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Post by kds on Jan 12, 2019 10:13:16 GMT -5
Attention Beach Boys fans. Admitting to liking or even loving The Beatles doesn't make you any less a Beach Boys fan. In my time on BB related forums, I've noticed a sort of inferiority complex some fans display whenever the Beatles are brought up.
Both are great bands with great catalogs. The Beatles tended to be better managed though and to this day, their brand is managed far better.
Purely subjective, but I do subscribe to the belief that The Beatles are the greatest band in history. There's really no compliment I can say that's not been said or written in the last half century.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 10:25:05 GMT -5
The best of them was George in my opinion.
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Post by kds on Jan 12, 2019 11:44:22 GMT -5
The best of them was George in my opinion. I agree with that in regards to their post Beatles careers.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Jan 13, 2019 4:28:15 GMT -5
The best of them was George in my opinion. And Paul. I disagree with kds' assessment that, if Beach Boys fans don't "admit" to liking Beatles, it somehow weirdly means that they've got "inferiority complex". What if they...really...find Beach Boys' music better than...wait for it...Beatles? Can it not be possible to believe in? It doesn't seem too crazy. I think, when people say that, it looks like THEY've got inferiority complex about somebody out there preferring Beach Boys over Beatles. Let's just be respectful to different tastes and preferences, shall we?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 13:36:06 GMT -5
I can add more to this now that my own Beatles threads are written. So here's some thoughts on this band I have which wouldn't fit into those.
I've discussed this with my friends and I think the reason why the Beatles are universally loved and still considered the best band is because they explored almost every genre of rock. Their early stuff is right up there in the style and quality of Buddy Holly and Elvis, in that "early rock" aesthetic. They did a Folk Rock album with Rubber Soul. They did avant garde with Revolver. They did happy, sunshine, summer of love pop with Sgt Pepper. They did scary, freakout psychedelia with Magical Mystery Tour. They did progressive rock with Abbey Road and something with a harder edge in White Album. They did a punk/garage album with Get Back/Let It Be.
So, the point is, the Beatles may not be your favorite band. For me as a big fan of psychedelic rock, progressive rock and sunshine pop, there are far better bands out there in those genres than the Beatles. There are better psych albums than Sgt Pepper, and better progressive albums than Abbey Road. And for advocates of other genres they could say the same thing. HOWEVER, the Beatles were still great at every genre they tried, so they appeal to fans of all those genres. For many people they served as introductions to their fave types of rock and the other bands they'd go on to discover in those categories. For me, Sgt Pepper was the first psych rock I ever heard and despite my criticisms of it, I will always hold it in a special place for that.
Two years ago I tried getting into their solo stuff and with the exception of George I largely couldn't enjoy it. George's magnum opus, All Things Must Pass is fantastic because it's basically a triple album of brilliant yet unfairly rejected Beatles tracks. (Since he wrote them for the Beatles.) I listened to a few Paul and John albums which people on PSF recommended to me, but they just weren't the same. I really like some of Paul's solo songs ("Jet," "Band on the Run" and "Live and Let Die" are the biggest) but as albums I feel like his output is inconsistent in quality. John's songs that I heard didn't even feel like actual songs, just his self-important "deep" criticisms of everyone but himself set to uninspired musical accompaniment. I couldn't stand his albums that I heard. The point I'm getting at is the two men balanced each other out, but without their other half they strayed too far in their respective extremes in my opinion.
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Post by g00dvibrations on Jan 15, 2019 17:26:17 GMT -5
My first exposure to The Word was the medley on the Love album.
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Post by Silken on Jan 15, 2019 18:30:29 GMT -5
The best of them was George in my opinion. I don't like the Beatles (I mean, I don't dislike them - I just don't care about them) but I really enjoy George's solo material.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 9:04:29 GMT -5
Hearkening to @iluvleniloud's Todd Rundgren song in the "Listening" topic and then adding one of my own reminded me of this curious exchange (in 1974) between Todd and John Lennon:
Todd's comments:
"John Lennon ain't no revolutionary. He's a f------ idiot, man. Shouting about revolution and acting like an a-----. It just makes people feel uncomfortable. "All he really wants to do is get attention for himself, and if revolution gets him that attention, he'll get attention through revolution. Hitting a waitress in the Troubador. What kind of revolution is that? "He's an important figure, sure. But so was Richard Nixon. Nixon was just like another generation's John Lennon. Someone who represented all sorts of ideals, but was out for himself underneath it all."
