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Post by Paul JB on Sept 13, 2020 10:12:56 GMT -5
I was listening to an original vinyl copy of Eric Carmen’s debut solo album for the first time in a long time yesterday and not only is it a great record but wow it’s got The Beach Boys sounds all over the place. Not a revelation exactly as I’m a Carmen and Raspberries fan and already knew he was influenced but this song sounds like Brian wrote and produced it. Probably in large part by the obvious borrow from GV at the 1:45 mark.
Likely this topic has been covered in some capacity before but I’m thinking more about people that had success in no small part due to Brian Wilson. The chain, the evolution, like...no Chuck Berry maybe no Beach Boys kind of stuff. Anybody else have suggestions or examples?
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Post by E on Sept 13, 2020 13:43:05 GMT -5
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Post by Paul JB on Sept 13, 2020 14:20:37 GMT -5
Yes I’m aware of that thread. I was referring more to the point of those that owe a lot for their own careers success to the inspiration of Brian. If not I’m sure Mikie can dump or merge this.
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Post by Mikie on Sept 16, 2020 14:12:09 GMT -5
If not I’m sure Mikie can dump or merge this. Nah, I'm gonna hang you out to dry, Paul! Here's some artists that were influenced directly by Brian's & The Boys' writing, singing, and/or productions, and have spoken (or sang about it) at one time or another during interviews. I'll be truthful, I haven't heard many of these bands' work before. Looking to you guys for confirmation on the more recent bands..... The Survivors Jan & Dean Bruce & Terry Sunrays Hondells The Nodeans The Tradewinds Eric Carmen (Raspberries) The Who (especially Townsend, Daltrey, and Moonie) The Association The Eagles (especially Frey, Schmidt, and Walsh) Chicago (especially Cetera) Crosby Stills, Nash Neil Young Lindsey Buckingham Yes (especially Howe) Abba Three Dog Night The Ramones The Cowsills Jeff Lynne Roy Wood Rivers Cuomo Marc Bolan The Wondermints The High Llamas Weezer Kraftwerk Daft Punk My Morning Jacket Weezer The Thrills The Panda Band John Cale Elvis Costello Sean Lennon Matthew Sweet Dave Edmunds The Bloody Valentine First Class Velvet Crush R.E.M. Barenaked Ladies Radiohead Animal Collective Elliott Smith Al Kooper Stackridge Grizzly Bear Elephant 6 Dr. Dog Fleet Foxes Tame Impala Dirty Projectors Sugar Candy Mountain Moses Gunn Collective Explorers Club Blink 182 The Carpenters Splitsville Paul Steel Sunrise Highway The Twilight Hours Vinyl Kings Spyderbaby The Sonic Executive Sessions The Fraternal Order of the All Teenage Fanclub Andorra Silverchair The Shins Divine Comedy Chris Rainbow Lewis Taylor Terry Scott Taylor's Minor Poet Ariel Pink The Olivia Tremor Control Prefab Sprout The Apples In Stereo Foals And then there’s McCartney, Eric Clapton, Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Elton, Roger Waters, and Tom Petty who love(d) Pet Sounds.
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Post by Matt H on Sept 16, 2020 15:14:48 GMT -5
These artists could be added to the list as well:
Emile Haynie Mini Mansions Kesha
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Post by sneakypete77 on Sept 17, 2020 3:40:21 GMT -5
How’s about Jellyfish – Sturmer and Manning alternate between Lennon/Wilson and the fade has just about everything you need to tick that box:
And Manning does Disney Girls (sort of)
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Post by sneakypete77 on Sept 17, 2020 3:58:42 GMT -5
Mikie, so thrilled to see local County Durham band Prefab Sprout on your list. Main man Paddy McAloon has spent most of his career extolling the virtues of Brian Wilson to anyone who’d listen. His liner notes to their 2009 album Let’s Change The World With Music were less about the Prefabs and more about Brian and SMiLE. This is from an earlier album, From Langley Park to Memphis and is a slow number with some fine BW influenced chord changes; and not to be outdone by BB85, they managed to sneak Stevie into the studio to provide the harmonica break:
Little tidbit to end this story; Paddy read Nick Kent’s 1975 NME three-part "Last Beach Movie" when he was 18, which kick-started his love for The Beach Boys. In 1995 he met up with Kent, who had updated the saga two years previously when he had visited Brian at his Malibu home. There, on a shelf in Brian’s living room Kent had spotted a copy of From Langley Park to Memphis, so maybe there was some mutual appreciation happening there; whatever, reportedly Paddy almost shat himself when told.
