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Post by timegoodin on Feb 15, 2024 20:58:22 GMT -5
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Post by Emdeeh on Feb 15, 2024 21:30:38 GMT -5
I remain skeptical about parts of this report for now, but it sounds like at the heart of things is a necessary move to replace Melinda as Brian's conservator, a role she held from when they married.
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Post by Cam Mott on Feb 15, 2024 21:35:38 GMT -5
Jeez, is all I can think to say at the moment.
The Wilson family has confirmed on IG.
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Post by Zander on Feb 15, 2024 22:05:58 GMT -5
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Post by Emdeeh on Feb 15, 2024 22:11:23 GMT -5
No mention of any medical reasons for this decision from Brian's family on his social media, just confirming that LeeAnn Hard and Jean Sievers will take over from Melinda as his conservators.
The Daily Mail is a dodgy source, imo.
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Post by AGD on Feb 15, 2024 23:38:09 GMT -5
Gloria has been Brian's housekeeper for several decades, rather than several years. The unsung heroine of his story.
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Post by Awesoman on Feb 15, 2024 23:38:43 GMT -5
No mention of any medical reasons for this decision from Brian's family on his social media, just confirming that LeeAnn Hard and Jean Sievers will take over from Melinda as his conservators. The Daily Mail is a dodgy source, imo. Yeah the IG post gives no indication of his health condition but makes it seem like he's still working on projects. If the reports are true then this is a little misleading. Not that his camp are required to include us in the personal details but exactly what was the point of that IG post then? |
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Feb 15, 2024 23:51:47 GMT -5
Some cold hard truths here, and to be fair, not surprising to read about any of this.
I was only asking the other week, 'Who's gonna take care of Brian?', and to read this, is somewhat comforting
to a sad scenario.
I really can't see a better way forward for Brian either, and he is lucky to have Gloria, Jean and LeeAnn supporting
and providing him with the best comforts available to him.
This growing old business, seems to be a bitch.....
:/
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Post by nater on Feb 16, 2024 0:38:19 GMT -5
Gosh… can’t say I’m surprised, but I’m speechless.
I hope the rest of his time is comfortable and happy. G-d bless this beautiful amazing man.
His story isn’t a one of defeat or sadness. It’s one of overcoming, against the odds. Of creating beauty from dire circumstances. Of not only bringing his family together, but the world together through his art.
Thankful for this guy, and thankful for all the people (all of you included!) his music has introduced me to.
Love and mercy everybody
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Post by petsite on Feb 16, 2024 1:41:41 GMT -5
I am beyond devastated. But truly, not the least bit surprised after witnessing Brian in person as of late. Seeing him live in 2022 was a clear indication that something was wrong. As much as I love him and the band, he really should not have been out there. But, the sad truth is, most people who have struggled with mental issues seem to have this problem at the end. So do others. I have had 3 people in my family in the last 10 years fall victim to this type of illness. It is truly heartbreaking.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 16, 2024 1:52:34 GMT -5
bestclassicbands.com/brian-wilson-health-dementia-2-15-24/Very saddened but not entirely surprised to read these various reports. If dementia is indeed the case then things will grow tougher for the family and close friends as time goes on and I feel for them. We’ve a (fortunately not too severe, yet) case among our family at the moment; just a few years older than BW, and thankfully without his previous history and issues with mental and physical health. But I can empathise, as can many of us fans. Love n mercy, Brian.
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Post by lonelysummer on Feb 16, 2024 2:15:00 GMT -5
I'm reminded of that film about Glen Campbell's final years, "I'll Be Me". Essential viewing for anyone who's had to help a family member through that difficult time of life.
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Post by AGD on Feb 16, 2024 2:31:29 GMT -5
I think this (the transfer of conservatorship) is a good thing for Brian.
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Post by John Manning on Feb 16, 2024 4:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by E on Feb 16, 2024 4:13:39 GMT -5
Terrible news. I hope this helps him
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Post by ironhorseapples on Feb 16, 2024 5:41:26 GMT -5
From the Guardian piece:
He is described as someone “unable to properly provide for his or her personal needs for physical health, food, clothing, or shelter”. A doctor wrote in the documents that Wilson would not be able to attend a court hearing about the conservatorship, as he “often makes spontaneous irrelevant or incoherent utterances, has very short attention span and while unintentionally disruptive, is frequently unable to maintain decorum appropriate to the situation".
I'm not sure what to make of this. The second part sounds like a description of all of Brian's interviews since the mid 80's. This has sometimes been posited as resulting from tardive dyskinesia amongst other things, (due to Landy's prescription abuse). Brian has been diagnosed and misdiagnosed for years.
The first part, describing his lack of personal care also sounds familiar, which in the past was attributed to depression and paranoia. Perhaps this behaviour has resurfaced due to the recent trauma of losing his wife. There is no behaviour listed in the entire quote which sounds decidedly 'un-Brian'.
Perhaps though I just don't want to believe he has dementia.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 16, 2024 7:41:14 GMT -5
Some sections of this article are pretty good, detailing that the conservatee (Brian) doesn't have the capacity to administer medications that Brian needs to "slow" the progression of his dementia. That is the key here. If they are time-release medications, or wear off after a certain amount of time, they have to be taken at regular times, and this seems a very good thing to ensure that Brian can preserve the greatest function for as long as possible. Two of my friends have spouses, who are in the midst of this nightmare, that seems to be an epidemic now. Both happened to play football as kids. Is it related? Who knows? What also comes through the article is the goal of keeping Brian at home, so important on so many levels. We can keep Brian and his kids in our prayers. 🙏🏻❤️ |
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Post by Autotune on Feb 16, 2024 8:07:13 GMT -5
The bit about the spontaneous, incoherent utterances echoes the statement of his Christmas tour cancellation (2021? 2019?). “I say things I don’t mean” or words to that effect. No question this has been an ongoing issue for some time.
