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Post by Al S on Jun 29, 2020 8:20:43 GMT -5
Tick, tick, tick...
I will happily pre-order, hint hint...
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Post by Micha on Jun 29, 2020 16:13:24 GMT -5
If I had to wish, it would be an update of the 2011 SMiLE CD with the surviving Beach Boys singing the missing lyrics from BWPS.
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Post by John Manning on Jun 29, 2020 16:16:52 GMT -5
Tick, tick, tick... I will happily pre-order, hint hint... Y’mean y’havent already?
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Post by AGD on Jun 30, 2020 4:47:34 GMT -5
If I had to wish, it would be an update of the 2011 SMiLE CD with the surviving Beach Boys singing the missing lyrics from BWPS. No, no, a million times no.
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Post by John Manning on Jun 30, 2020 5:37:56 GMT -5
If I had to wish, it would be an update of the 2011 SMiLE CD with the surviving Beach Boys singing the missing lyrics from BWPS. I think there've already been enough incarnations of the 2004 Smile, which this would be another version of, given that the 2011 Smile was heavily based on the 2004 Smile. The mixers and te bootleggers have all had a crack at it.
I'd prefer to see those mysterious Durrie Parks acetates find their way on to a legitimate release, along with the handful of outstanding bits and pieces such as Brian's "Child" mix… a 2CD "anniversary" edition of the 2011 box, for next year, should surely wrap everything Smile up once and for all?
And what would we do then?
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Post by dauber on Jun 30, 2020 13:33:13 GMT -5
I seem to remember AGD said that the Durrie acetates were auditioned and had nothing significant, hence their non-inclusion on TSS???
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Post by zebulan on Jun 30, 2020 13:46:43 GMT -5
I seem to remember AGD said that the Durrie acetates were auditioned and had nothing significant, hence their non-inclusion on TSS??? That obviously can't be the case, given that one of them contains the final version of the I'm in Great Shape section and an early version of CWR, both of which seem to exist nowhere else. Sourced from here.Sourced from here.
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Post by Mikie on Jun 30, 2020 14:53:38 GMT -5
If I had to wish, it would be an update of the 2011 SMiLE CD with the surviving Beach Boys singing the missing lyrics from BWPS. I'd prefer to see those mysterious Durrie Parks acetates find their way on to a legitimate release, along with the handful of outstanding bits and pieces such as Brian's "Child" mix… a 2CD "anniversary" edition of the 2011 box, for next year, should surely wrap everything Smile up once and for all?
And what would we do then?
Nah, the Smile-O-Philes still wouldn't be happy.
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Post by AGD on Jun 30, 2020 16:37:03 GMT -5
On the first night of BWPS in London, I was fully expecting someone to stand up at some point and shout "NO ! IT DOESN'T GO LIKE THAT !!!".
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Post by John Manning on Jun 30, 2020 16:50:44 GMT -5
I seem to remember AGD said that the Durrie acetates were auditioned and had nothing significant, hence their non-inclusion on TSS??? Were there not, in the end, two lots of Durrie Parks acetates? The first was auditioned and, indeed, had nothing substantially new, but the second came to light after the box set, had serious shit on them, and were snaffled up by a collector?
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Post by John Manning on Jun 30, 2020 16:51:44 GMT -5
On the first night of BWPS in London, I was fully expecting someone to stand up at some point and shout " NO ! IT DOESN'T GO LIKE THAT !!!". Well, it didn’t, didn’t it!
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Post by dauber on Jun 30, 2020 19:41:36 GMT -5
On the first night of BWPS in London, I was fully expecting someone to stand up at some point and shout " NO ! IT DOESN'T GO LIKE THAT !!!".
My wife and I said we expected Dan Lega to do that. (He told me, though, that he loved it.)