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Post by Paul JB on Sept 17, 2020 20:32:51 GMT -5
That’s a great list Mikie. I have no idea who many of them are either. My sister really likes the Carpenters, she was lucky to have seen them live, I’ll have to tell her as that was unknown to me. Although I did know about their covers of Fun, Fun, Fun and Dead Mana Curve. Thought they were CARPENTERS songs when I first heard them on my sisters album...before Endless Summer was released.
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Post by Zander on Sept 19, 2020 17:09:03 GMT -5
Check out Irish band "Hal" - Brian / BB influence all over their debut album. Very Sunflower-esque.
Their singles "Play the Hits" "Worry About the Wind" are absolutely brilliant. Check them out on YouTube.
Also the Lemon Twigs are very good.
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Post by Will/P.P. on Sept 19, 2020 18:10:11 GMT -5
Mikie, so thrilled to see local County Durham band Prefab Sprout on your list. Main man Paddy McAloon has spent most of his career extolling the virtues of Brian Wilson to anyone who’d listen. His liner notes to their 2009 album Let’s Change The World With Music were less about the Prefabs and more about Brian and SMiLE. This is from an earlier album, From Langley Park to Memphis and is a slow number with some fine BW influenced chord changes; and not to be outdone by BB85, they managed to sneak Stevie into the studio to provide the harmonica break:
Little tidbit to end this story; Paddy read Nick Kent’s 1975 NME three-part "Last Beach Movie" when he was 18, which kick-started his love for The Beach Boys. In 1995 he met up with Kent, who had updated the saga two years previously when he had visited Brian at his Malibu home. There, on a shelf in Brian’s living room Kent had spotted a copy of From Langley Park to Memphis, so maybe there was some mutual appreciation happening there; whatever, reportedly Paddy almost shat himself when told.
Great story, Pete! And you picked one from my favorite Prefab Sprout album (by an inch). I've got to get that Joseph Manning Jr. album.
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Post by sneakypete77 on Sept 25, 2020 5:52:42 GMT -5
Will, here’s a little join-up-the-dots exercise that you might find interesting. Firstly, this is me with Roger Manning in June 2007; the story behind it was posted just after I joined the forum:
We exchanged signed CDs that day, I got his Land of Pure Imagination and I gave him a copy of Prefab Sprout’s Steve McQueen Legacy Edition that the McAloons autographed for him before I left home. Roger is a serious Prefabs fan and the appreciation is entirely mutual; when I spoke with Martin McAloon some years ago he told me that they had all been in the audience on the night in April 1991 when Jellyfish rocked The Riverside in Newcastle to the core, and he still puts it way up there on his list of best gigs ever. In the very beginning, before Jellyfish was a reality, Sturmer and Manning auditioned for a bass player with a stipulation that anyone coming forward had to have been inspired/influenced by XTC as they were then both huge fans of Andy and the boys from Swindon, and Brit-rock in general. When Roger assembled his second solo album Catnip Dynamite in 2008 he hit a brick wall when trying to get any of the established labels to distribute it. For some reason, and probably as a last resort he got in touch with me to ask if there were any UK companies that might show an interest. At the time, Martin McAloon was working as a kind of freelance A&R guy so I passed Roger on to him and over the course of the next few months several promising possibilities were explored. At one point Andy Partridge became involved and a deal with his APE Records label was discussed, which greatly excited Roger as you might imagine. But eventually a deal was struck with Oglio in the U.S., a label which had already reissued Brian’s Live At The Roxy set a few years previously. OK, if you’re still with me, and getting ever so slightly back on topic, meanwhile in Tacoma, Washington……..
