival Hall, London January 29th Royal Festival Hall, London January 30th Royal Festival Hall, London June 7th Royal Centre, Nottingham June 9th Royal Festival Hall, London June 10th Royal Festival Hall, London 2004 - BWpSFebruary 20th Royal Festival Hall, London February 22nd Royal Festival Hall, London February 26th Royal Festival Hall, London February 27th Royal Festival Hall, London July 17th City Hall, Portsmouth July 24th Royal Festival Hall, London July 25th Royal Festival Hall, London July 27th Royal Festival Hall, London 2005 June 22nd Hampton Court Festival, East Molesey July 14th The Dome, Brighton July 15th NIA, Birmingham 2006 - Pet Sounds ("final UK performance") November 12th Adelphi, London 2007 - TLOSSeptember 10th Royal Festival Hall, London September 11th Royal Festival Hall, London September 22nd Festival Theatre, Edinburgh 2009 July 11th Guilfest, Guilford September 3rd Roundhouse, London 2011 - BWRG September 16th Royal Festival Hall, London September 17th Royal Festival Hall, London 2016 - Pet Sounds (w/Alan & Blondie) May 21st Palladium, London May 22nd Palladium, London As Brian would say, it's been a trip. Out of curiosity, what were your favorites/least favorite? Obviously the BWPS gigs would have been out of this world.
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Post by newbbfan on Feb 21, 2024 23:08:35 GMT -5
I think you all know that I am a professor of medieval English literature but I also teach a class in la music in the context of Dante's inferno. That's why I teach the Beach Boys, and that's the class in which I'm very proud to say that David Marks has read some of the papers my students had written. And I've had the personal pleasure of talking to Al Jardine about this work and getting his blessings.
In that class today, 20 students listened to one student give a presentation on till I die, and they were so deeply engaged in the beauty of the metaphors and in the intensity of the music, and in the nexus of ecstasy and despair. I took this as a beautiful homage to Brian on the part of 20 kids in Los Angeles, spending 40 minutes today listening to an extremely important and beautiful Beach Boys song and thinking about the deep deep meaning of alienation and sadness in the context of a great literary work like Dante's inferno.
This was a beautiful moment for me as a teacher and one that I'm sure all of you would share as we think about Brian and his infinite gifts to us, and how they resonate in all the future generations. Thanks for letting me share this.
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