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Post by bookofb on Feb 16, 2024 10:14:09 GMT -5
Maybe it's hair-splitting, but the main thrust of the report - the main takeaway - is not that "Brian Wilson has dementia." It's that his manager(s) are attempting to establish a conservatorship. This, by itself, is not that surprising; I would think it's to be expected given the recent circumstances.
I have no experience in this field, but you have to assume that it's not easy to obtain a conservatorship over anybody, especially when the people seeking the conservatorship are non-relatives, when the subject has considerable wealth, and also when he has a known history of being abused and exploited by relatives and non-relatives alike. (at least it should be difficult - the legal hurdles should, hopefully, remain high) So, to get court approval, you have to assume that the petition has to be written in such a way as to leave no doubt as to the need for the conservatorship. The most dire situation has to be presented in the filings. (Can you imagine filing for the conservatorship while saying, "well, yeah, he's sort of okay, but there's a history of this, that and the other thing that's been going on for decades, and he's going to be 82, and there's this backstory with Brian and Melinda, Brian had effectively delegated day-to-day affairs to Melinda who was his wife (which made various legalities unnecessary) but now she's gone, so really, to make things easy for him and for us, judge, will you be nice and do us a favor?")
But we really don't know anything. The situation certainly could be as described. Maybe it's even worse. I have no idea. But legal pleadings are not inherently factual; they are not written to present facts and truth to the public (or the courts). These internet news reports present it as if it's all fact. But I don't think we know that much.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 16, 2024 10:38:12 GMT -5
Maybe it's hair-splitting, but the main thrust of the report - the main takeaway - is not that "Brian Wilson has dementia." It's that his manager(s) are attempting to establish a conservatorship. This, by itself, is not that surprising; I would think it's to be expected given the recent circumstances.
I have no experience in this field, but you have to assume that it's not easy to obtain a conservatorship over anybody, especially when the people seeking the conservatorship are non-relatives, when the subject has considerable wealth, and also when he has a known history of being abused and exploited by relatives and non-relatives alike. (at least it should be difficult - the legal hurdles should, hopefully, remain high) So, to get court approval, you have to assume that the petition has to be written in such a way as to leave no doubt as to the need for the conservatorship. The most dire situation has to be presented in the filings. (Can you imagine filing for the conservatorship while saying, "well, yeah, he's sort of okay, but there's a history of this, that and the other thing that's been going on for decades, and he's going to be 82, and there's this backstory with Brian and Melinda, Brian had effectively delegated day-to-day affairs to Melinda who was his wife (which made various legalities unnecessary) but now she's gone, so really, to make things easy for him and for us, judge, will you be nice and do us a favor?")
But we really don't know anything. The situation certainly could be as described. Maybe it's even worse. I have no idea. But legal pleadings are not inherently factual; they are not written to present facts and truth to the public (or the courts). These internet news reports present it as if it's all fact. But I don't think we know that much.
It reads more that they are "substitute conservators." So they "stand in the shoes" of a/the prior conservator/spouse. It says the assets are in a trust. There is a lot we don't know, so inferring much, or anything, is probably not appropriate; or to infer someone's intent or potentially bad motives. We don't know that. It is often the mature, adult family members/children/siblings (who are gone in this case) most often, who assert that information to the court, to be installed in that role. And it is a private matter for the family. Others could step forward (such as his kids, working together in a sibling role, as is very common now, sharing the responsibility of caring for the medical needs a parent) and petition the court, as well to help in this role. The article threw in Jay Leno's petition which has zero to do with Brian's, except memory issues and caregiving decisions are what is at stake. Everyone's circumstances are different and Jay is the petitioning spouse. Here, there are also living, competent children. It won't be heard for a couple of months. Someone could be appointed temporarily during this early phase prior to a hearing, but only "temporarily." We really don't know, and shouldn't speculate. If Brian has some measure of dementia, and he needs medication, which is getting better all the time, someone needs to administer it, in a medically-prescribed time-cycle. Someone needs to do that, or delegate it to a caregiver. But, like everything else, it requires supervision and oversight. We all are hoping for the best result for Brian. |
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Post by gerry on Feb 16, 2024 11:03:38 GMT -5
Being a fan at this time of life is very difficult, it's new territory , the fun is over. Of course you can listen to the music but i can't do that without thinking about the people who made it. Every time I look at an old video it just makes me sad to think that Dennis and Carl are gone and now Brian who seems to have been gone for a few years, God love him. It's a hard time to care so much about these guys.
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Post by Awesoman on Feb 16, 2024 11:09:58 GMT -5
What is unclear to me is whether or not this disorder similar to dementia is a new diagnosis for him or if this is the same case of his usual erratic behavior that we've all come to expect from him due to mental illness. It's a sad situation either way.
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Post by AGD on Feb 16, 2024 11:45:55 GMT -5
I don't need to know all the ins and out, all I need to know is that Brian is being properly cared for. And he is.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 16, 2024 11:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by timegoodin on Feb 16, 2024 12:16:32 GMT -5
I don't post much being a mere fan with feelings. Great minds, scholar level folks, don't need to read my silliness. But I started this thread impulsively when I came here and saw that no one was commiserating just yet. I can't help but hope that hitting the keys on this topic doesn't wound the dignity of Brian or his loved ones. Some of the questions raised here came to me as well. Was this merely a description of Brian's long standing condition, or did a newer, progressive wrinkle begin around the time he postponed his mid-2019 shows? Something else? When you care, it's just hard not to wonder.
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