John Lennon's letter to Todd:
AN OPENED LETTUCE TO SODD RUNTLESTUNTLE. (from dr. winston o'boogie)
Couldn't resist adding a few "islands of truth" of my own, in answer to Turd Runtgreen's howl of hate (pain.)
Dear Todd,
I like you, and some of your work, including "I Saw The Light", which is not unlike "There's A Place" (Beatles), melody wise.
1) I have never claimed to be a revolutionary. But I am allowed to sing about anything I want! Right?
2) I never hit a waitress in the Troubador, I did act like an ass, I was too drunk. So shoot me!
3) I guess we're all looking for attention Rodd, do you really think I don't know how to get it, without "revolution?" I could dye my hair green and pink for a start!
4) I don't represent anyone but my SELF. It sounds like I represented something to you, or you wouldn't be so violent towards me. (Your dad perhaps?)
5) Yes Dodd, violence comes in mysterious ways it's wonders to perform, including verbal. But you'd know that kind of mind game, wouldn't you? Of course you would.
6) So the Nazz [Todd's old band] use to do "like heavy rock" then SUDDENLY a "light pretty ballad". How original!
7) Which gets me to the Beatles, "who had no other style than being the Beatles"!! That covers a lot of style man, including your own, TO DATE.....
Yes Godd, the one thing those Beatles did was to affect PEOPLES' MINDS. Maybe you need another fix?
Somebody played me your rock and roll pussy song, but I never noticed anything. I think that the real reason you're mad at me is cause I didn't know who you were at the Rainbow (L.A.) Remember that time you came in with Wolfman Jack? When I found out later, I was cursing, cause I wanted to tell you how good you were. (I'd heard you on the radio.)
Anyway, However much you hurt me darling; I'll always love you,
J. L.
30th Sept. 1974
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 21:46:30 GMT -5
Hearkening to @iluvleniloud 's Todd Rundgren song in the "Listening" topic and then adding one of my own reminded me of this curious exchange (in 1974) between Todd and John Lennon: Todd's comments: "John Lennon ain't no revolutionary. He's a f------ idiot, man. Shouting about revolution and acting like an a-----. It just makes people feel uncomfortable. "All he really wants to do is get attention for himself, and if revolution gets him that attention, he'll get attention through revolution. Hitting a waitress in the Troubador. What kind of revolution is that? "He's an important figure, sure. But so was Richard Nixon. Nixon was just like another generation's John Lennon. Someone who represented all sorts of ideals, but was out for himself underneath it all." John Lennon's letter to Todd: AN OPENED LETTUCE TO SODD RUNTLESTUNTLE. (from dr. winston o'boogie) Couldn't resist adding a few "islands of truth" of my own, in answer to Turd Runtgreen's howl of hate (pain.) Dear Todd, I like you, and some of your work, including "I Saw The Light", which is not unlike "There's A Place" (Beatles), melody wise. 1) I have never claimed to be a revolutionary. But I am allowed to sing about anything I want! Right? 2) I never hit a waitress in the Troubador, I did act like an ass, I was too drunk. So shoot me! 3) I guess we're all looking for attention Rodd, do you really think I don't know how to get it, without "revolution?" I could dye my hair green and pink for a start! 4) I don't represent anyone but my SELF. It sounds like I represented something to you, or you wouldn't be so violent towards me. (Your dad perhaps?) 5) Yes Dodd, violence comes in mysterious ways it's wonders to perform, including verbal. But you'd know that kind of mind game, wouldn't you? Of course you would. 6) So the Nazz [Todd's old band] use to do "like heavy rock" then SUDDENLY a "light pretty ballad". How original! 7) Which gets me to the Beatles, "who had no other style than being the Beatles"!! That covers a lot of style man, including your own, TO DATE..... Yes Godd, the one thing those Beatles did was to affect PEOPLES' MINDS. Maybe you need another fix? Somebody played me your rock and roll pussy song, but I never noticed anything. I think that the real reason you're mad at me is cause I didn't know who you were at the Rainbow (L.A.) Remember that time you came in with Wolfman Jack? When I found out later, I was cursing, cause I wanted to tell you how good you were. (I'd heard you on the radio.) Anyway, However much you hurt me darling; I'll always love you, J. L. 30th Sept. 1974 Wow, I never knew about that!^ Please keep this thread going. I'd like to learn a lot more about The Beatles. I'm a big fan, have all of their albums and a smattering of solo stuff, but I don't know enough behind the music stories.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 21:12:11 GMT -5
So, Beatles' fans, what are YOUR ten favorite Beatles' songs? I'll start...
