|
|
Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jun 23, 2020 7:57:38 GMT -5
I think I'm going to take a brief sabbatical until we get to MIU. I'd have to listen to the tracks from Adult Child to rate them, and I really don't won't to do that again. Sure, we don’t want to make listening to Beach Boys music a chore for you.  |
|
|
|
Post by kds on Jun 23, 2020 7:58:47 GMT -5
I think I'm going to take a brief sabbatical until we get to MIU. I'd have to listen to the tracks from Adult Child to rate them, and I really don't won't to do that again. Sure, we don’t want to make listening to Beach Boys music a chore for you. I just think there's a good reason this particular album was never properly released. Except for the small handful of songs that warranted it eventually. |
|
Departed
Former Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 13:13:59 GMT -5
Oof. The transition from love you to adult child is fairly jarring. I want to like many of these tracks more than I do.
Life is for the living is one of the more enjoyable ones. Can’t even imagine what the sessions for this one looked like. Maybe grass is preferable to some other substances. Regardless, I’ll go 7/10 for its quirky lyrics and surprisingly listenable backing track
|
|
|
|
Post by pendlewitch on Jun 23, 2020 14:56:56 GMT -5
Quite jolly. I'm going for 8!
Seems to me like something Morecambe and Wise could have sung, while coming out from the curtains high-kicking. Which is possibly apt since they also sang 'You are my sunshine'.  |
|
|
|
Post by Mikie on Jun 23, 2020 20:09:53 GMT -5
Written by Brian and Carl and sung by Carl and Brian. Sounds like a melody for an insurance commercial. Brian sings with strangled enthusiasm over a high kick horn arrangement on this opening track. The big band arrangement was Dick Reynolds – same guy who did the strings for the Christmas album. Nice bassline. Sinatra-esqe. Either a tribute to Frank or written with the hope that he'd pick it up to sing. Obviously, it wasn’t grass that went out a long time ago – it was the big band sound. But some time and effort and money went into this instrumental track. I like the drums on this – played by session drummer Earl Palmer:
|
|
|
|
Post by Al Smith on Jun 23, 2020 22:39:43 GMT -5
Well, it seems Life Is certainly For The Living, as that little number has netted an enjoyment factor of 88% (votes of 6 & above)or 15 of 17 votes. Not sure if we'll maintain or exceed that score on the next track.
4 - 1 vote
5 - 1 vote
6 - 5 votes
7 - 2 votes
8 - 1 vote
9 - 2 votes
10 - 5 votes
Thanks to those who shared personal insights or historical contexts, that's what makes this thread cook like egg and potaters!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Al Smith on Jun 23, 2020 23:15:39 GMT -5
 Right, well, here we are then! Hey Little Tomboy - Adult Child version. Jeez. Check out the photo matching the You Tube vid, listen to those words and go take a shower after you change your name, and move to a small town on the other side of the country. I really have no idea what anyone in the band or within it's proximity were thinking re this one. Zilch.
|
|
|
|
Post by Will/P.P. on Jun 23, 2020 23:17:02 GMT -5
I tossed in a 10/10 for "Life Is For the Living". Carl and Brian are absolutely energetic!
Might be my favorite on the proposed album. There are several great cuts here I could
say the same for, tho.
|
|
|
|
Post by Al Smith on Jun 23, 2020 23:35:41 GMT -5
I think I'm going to take a brief sabbatical until we get to MIU. I'd have to listen to the tracks from Adult Child to rate them, and I really don't won't to do that again. No one really wants to rate the MIU songs first time around let alone again! |
|
|
|
Post by kds on Jun 24, 2020 7:14:08 GMT -5
I think I'm going to take a brief sabbatical until we get to MIU. I'd have to listen to the tracks from Adult Child to rate them, and I really don't won't to do that again. No one really wants to rate the MIU songs first time around let alone again! Frankly, I think MIU is head and shoulders above Love You and Adult Child. |
|
|
|
Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jun 24, 2020 8:15:15 GMT -5
No one really wants to rate the MIU songs first time around let alone again! Frankly, I think MIU is head and shoulders above Love You and Adult Child. We should do a poll on that. Personally, while I do not dislike MIU, I would rate it last among the eight albums released in the 1970s. |
|
|
|
Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2020 8:20:25 GMT -5
Newsflash - some of us were tomboys! I have zero problems with this song.
Tomboys in a 50's-60's context was almost a precursor to today's feminist! Growing up in a house full of boys - I learned how to swing a bat, a hammer, climb a tree and a ladder. Push a carriage. Drive a boat.
