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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 4:19:20 GMT -5
" There was a man I could follow...there was a man I could call [Mr. President.]" Honestly, I just wanted to get this subforum started somehow, even if I'm not going to post all my in-depth analyses this time around. I don't feel like getting chewed out for delving into current events so I figured I would lead off with a tribute to my hero. I didn't find out about him until I began looking thru past candidates and their respective speeches/debates two years ago in the process of contextualizing the bizarre Trump phenomenon. Once I discovered George McGovern, I was blown away by what a great candidate and overall great man he was. A decorated war hero, a decorated civilian (Presidential Medal of Freedom for Combating World Hunger), a prolific author and proud defender of his beliefs however unpopular they were in his own time. More than anything, I really wanted to write him a letter to express how much he inspired me personally even if his campaign failed. I wanted to tell him that he was the man we needed if not the one we deserved. Sadly, I learned that Senator McGovern had passed away four years earlier. It's a bittersweet reality; on the one hand I'm saddened I couldn't share my appreciation for his work but on the other I'm glad he never had to witness the farce America soon became. This is the speech that inspired me to find out more about this unrepentant Leftist who lost 49 states to 1. It's my favorite speech in American history (and, if you saw the tomes I wrote on PSF you know I've seen a LOT of speeches.) It's the only speech that made me fall in love with the man delivering it. Anyway, I guess to insert some kind of discussion into this post, I wonder if any of you have an all-time favorite candidate? Or favorite speech? Who inspired you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 16:20:58 GMT -5
@iluvleniloud: I remember your political "tomes" at PSF. I actually printed and read a number of your lively reviews of debates and even took a couple with me on holiday. I watched the "Come home, America" speech, a debate between Kennedy and Nixon and the marathon three-way debate between Bush Sr., Clinton and Ross Perot. I was impressed with Perot--I seem to remember you saying in your review of the debate that he hadn't been treated as an equal from the get-go, that he had been disadvantaged in some way. But also that he made mistakes later on in the campaign...
H'mm. I was hoping someone more politically aware than me would chime in first. Hopefully they will in time. You deserve better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 17:21:41 GMT -5
There's no one better suited to give the first reply than you, jk. You're a great friend
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 3:16:40 GMT -5
There's no one better suited to give the first reply than you, jk . You're a great friend You're too kind, Cassandra. I forgot to mention that I can see why George McGovern appeals to you as a politician and as a human being. What would America have been like today had he become President!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 3:31:15 GMT -5
There's no one better suited to give the first reply than you, jk . You're a great friend You're too kind, Cassandra. I forgot to mention that I can see why George McGovern appeals to you as a politician and as a human being. What would America have been like today had he become President! A far better place by any objective measure, whether you like his policies or not. The butterfly effect that would occur just from removing the Watergate Scandal alone is enough to make your head spin. That one event more than any other disillusioned countless Americans. It's what killed that sincere belief that government, however imperfect, works and the sense of dignity towards elected magistrates for most Americans. It kicked off the modern attitude of apathy, cynicism and contempt most people today have towards government, politicians and anyone who gets sincerely invested in the process. In fact, we Americans ended up with the worst, unluckiest timeline possible the way things turned out. See...both McGovern AND Nixon believed in universal healthcare as well as a guaranteed minimum income. That's the thing most people today don't understand--Nixon himself was going to champion the idea of universal healthcare in his second term. Unfortunately, the Watergate fallout sapped his political capital, and once Gerald Ford was sworn in he was a lame duck with little capital of his own. If that were not enough, Ford's pardoning of Nixon was an unpopular decision that sapped away any goodwill from voters or other politicians he may have started out with. And from then on, neither Carter nor Reagan nor Bush I seriously tackled the idea of reforming our inhumane healthcare system. Clinton tried but it was struck down (largely due to blowback of Hillary being involved in the process--this was seen as nepotism...and to be honest, a good deal of the blowback was sexism as well.) During the 90s when Clinton was championing universal healthcare, the Republicans put forth an alternative plan. It's this alternate plan which Obama spearheaded into law during his first term...which Republicans now campaign against largely due to spite and political brinkmanship. The way things worked out was objectively terrible for the country. If McGovern had won, or at least not picked Eagleton and lost by such a humiliating margin, then his brand of politics would not have become a toxic nonstarter to subsequent politicians. (His loss was unfairly considered a repudiation of liberalism at the time, causing both parties to pivot to the right, which has been the case to this day.) Even if Nixon had not been such a paranoid creep, that realignment might still have happened but at least we would have gotten universal healthcare first, and once established it would have been too popular for Ronald Reagan and the new breed of neoliberal politicians he inspired to take away.