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Post by Paul JB on Jul 1, 2020 9:51:26 GMT -5
I seem to remember AGD said that the Durrie acetates were auditioned and had nothing significant, hence their non-inclusion on TSS??? Were there not, in the end, two lots of Durrie Parks acetates? The first was auditioned and, indeed, had nothing substantially new, but the second came to light after the box set, had serious shit on them, and were snaffled up by a collector? And this collector is doing what with them? Getting off on the fact that no one else gets to hear them? It's only a bit more of a lot of what we have all heard and sooner than later when all of the Beach Boys along with most of us are all dead no one will give a damn....very few Beach Boys fans care even now as most of them are not all in as we are. I have had enough with the Smile stuff...It was Brian's creative peak IMO but I love much of the Boys catalog more...however, for the Salty's, Dumbangel's, Cam's that have fun with it...for the love of God whoever collects or hoards this stuff just get it out there because you are sitting on nothing of significant importance and life is too short.
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Post by Autotune on Jul 1, 2020 11:24:51 GMT -5
Say what you will about the acetates, but the momentum for the “BIG news” died about ten days ago. The longer it takes, the harder it will be for the news to live up to the (deceived) hype.
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Post by AGD on Jul 1, 2020 14:29:43 GMT -5
Well, Bruce didn't so much spill the beans as grab the can and throw them all over the walls.
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Post by leedempsey on Jul 1, 2020 17:06:36 GMT -5
Were there not, in the end, two lots of Durrie Parks acetates? The first was auditioned and, indeed, had nothing substantially new, but the second came to light after the box set, had serious shit on them, and were snaffled up by a collector? And this collector is doing what with them? Getting off on the fact that no one else gets to hear them? It's only a bit more of a lot of what we have all heard and sooner than later when all of the Beach Boys along with most of us are all dead no one will give a damn....very few Beach Boys fans care even now as most of them are not all in as we are. I have had enough with the Smile stuff...It was Brian's creative peak IMO but I love much of the Boys catalog more...however, for the Salty's, Dumbangel's, Cam's that have fun with it...for the love of God whoever collects or hoards this stuff just get it out there because you are sitting on nothing of significant importance and life is too short. Paul, I hear you, and personally I think I have been generous with my acetate collection (Mark Linett and Alan Boyd have copies of everything, and I gave them permission to put “Rabbit’s Foot” on the 1963 copyright compilation — and I don’t own the Durrie Parks acetates), but in the past I’ve likened it to someone owning a rare bottle of 1961 Chateau Lafite Rothschild — they can decide to drink it themselves or with a few friends on a special occasion; they can open it at a restaurant and give everyone a sip (ignoring COVID-19 for a second); or they can hold onto it, hope it appreciates in value, and sell it later at a profit. Although I’d like to be on the receiving end of option #1 or option #2, I can’t fault the owner for choosing any of those options, and I respect them for their choice. Lee
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Post by John Manning on Jul 1, 2020 17:31:33 GMT -5
It’s a decent comparison in the sense that the acetates are their property and theirs to do with as they wish. You’re absolutely correct, and I also respect that right.
However, while a bottle of wine will be all gone after a very few select people have been made happy, digitally transferred music files could make everyone in the world happy.
I’m hoping Santa Claus bought the acetates!
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Post by AGD on Jul 1, 2020 17:52:36 GMT -5
Also, the problem with acetates from the 60s is that they degrade very rapidly with playing: I've heard that after 25-30 plays, they're essentially unfit for anything except being a coaster. They weren't designed to last.
That said, hoarding something this way is, sadly, not unique. Silent film historian Kevin Brownlow related a tale of a "collector" who had hundreds of rare silents in his basement: he never watched them, and he never let anyone else see them, he just liked having them.
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Post by Al S on Jul 1, 2020 21:07:22 GMT -5
The Smile scene is a big part of the zeitgeist, and facsimiles of the recordings should be made available to all interested - in the same way that privately owned paintings are made available to Museums etc.
Imagine if the guy or gal who owned the only remaining copy of Action Comics Number 1 had the right to say no reproductions allowed.