At the same time, looking at boys, shopping for dresses, listening to Beatles, Beach Boys, Rolling Stones, learning how to drive a 5 speed car with a clutch. Tomboys had it all!
Using a 2020 lens for conceptualized images from the 50's and 60's, does those feminist developmental eras no justice. It disrespects what coming-of-age was at that time. It was sort of a search for what tasks and skillsets, girls could perform/develop in a highly sex-role-defined era. It is sort of a song where they owned those concepts that might have been stereotyped and generalized but those girls DID IT ALL. And before their time.
During those post-WWII era years after those same women took over industry, because men were on the battlefield or at sea, women did do it all. They were the tom-men! Those moms encouraged great independence in those boomer babies and why women now outnumber men in fields such as law and other male dominated fields. I just gave a change of grade. 10.
|
|
|
|
Post by kds on Jun 24, 2020 8:54:49 GMT -5
Frankly, I think MIU is head and shoulders above Love You and Adult Child. We should do a poll on that. Personally, while I do not dislike MIU, I would rate it last among the eight albums released in the 1970s. I'm 100% sure that I'm in the minority, but I much prefer MIU and LA over 15BO and LY. |
|
|
|
Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2020 9:20:20 GMT -5
We should do a poll on that. Personally, while I do not dislike MIU, I would rate it last among the eight albums released in the 1970s. I'm 100% sure that I'm in the minority, but I much prefer MIU and LA over 15BO and LY. Not necessarily - I'm probably on that side as well although those two have their stellar moments. |
|
|
|
Post by kds on Jun 24, 2020 9:44:14 GMT -5
I'm 100% sure that I'm in the minority, but I much prefer MIU and LA over 15BO and LY. Not necessarily - I'm probably on that side as well although those two have their stellar moments. Well, then you and I are probably both in that minority. |
|
|
|
Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2020 9:47:58 GMT -5
Not necessarily - I'm probably on that side as well although those two have their stellar moments. Well, then you and I are probably both in that minority. That is no problem - I was in the minority as a BB fan for a long time. It is of no consequence. |
|
|
|
Post by kds on Jun 24, 2020 9:53:23 GMT -5
Well, then you and I are probably both in that minority. That is no problem - I was in the minority as a BB fan for a long time. It is of no consequence. I have no problem being in the minority when it comes to several BB opinions, as my ratings on MIU, LA, and BB85 will show. |
|
|
|
Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2020 10:02:42 GMT -5
That is no problem - I was in the minority as a BB fan for a long time. It is of no consequence. I have no problem being in the minority when it comes to several BB opinions, as my ratings on MIU, LA, and BB85 will show. For polling to have actual validity, there needs to be candor. |
|
|
|
Post by Autotune on Jun 24, 2020 11:25:59 GMT -5
Hey Little Tomboy. If God Only Knows took Brian 30 minutes to write, this one took him 30 seconds. An overall pleasant song, and a look into an aspect of Brian Wilson’s psyche that has been better left unexplored by authors and fans.
Regarding MIU vs Love You, as Brian-centric as the latter is, I get a cohesive group vibe that I don’t get from MIU.
MIU isn’t nearly as quirky as Love You, and I dig why some people may prefer MIU, though. In a way, MIU follows a trend set by 15BO in that group politics affect for the worse an album’s result (that trend would prevail for the rest of the band’s career). The overall sound, the wall-of-Als, Carl’s virtual absence, the song choice, all make this the weaker album.
|
|
|
|
Post by Emdeeh on Jun 24, 2020 11:38:48 GMT -5
I find "Hey Little Tomboy" to be disgusting lyrically. Sure it has a catchy tune, but the lyrics ruin everything for me. Plus the added comments in this version make it even worse. Gets a goose egg from me.