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Post by Cam Mott on Jan 18, 2019 12:36:59 GMT -5
My first Presidential vote was for McGovern.
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Post by filledeplage on Jan 18, 2019 12:57:50 GMT -5
My first Presidential vote was for McGovern. As was mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 17:07:23 GMT -5
My first Presidential vote was for McGovern. As I recall, the comedian and social critic George Carlin said he voted for McGovern and afterwards never voted for another Presidential candidate again. Hunter Thompson, who wrote Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 said "Anytime George McGovern runs, hes got my vote. Hes one of the most decent and human people Ive ever come across in politics."
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Post by treatzapiza on Jan 24, 2019 22:34:58 GMT -5
George McGovern makes you wistful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 14:59:19 GMT -5
George McGovern makes you wistful. Yes. I deeply admire the underdogs of the world.
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Post by treatzapiza on Jan 26, 2019 1:35:21 GMT -5
George McGovern makes you wistful. Yes. I deeply admire the underdogs of the world. I admire and root for the underdogs too but I reserve strong feeling for those who succeeded. IS there a iluleniloud as oggsford man(Jay Gatz)and Mcgovern as the green light on Tom Buchanan's dock-thing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 2:24:17 GMT -5
Yes. I deeply admire the underdogs of the world. I admire and root for the underdogs too but I reserve strong feeling for those who succeeded. IS there a iluleniloud as oggsford man(Jay Gatz)and Mcgovern as the green light on Tom Buchanan's dock-thing If you're asking what my green light is, I'd say the idea of a truly egalitarian society where political and economic power are distributed as widely as possible and individuality is celebrated as opposed to conformity. How to achieve that is what Im working on now (lost cause or not) by researching some ideas for constitutional reforms as well as a workable policy platform that I'd like to share online (even if no one ever reads them.) I don't think any one ideology will get us there, but I like the general principles of Mutualism/Distributism (two very similar socio-economic policies which serve as genuine third paths outside the Capitalist-Socialist dichotomy, though they're sadly never talked about outside poli-sci circles.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 2:30:45 GMT -5
IS there a iluleniloud as oggsford man(Jay Gatz)and Mcgovern as the green light on Tom Buchanan's dock-thing What a sweet thing to say. Hal, you da man!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 2:32:14 GMT -5
IS there a iluleniloud as oggsford man(Jay Gatz)and Mcgovern as the green light on Tom Buchanan's dock-thing What a sweet thing to say. Hal, you da man! I thought it was sweet too
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Post by treatzapiza on Jan 26, 2019 4:16:20 GMT -5
I wanted to respond. Too drunk.
I know you good folk dont care for deletions. But I'm spent.
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Post by treatzapiza on Jan 26, 2019 4:16:50 GMT -5
IS there a iluleniloud as oggsford man(Jay Gatz)and Mcgovern as the green light on Tom Buchanan's dock-thing What a sweet thing to say. Hal, you da man! thank you!
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Post by treatzapiza on Jan 26, 2019 4:25:53 GMT -5
What a sweet thing to say. Hal, you da man! I thought it was sweet too Thank you! I apprecciate the appreciations. Just about anything positive happening within hours of taking to bed usually helps to add that slightly less noxious touch of an uncharasteristically surface-deep, stock character of many years -in good*bad=tenured???standing -taking a princinpled stand consisting of wholly unselfish gestures of goodwill to make palatable the unvarnished nightmare.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 4:40:22 GMT -5
I apprecciate the appreciations. Just about anything positive happening within hours of taking to bed usually helps to add that slightly less noxious touch of an uncharasteristically surface-deep, stock character of many years -in good*bad=tenured???standing -taking a princinpled stand consisting of wholly unselfish gestures of goodwill to make palatable the unvarnished nightmare. You're a good person, Hal, and we're all glad to have you on the forum with us. We are here for you whenever you need it <3
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 7:47:05 GMT -5
You're a good person, Hal, and we're all glad to have you on the forum with us. We are here for you whenever you need it <3 And, I have to add, a lucky one, in joining a forum blessed with such a kind and caring person as Cassandra. By no means all forums are that fortunate.
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