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Post by sneakypete77 on Sept 25, 2020 5:59:12 GMT -5
…a talented songwriter and musician named Scott McPherson had been stockpiling tunes. He gathered some mates together and they recorded many of them under the name of Tiny Volcano. His love of The Beach Boys shines through several of the songs on their self-titled debut album. This is my personal favourite, a sweet keyboards/synth-based instrumental with wordless harmonies and dreamy interlude. I’ve always thought that if I Went To Sleep had been written in the time of Love You, it might have sounded a bit like this: Fast forward to 2012 and Scott is planning homage to another of his music heroes, Prefab Sprout. He invited fellow fans via the Sprout forum to submit ideas, lyrics, and suggestions for instrumental accompaniment. Probyn Gregory has long been a confirmed Sprout-Head so I mentioned this to him and he came on board at an early stage, providing guitar on one of the tracks. A coup for the whole project was securing the services of Prefabs’ drummer Neil Conti for nine of the thirteen songs. The result was the 2013 album Sproutless: Insights From Retrospect which features Scott McPherson sounding uncannily like Paddy McAloon throughout:
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Post by eraserheadbaby on Sept 25, 2020 11:53:37 GMT -5
I'd argue that The Beatles were heavily inspired by The Beach Boys
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 13:28:02 GMT -5
these people I hear
The Captain & Tennille (and surrounding family) Betty Boo Saint Etienne Lush Frank Black Inga Humpe (via Trevor Horn) John Carter
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Post by wontlastforever on Feb 5, 2022 9:34:40 GMT -5
I was just listening to one of my favourite contemporary bands - Fontaines DC - and have always thought their apparent affection for the Beach Boys shines through on this song. The harmonies at the end, the distinct sound of the guitars, the God Only Knows drum sequence as the song builds to a crescendo - I can't help think of the Beach Boys each time I listen to it.
Given that they recently paid homage to Carl on his birthday via one of their social media accounts, I'm pretty sure they're big fans. Anyway, IMO a great song by influenced great band.
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Post by jds on Feb 5, 2022 11:28:45 GMT -5
I find most examples of direct and overt Beach Boys influence to be terrible listening -- even when done by otherwise skilled and accomplished artists -- which makes me appreciate 1) how sui generis the group was and 2) how elusive the group's strengths were.
"Blueside" by Rooney is probably one of a handful of consciously derivative efforts that don't cause me to cringe.
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Post by wontlastforever on Feb 5, 2022 12:05:38 GMT -5
To me this is a nod towards our boys rather than an attempt by FDC to ape their music or be derivative. They very much have their own style, and I can see more influence by the likes of Joy Division and The Fall in their wider music than the Beach Boys. I agree with the sentiment about direct copying of the Beach Boys style though - that stuff for me is totally unlistenable.
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Post by filledeplage on Feb 5, 2022 12:09:42 GMT -5
To me this is a nod towards our boys rather than an attempt by FDC to ape their music or be derivative. They very much have their own style, and I can see more influence by the likes of Joy Division and The Fall in their wider music than the Beach Boys. I agree with the sentiment about direct copying of the Beach Boys style though - that stuff for me is totally unlistenable. Often imitated, never duplicated. No way, no how. Add The Mamas and The Papas and The Turtles?
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Post by illbethesnice on Feb 6, 2022 10:09:50 GMT -5
No one seems to have mentioned Tatsuro Yamashita, though I thought he was well-known among Beach Boys fans at least for a few of his covers (Please Let Me Wonder," "Darlin'," and "Guess I'm Dumb," among others). He also once had an independent record label that he named... Wild Honey records. But lest anyone think he's just a Beach Boys tribute act, he was actually a pretty major artist in Japan in the late 1970s/early 1980s, and is mainly known as the pioneer of "City Pop," which has weirdly generated interest among younger people in the U.S. in recent years. There's a song he wrote and produced in the early 1980s called "Plastic Love" performed by Mariya Takeuchi (Yamashita's wife) that went viral on youtube a few years ago for some reason.
Here are some songs of his I like:
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Post by DHink182 on Feb 7, 2022 2:28:23 GMT -5
As mentioned above, Mark Hoppus of blink-182 (and Tom DeLonge's other band, Angels & Airwaves) have both cited The Beach Boys as major creative influences, both on blink's self-titled 2003 album (particularly on track Feeling This) and Angels & Airwaves latest record. Very cool.