|
|
|
|
Post by Al Smith on Jun 24, 2020 16:37:49 GMT -5
Newsflash - some of us were tomboys! I have zero problems with this song. Tomboys in a 50's-60's context was almost a precursor to today's feminist! Growing up in a house full of boys - I learned how to swing a bat, a hammer, climb a tree and a ladder. Push a carriage. Drive a boat. At the same time, looking at boys, shopping for dresses, listening to Beatles, Beach Boys, Rolling Stones, learning how to drive a 5 speed car with a clutch. Tomboys had it all! Using a 2020 lens for conceptualized images from the 50's and 60's, does those feminist developmental eras no justice. It disrespects what coming-of-age was at that time. It was sort of a search for what tasks and skillsets, girls could perform/develop in a highly sex-role-defined era. It is sort of a song where they owned those concepts that might have been stereotyped and generalized but those girls DID IT ALL. And before their time. During those post-WWII era years after those same women took over industry, because men were on the battlefield or at sea, women did do it all. They were the tom-men! Those moms encouraged great independence in those boomer babies and why women now outnumber men in fields such as law and other male dominated fields. I just gave a change of grade. 10. Even back in the day, wouldn't it have been better for Brian and co to sing/say - "I'm gonna teach you to swing a bat, nail in nails with a hammer and stuff like that" as opposed to the original lyrics. Instead of getting a young chick to shave her legs for the first time as a precursor to a deflowering from a 37 year old, perhaps they should have sung stay away from we cavemen and get a law degree. This song ain't no Pygmalion. |
|
|
|
Post by Will/P.P. on Jun 24, 2020 17:21:13 GMT -5
Frankly, I think MIU is head and shoulders above Love You and Adult Child. We should do a poll on that. Personally, while I do not dislike MIU, I would rate it last among the eight albums released in the 1970s. I whole-heartedly agree. They could have called M.I.U. - Half a Good 'Un. |
|
|
|
Post by filledeplage on Jun 24, 2020 18:21:38 GMT -5
Newsflash - some of us were tomboys! I have zero problems with this song. Tomboys in a 50's-60's context was almost a precursor to today's feminist! Growing up in a house full of boys - I learned how to swing a bat, a hammer, climb a tree and a ladder. Push a carriage. Drive a boat. At the same time, looking at boys, shopping for dresses, listening to Beatles, Beach Boys, Rolling Stones, learning how to drive a 5 speed car with a clutch. Tomboys had it all! Using a 2020 lens for conceptualized images from the 50's and 60's, does those feminist developmental eras no justice. It disrespects what coming-of-age was at that time. It was sort of a search for what tasks and skillsets, girls could perform/develop in a highly sex-role-defined era. It is sort of a song where they owned those concepts that might have been stereotyped and generalized but those girls DID IT ALL. And before their time. During those post-WWII era years after those same women took over industry, because men were on the battlefield or at sea, women did do it all. They were the tom-men! Those moms encouraged great independence in those boomer babies and why women now outnumber men in fields such as law and other male dominated fields. I just gave a change of grade. 10. Even back in the day, wouldn't it have been better for Brian and co to sing/say - "I'm gonna teach you to swing a bat, nail in nails with a hammer and stuff like that" as opposed to the original lyrics. Instead of getting a young chick to shave her legs for the first time as a precursor to a deflowering from a 37 year old, perhaps they should have sung stay away from we cavemen and get a law degree. This song ain't no Pygmalion. Any well-brought up young lady had parents who warned against the cavemen! It is why there were curfews.  And why the young courtier had to meet your parents and did not honk the horn until you came out. There were boundaries. That is why there were rules for courtship! It is from a male point of view and largely wishful thinking. I find it harmless. |
|
|
|
Post by Mikie on Jun 24, 2020 20:23:53 GMT -5
This one started life during the “Love You” sessions. Along with “Roller Skating Child”, a revisited theme - see "All Dressed Up For School". Brian says, “So she's a little tomboy. We're very happy with it." Carlin suggested the song "may be the most unsettling moment in the entire recorded history of the Beach Boys." If you were the parent of a young girl, hearing something along the lines of "Now let's put a dress on and wear a little make up. OK, shave your legs now for the first time", you'd feel embarrassed, disgusted, and ashamed all at the same time. That's something Uncle Pervy would say. The released version is one thing, but this Adult Child demo is even more cringe worthy. I can imagine what Warner's exec's faces looked like when they first heard this. Probably knew right away that it was not for public consumption. I wonder if they even got past this second track.
Nice music and melody though. The vocals were good too. And even though it was a little weird for middle-aged men to sing it, they actually got into it. Especially Brian, who was always infatuated with young girls.
|
|
|
|
Post by mfp on Jun 24, 2020 20:25:59 GMT -5
Whispering Bob Harris’ chuckle as Brian describes the song’s subject matter suggests a different contemporaneous sensibility. Brian's enthusiasm about the song is good enough for me, the melody is catchy, the chord changes interesting.
9
|
|
And why the young courtier had to meet your parents and did not honk the horn until you came out. There were boundaries. 