In no particular order:
01 I Saw Her Standing There 02 Across The Universe 03 I Should've Known Better 04 She Loves You 05 Carry That Weight 06 With A Little Help From My Friends 07 I Feel Fine 08 She's A Woman 09 P.S. I Love You 10 And Your Bird Can Sing
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Jan 18, 2019 21:49:55 GMT -5
Cool that you listed "I Saw Her Standing There", it doesn't get mentioned as frequently as it should be, it's Beatles' 1st original rocker.
Not sure about the order:
1. "Eleanor Rigby" 2. "Here Comes The Sun" 3. "Tell Me What You See" 4. "Piggies" 5. "Help" 6. "Yesterday" 7. "When I Get Home" 8. "If I Fell" 9. "With A Little Help From My Friends" 10. "Getting Better"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 21:56:57 GMT -5
Cool that you listed "I Saw Her Standing There", it doesn't get mentioned as frequently as it should be, it's Beatles' 1st original rocker. You think so? "I Saw Her Standing There" has been my favorite Beatles' song for a long time. I think it's one of Paul's, too. He has played it live pretty consistently.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 22:02:39 GMT -5
So, Beatles' fans, what are YOUR ten favorite Beatles' songs? I can't limit it to just 10--they just made good songs for too long. I'll split this up into the early Beatlemania/Mop Top era tracks and their later career "serious" tracks. Both lists are in no particular order: I Feel Fine Ticket to Ride I'm Happy Just to Dance with You A Hard Day's Night She Loves You Day Tripper Drive My Car You Won't See Me Love You To Here There and Everywhere Blue Jay Way While My Guitar Gently Weeps Back in the USSR Oh! Darling Something
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 22:04:20 GMT -5
Speaking of rockers, here's a good one that didn't make the cut on Beatles For Sale. How could they leave this off? It's almost Beach Boys-like (leaving a quality song off an album). Great John Lennon vocal.
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Post by B.E. on Jan 18, 2019 22:11:01 GMT -5
Speaking of rockers, here's a good one that didn't make the cut on Beatles For Sale. How could they leave this off? It's almost Beach Boys-like (leaving a quality song off an album). Great John Lennon vocal.
This performance is absolutely killer! The greatest thing about being a second or third generation fan is having (nearly) everything at your disposal from the get-go. There are a lot of drawbacks, but that is not one of them.
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Post by kds on Jan 18, 2019 22:49:22 GMT -5
Speaking of rockers, here's a good one that didn't make the cut on Beatles For Sale. How could they leave this off? It's almost Beach Boys-like (leaving a quality song off an album). Great John Lennon vocal.
The first time I heard this song was on my father's Beatles bootlegs, and I couldn't believe it didnt make the cut.