Let's also take into account that the collector owns a facsimile of some else's work that has come to them via the generosity of the original artist, giving away the acetate unconditionally and the financial woes of Durie Parks then selling the artifacts.
I say give 'em back to BW and see what he wants to do with 'em.
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Post by Paul JB on Jul 1, 2020 22:09:36 GMT -5
Some good conversation and valid points I agree with in these last few posts. And Lee...hope I didn’t come off too harsh, I too hear you and guys like yourself and Jim Murphy that have some cool pieces of treasure are free to do as you wish. None of us are owed anything.
I ramble when I post so hang in there and I’ll make this short as I can. 8 years ago I was involved in helping someone find a buyer for an old painting his father had owned for decades. I loved the painting myself and could have given the guy a couple of thousand dollars and he would have been happy. But that would have been wrong on my part as he had come to me and my employer for honest guidance. After a months long crazy story way too convoluted to get into here, the painting ended up being purchased by a wealthy museum owner... this buyer was very familiar with the ‘forgotten’ artist and paid over $50,000 for it at the auction house we consigned the painting to. To this day....sometimes I wish it was hanging in my house...but then I think about how dumb it would have been to have it hanging in my house till I’m gone, as it had in someone else’s house from 1946 till 2012...where only the mans kids and a few relatives ever laid eyes on it even though there were other people, in Germany in particular, who cared about the forgotten artist and assumed the painting had been destroyed in WW2. Several people were ecstatic to learn the painting survived and now they, and thousands of people more can see it hanging in the new owners museum. And I feel great about that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:50:06 GMT -5
I say give 'em back to BW and see what he wants to do with 'em. Just make sure you catch him in a good mood
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Post by awyller on Jul 2, 2020 11:18:40 GMT -5
For the record I'd be more excited about a 5-disk Sunflower/Surf's Up boxset than more Smile material but anyway If someone really cared about the music and its historical value, surely they'd want that acetate safely backed up to a digital format and remastered so they could enjoy listening to it without the physical thing being unusable after 30 or so spins? I can't think of any justification for not allowing Mark & co to make a copy other than it being a bizarre ego thing or a hoarding compulsion. Just my take. I agree. Totally.
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Post by airplanetag on Jul 2, 2020 11:42:19 GMT -5
If someone really cared about the music and its historical value, surely they'd want that acetate safely backed up to a digital format and remastered so they could enjoy listening to it without the physical thing being unusable after 30 or so spins? I can't think of any justification for not allowing Mark & co to make a copy other than it being a bizarre ego thing or a hoarding compulsion. Just my take. The auction listing for the acetates says that "a digital transfer of the music is included" so it seems they've been backed up, thankfully. It's comforting to know, although still frustrating. All it would take is a few minutes for the file to be uploaded to the internet and we could all hear it.
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Post by jiggy22 on Jul 2, 2020 12:51:24 GMT -5
Didn't the same thing happen with the Sail On, Sailor "hypnotize me, Van" demo tape? It was apparently also sold off at an auction, and the winning bidder was this big Beatles collector who ran off with the tape, without allowing anyone to copy it or whatever.
Would also love that reel tape with the Wonderful, Cabin Essence, and My Only Sunshine multi-tracks (compiled during the Stack-O-Tracks mixing session IIRC) to show up in some person's attic, at least those have a better chance at having survived than the Good Vibrations vocal tapes...
In regards to the "BIG News™," I have no doubt David Beard was referring to the "Add Some Music to Your Day" remake. I can only hope it's being done as part of the promotion for the Feel Flows set!
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Post by Cam Mott on Jul 2, 2020 13:08:29 GMT -5
"For the record I'd be more excited about a 5-disk Sunflower/Surf's Up boxset than more Smile material but anyway."
Whhaaa!?!? That is blasphemy ... or heresy ... or both! Get your torches townfolk!! Confiscate both of Salty's Endless Harmony Club Heroes and Villians Decoder Rings (EHC Part #1-57020 & EHC Part #2-57045)!!!
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