petsite
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Post by petsite on Jul 10, 2022 3:33:54 GMT -5
Haven't been posting as of late. Been really under the weather. But I did want to say something about all of the bashing that is taking place on both boards. It's one of the reasons I did not post during most the last two years. People cooped up inside because of Covid did not help the situation. So much anger. I could not take it. When people use to disagree, it was "Hey, that is your opinion. I don't agree with it, but, hey I like what I like." In so many arguments anymore, it has become "THAT'S your opinion? What kind of shallow end of the gene pool are you from. I hope you get hit by a plane falling out of the sky that kills your whole family. THIS OPINION HERE is the only one to have!!!! GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK!" While that last statement is an exaggeration, there is a lot of "you only think that way because you're a moron" kind of speech. This music is precious and finite. There will NEVER be a catalog of work like this ever again. And it took FIVE people to bring it to pass. No less than that. While I don't like everyone in the group, they ALL played an integral part in bring this music to life AND to keep it going for 60+ years. So next time someone wants to throw shit at each other, SMILEY board here and ENDLESS HARMONY board there, remember that there is a common thread that binds us. Forget that, and we forget the reason we started on this journey in the first place.
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Post by Vale on Jul 10, 2022 3:37:02 GMT -5
Absolutely agree.
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Post by boogieboarder on Jul 10, 2022 9:34:19 GMT -5
We can still bash She and Him, though, right?
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Post by filledeplage on Jul 10, 2022 10:04:33 GMT -5
Haven't been posting as of late. Been really under the weather. But I did want to say something about all of the bashing that is taking place on both boards. It's one of the reasons I did not post during most the last two years. People cooped up inside because of Covid did not help the situation. So much anger. I could not take it. When people use to disagree, it was "Hey, that is your opinion. I don't agree with it, but, hey I like what I like." In so many arguments anymore, it has become "THAT'S your opinion? What kind of shallow end of the gene pool are you from. I hope you get hit by a plane falling out of the sky that kills your whole family. THIS OPINION HERE is the only one to have!!!! GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK!" While that last statement is an exaggeration, there is a lot of "you only think that way because you're a moron" kind of speech. This music is precious and finite. There will NEVER be a catalog of work like this ever again. And it took FIVE people to bring it to pass. No less than that. While I don't like everyone in the group, they ALL played an integral part in bring this music to life AND to keep it going for 60+ years. So next time someone wants to throw shit at each other, SMILEY board here and ENDLESS HARMONY board there, remember that there is a common thread that binds us. Forget that, and we forget the reason we started on this journey in the first place.
Keep posting, petsite. Photos tell the story that is neutral. You are correct about the disagreement thing. But that is part of this whole social media vitriol that has removed the essence of courtesy. Calling someone a moron is non-productive and says more about the speaker than the one attacked. Yes, it is that music journey. That is our journey. The whole “camps” thing is so upsetting, to me, and stems from seeing the band (and that includes Brian) in the 60s being blackballed and now that seems to be accepted with the runout of facts from many members, here. You would never think of them as 2 camps because the music was one dynamic. You would defend the whole band, not just the touring component or the Brian component. We knew them as indivisible- at least on the surface and together put on a badass show. You hear that “mine’s better” (the teams) dynamic with kids in school. Social media brought it here. We can’t really do a “couda, woulda, shoulda,” but had the band had the tech stuff, from today, like FaceTime, the band would have been more connected to Brian, and, and he to them, so even minor stuff could be sorted out, rather than a pile-on, with exhausted musicians coming home to new this, or changed that, throwing a bunch of jet-lagged exhausted guys (and you can see that from a lot of the photos) into a new situation. Throw in the “weasels and the drainers” for extra measure, to add stress to the families. There might have been a better flow. Brian could have seen these shows and help be more involved, with Brian not cut off from the band, either. There might have been less need or compulsion, to do solo work (the DL book was kind of enlightening about Carl playing his album for Brian) but, on the other hand, everyone has to break out of their own shell. It is part of being an actualized human being. We can’t fix that, but if I learned anything from reading this book is that a 25 is not a 70 year old perspective. DL went into the belly of the beast, maybe held his nose,but, opened his mind, and read Mike’s book, coming away with a useful perspective. Academics must do the reading to be fair and balanced, in front of their students. And while not Kum-bay-a, keeping in mind, your concept about coming from the same place, might be in order. He is with in synch with his grandma, “where there is life, there is hope.”
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sockit
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Post by sockit on Jul 10, 2022 10:16:27 GMT -5
Let's FIGHT for success!
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 10, 2022 10:30:24 GMT -5
Haven't been posting as of late. Been really under the weather. But I did want to say something about all of the bashing that is taking place on both boards. It's one of the reasons I did not post during most the last two years. People cooped up inside because of Covid did not help the situation. So much anger. I could not take it. When people use to disagree, it was "Hey, that is your opinion. I don't agree with it, but, hey I like what I like." In so many arguments anymore, it has become "THAT'S your opinion? What kind of shallow end of the gene pool are you from. I hope you get hit by a plane falling out of the sky that kills your whole family. THIS OPINION HERE is the only one to have!!!! GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK!" While that last statement is an exaggeration, there is a lot of "you only think that way because you're a moron" kind of speech. This music is precious and finite. There will NEVER be a catalog of work like this ever again. And it took FIVE people to bring it to pass. No less than that. While I don't like everyone in the group, they ALL played an integral part in bring this music to life AND to keep it going for 60+ years. So next time someone wants to throw shit at each other, SMILEY board here and ENDLESS HARMONY board there, remember that there is a common thread that binds us. Forget that, and we forget the reason we started on this journey in the first place.
Bob, honestly, I don’t know what to say. This is a Beach Boys message board for crying out loud. There is no Kum-bay-a moments in these places. We mirror the band that we come here to talk about, honor, praise and talk shit about. Right now, members are still bashing Mike Love for a 34 year old speech. You’d think he killed somebody or something, you know? We still talk smack about Mike and the rest of the band during Smile. We know it is mostly myth, but the fandom cannot help itself. Fandom has been taken in lot, stock and barrel by authors looking to tell a fantastic story. We eat it up, spit it out, and then complain about the taste in our mouth. We’re Beach Boys fans, it is what we do. As Mods here, we try to keep things in check, yet we understand visiting here is not exactly utopia. Like Marshals and Sheriffs in the old west, we walk the streets trying to keep the peace. Thank you for hanging in here with us.
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Post by Mikie on Jul 10, 2022 10:39:09 GMT -5
Bob, we're going to let this thread sit here for a little while, then move it into the "Forum Feedback" section of the board. I know it's more visible to the members here in the main forum, but it really belongs in the "Forum Feedback" area. Going forward, would members please post all of your feedback, comments, requests, and other input regarding THIS board in the "Forum Feedback" section? Thanks!
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Post by tomtomplayboy on Jul 10, 2022 13:29:05 GMT -5
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