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Post by B.E. on Feb 19, 2019 15:48:15 GMT -5
www.yesterdaymovie.com/"Yesterday, everyone knew The Beatles. Today, only Jack remembers their songs. He’s about to become a very big deal. From Academy Award®-winning director Danny Boyle ( Slumdog Millionaire, Trainspotting, 28 Days Later) and Richard Curtis, the Oscar-nominated screenwriter of Four Weddings and a Funeral, Love Actually and Notting Hill, comes a rock-n-roll comedy about music, dreams, friendship, and the long and winding road that leads to the love of your life." Caution: This trailer is 3 minutes long and you come away feeling like you've just seen the whole movie. Still, some of you may be interested.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 17:44:13 GMT -5
jk Julia is such a beautiful name It'd be my first choice if I ever had a daughter someday
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 20, 2019 4:25:25 GMT -5
www.yesterdaymovie.com/Caution: This trailer is 3 minutes long and you come away feeling like you've just seen the whole movie. Still, some of you may be interested. But isn't any trailer's point to give overview to the entire film anyway? Since I'm here, checked it. Doesn't interest in the slightest. The guy playing main character seems like amateur, ditto the film's premise looks pathetic. NB: In case you didn't know, the video clip can be shown without choosing video button in the reply box. Just can paste the url, it'll do (I changed settings to default being BBCode, thus I see you chose video button). /tiny advice
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Post by B.E. on Feb 22, 2019 18:47:08 GMT -5
www.yesterdaymovie.com/Caution: This trailer is 3 minutes long and you come away feeling like you've just seen the whole movie. Still, some of you may be interested. But isn't any trailer's point to give overview to the entire film anyway? I don't think trailers need to give an overview of the entire movie. They just need to give us a basic idea or feeling of what the movie will be about. A starting point. All the Yesterday trailer needed to let us know is that one day everyone knew the Beatles and the next day he was the only one who knew. And, of course, that he was a musician.They didn't even need to let us know what he did with that knowledge (he became a huge star). They could have let us wonder about it. Maybe we'd go see the movie just to find out. They showed a lot of his 'Beatlemania'. They didn't need to include so much of that. It feels like the only unanswered question is what will happen with his love interest. And, maybe, does he get caught plagiarizing. I prefer so-called 'teaser trailers'. I like to be surprised when I see a movie. I think trailers hurt themselves when they reveal too much. It gives too many opportunities for potential viewers to find reasons NOT to see it. If the trailer is more mysterious, people need to see the movie in order to judge it. Granted, it's a fine line.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 22, 2019 19:46:07 GMT -5
I see. Then you don't like spoilers. I'm fine by them. That's what it comes down to, looks like.
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Post by kirkk on Feb 22, 2019 22:49:16 GMT -5
But isn't any trailer's point to give overview to the entire film anyway? Absolutely not - it’s to create interest in seeing the movie. It’s an advertising tool, not a summary of a film’s plot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 23:45:36 GMT -5
Again, we'll agree to disagree. I prefer when trailers tell everything about its respective films. Otherwise, I can't figure if I should or shouldn't see it. I dislike subtle trailers that don't depict the film with clarity, instead you see weird cacophony of images which doesn't help to make decision regarding checking or not checking the film. I have to disagree with you as well. For me, if the trailer already spoils everything in the film then there's no incentive to even see it. Plus a lot of twists or plot developments that might work really great when built into the story can come off looking silly in a trailer, to the point where it does itself an injustice. A good example of this is Spider Ham in the new Spiderman Into the Spider-Verse movie. I recall seeing that and going "really? a talking pig? That's fucking stupid." But when you see it in the film itself it works perfectly. I almost wrote that film off entirely due to the lame trailer/commercials but luckily people on reddit talked it up so much I decided to give it a chance. (Im glad I did because it ended up fantastic.)
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Post by AGD on Feb 23, 2019 1:10:53 GMT -5
But isn't any trailer's point to give overview to the entire film anyway? Absolutely not - it’s to create interest in seeing the movie. It’s an advertising tool, not a summary of a film’s plot. Exactly this. I don't want to see a trailer for, say, a murder mystery that shows whodunnit, how and where.
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 23, 2019 2:24:30 GMT -5
I have to disagree with you as well. For me, if the trailer already spoils everything in the film then there's no incentive to even see it. Plus a lot of twists or plot developments that might work really great when built into the story can come off looking silly in a trailer, to the point where it does itself an injustice. A good example of this is Spider Ham in the new Spiderman Into the Spider-Verse movie. I recall seeing that and going "really? a talking pig? That's fucking stupid." But when you see it in the film itself it works perfectly. I almost wrote that film off entirely due to the lame trailer/commercials but luckily people on reddit talked it up so much I decided to give it a chance. (Im glad I did because it ended up fantastic.) Yes, we look at it differently. I don't find spoilers to be big deal. But you know what's better to keep intrigue? Not see trailers, read reviews, (usually detailed) wiki synopsis, you get the drift.
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