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Post by sneakypete77 on Feb 7, 2022 5:53:05 GMT -5
This is Pugwash, ostensibly fun-loving and slightly unhinged Irish musician Thomas Walsh plus fluid line-up. On their 2010 album “Eleven Modern Antiquities” the cast boasted avowed Brian Wilson fans such as definitely unhinged Neil Hannon of Divine Comedy, Andy Partridge and Dave Gregory of XTC, ex-Jellyfish guitarist Jason Falkner, with various percussion and backing vocals supplied by Nelson Bragg. With a pedigree such as that I reckon Pugwash meet all the necessary criteria:
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Post by steelyman57 on Aug 8, 2022 19:58:42 GMT -5
Paul Steel ………In a Coma
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Post by Chuck's rewind on Aug 9, 2022 10:36:11 GMT -5
…a talented songwriter and musician named Scott McPherson had been stockpiling tunes. He gathered some mates together and they recorded many of them under the name of Tiny Volcano. His love of The Beach Boys shines through several of the songs on their self-titled debut album. This is my personal favourite, a sweet keyboards/synth-based instrumental with wordless harmonies and dreamy interlude. I’ve always thought that if I Went To Sleep had been written in the time of Love You, it might have sounded a bit like this: Fast forward to 2012 and Scott is planning homage to another of his music heroes, Prefab Sprout. He invited fellow fans via the Sprout forum to submit ideas, lyrics, and suggestions for instrumental accompaniment. Probyn Gregory has long been a confirmed Sprout-Head so I mentioned this to him and he came on board at an early stage, providing guitar on one of the tracks. A coup for the whole project was securing the services of Prefabs’ drummer Neil Conti for nine of the thirteen songs. The result was the 2013 album Sproutless: Insights From Retrospect which features Scott McPherson sounding uncannily like Paddy McAloon throughout:
For Pete;
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Post by Chuck's rewind on Aug 9, 2022 10:37:46 GMT -5
Will, here’s a little join-up-the-dots exercise that you might find interesting. Firstly, this is me with Roger Manning in June 2007; the story behind it was posted just after I joined the forum:
View AttachmentWe exchanged signed CDs that day, I got his Land of Pure Imagination and I gave him a copy of Prefab Sprout’s Steve McQueen Legacy Edition that the McAloons autographed for him before I left home. Roger is a serious Prefabs fan and the appreciation is entirely mutual; when I spoke with Martin McAloon some years ago he told me that they had all been in the audience on the night in April 1991 when Jellyfish rocked The Riverside in Newcastle to the core, and he still puts it way up there on his list of best gigs ever. In the very beginning, before Jellyfish was a reality, Sturmer and Manning auditioned for a bass player with a stipulation that anyone coming forward had to have been inspired/influenced by XTC as they were then both huge fans of Andy and the boys from Swindon, and Brit-rock in general. When Roger assembled his second solo album Catnip Dynamite in 2008 he hit a brick wall when trying to get any of the established labels to distribute it. For some reason, and probably as a last resort he got in touch with me to ask if there were any UK companies that might show an interest. At the time, Martin McAloon was working as a kind of freelance A&R guy so I passed Roger on to him and over the course of the next few months several promising possibilities were explored. At one point Andy Partridge became involved and a deal with his APE Records label was discussed, which greatly excited Roger as you might imagine. But eventually a deal was struck with Oglio in the U.S., a label which had already reissued Brian’s Live At The Roxy set a few years previously. OK, if you’re still with me, and getting ever so slightly back on topic, meanwhile in Tacoma, Washington…….. Again... For Peter W
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Post by sneakypete77 on Sept 4, 2022 6:35:58 GMT -5
Cheers Chuck, all it needed to bring it up to orgasmic would have been for Sturmer to walk in, hugs all round and getting down to business once again. Highly unlikely, given that Roger told me he wouldn't cross the road to say "Hi" to Andy if he ever saw him in the street. Very sad, the potential of that band was massive.
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