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Post by petsite on Jan 11, 2020 3:14:16 GMT -5
I was talking about this with an younger fan and I was remarking about how lucky we are to have this all out there. But there was also an adventure in hearing these tracks before they came out. So I was wondering when those here first heard SMILE tracks (and no, don't say on SS and 20/20).
My first time was in 1981. It was something else. To be at this person's home listening to SMiLE with a fierce rain storm raging outside made is all the more surreal, especially during the fire tracks. This person had what we call the fire tapes and the 12/66 acetate tracks as well. It was something else.
FIRE TAPES: Do You Like Worms Mrs O'Leary's Cow Mrs O'Leary's Cow Been Way Too Long Old Master Painter - You Are My Sunshine Heroes & Villains Tag
12/66 ACETATE: Our Prayer Wonderful Cabinessence Child Is Father To The Man Do You Like Worms
The only sad part?
Me: Hey, can I get a copy of this tape? Him: Sorry. No can do. You understand.
And I did. But I was still bummed!
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Post by John Manning on Jan 11, 2020 4:26:59 GMT -5
Pretty sure the first unofficially released Smile stuff I heard was on a cassette purchased from English fan David Wall, who lived in Keighley, West Yorkshire. First bumped into him at a record fair at Halifax Civic Theatre … would probably have been in the early-mid 1980s but I can’t be sure. David died a few years back - only found out when I bought a signed copy of American Spring from Elliot’s Wall of Sound shop in Halifax Piece Hall, and was told it had come from the collection of a guy in Keighley who’d died recently.
Haven’t listened to that Smile tape for decades though I still have it, somewhere. It included Here Come de Honey Man, from the Miles Davies soundtrack to Porgy and Bess, which I guess pins it down to being a rip of one of the early Smile vinyl boots. That track was mesmerising… oops.
David sold me similar tapes of "Adult Child" and “Landlocked”. There were usually one or two extra tracks on there, I think…
I was told a little of the backstory a while back, which was fascinating.
Inspired by this thread I just went to my cabinet and, sure enough, there’s the Landlocked cassette lying for on top of my old Sony TCM-2 handheld cassette-recorder. Slotted the tape in, inserted new batteries (had to use AAs, as I don’t have access to HP7s) and … nothing. TCM-2 lights up, whirs but doesn’t play. Maybe later.
First Smile bootleg CD I acquired was The Smile Era Recordings, single disc “Made in Korea” “For Fans Only”, on the Quality Compact Recordings label, cat no QCP 67001. Had to buy a CD player for my stacking system before I could hear what I’d bought (probably via Record Collector magazine).
Been Way Too Long blew me away… seems my early favourite Smile tracks weren’t Smile tracks at all… not always Beach Boys tracks, even…
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Post by AGD on Jan 11, 2020 4:30:38 GMT -5
The Byron Preiss tape, as detailed in his 1978 official band bio.
I recall the protocol in those days: taped were offered - when they were - on a strict no copy basis. You broke that code, back then you'd never get anything from anyone ever again.
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Post by Vale on Jan 11, 2020 9:03:19 GMT -5
The first time I heard a SMiLE thing was about 25 years ago when I bought the Thirty Years of Good Vibrations box set back in 1995, I could’t believe those tracks were recorded by The Beach Boys, I was a little shocked, then I started to learn all the story and I started to love them completely.
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Post by petsite on Jan 11, 2020 9:27:45 GMT -5
The Byron Preiss tape, as detailed in his 1978 official band bio. I recall the protocol in those days: taped were offered - when they were - on a strict no copy basis. You broke that code, back then you'd never get anything from anyone ever again. OR mentioned it to anyone that you heard tape xyz. Burn city.
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Post by zebulan on Jan 11, 2020 11:38:28 GMT -5
Ignoring Good Vibrations, the first time I heard anything SMiLE-related was back around late 2017 or early 2018. I was starting to explore Spotify for more music from artists I liked. I had already heard Sgt. Peppers and Pet Sounds by this point, and I think I was reading a Wikipedia article about the latter when I saw SMiLE mentioned. I ended up checking out Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE since it was mentioned as Brian's attempt to complete the project.
So I start the album on Spotify... it opens with the somber, beautiful vocals of Our Prayer, which soon transition into the wonderfully playful Gee chant. Already I was enjoying the album, but then Heroes and Villains started. I was blown away. It was so complex, yet incredibly catchy at the same time. Unlike some songs that have really great choruses and okay verses, this song had incredible verses and incredible choruses. Everything was amazing. I was enjoying every single second of the song.
And then the big percussion of Roll Plymouth Rock starts. Wow, this song is pretty cool too... wait... is that the H&V chorus again? Now it sounds kind of spooky- woah, those vocals are cool! After the second chorus, suddenly a whole new section that also sounds cool? Neat!
Not long after, Barnyard starts, and I'm smiling because of the funny animal noises that fit in perfectly with the fun backing track, and then surprise!
The old master painter from the faraway hills... except I've never heard that song, so it's even less expected when it transitions into a sad version of the usually cheery You Are My Sunshine, and then it slides away into...
Doing, doing, wow this campfire song is really nice- WOAH that chorus! The tempo just keeps drastically changing and yet it seems to work perfectly every time. Cabin Essence ends similarly to RPR, with a completely new section that stops any chance of the song getting repetitive, and leaving me wanting more.
And then Wonderful starts, and I'm treated to a relatively straightforward little tune that still sounds great. Little did I know I was hearing the start of one of the greatest song suites I'd ever hear...
Won, won suddenly becomes one, one, and then the beat of Look kicks in unexpectedly and I'm blown away yet again. I get this feeling that it's building up to something...
The instrumental verse of Child Is Father of the Man starts, and it sounds so amazing like everything else and then CHILD CHILD CHILD, the chorus is one of the greatest pieces of music I've ever heard. It is around this point I realize that I like this album more than any album I've ever heard before.
Surf's Up plays and it's beautiful. The simpler 2nd movement seems fully intentional at the time, as do the CIFotM vocals during the coda. The album could have stopped right here and I would've been more than happy.
But it doesn't. After a brief pause of silence that seems to signal the equivalent of a part 2 to the album, the goofy lyrics of I'm in Great Shape are heard. I'm expecting more lyrics but then the track reverb just keeps increasing... wait, what's going on- *CUT* as if a record had just gotten unstuck and jumped to another track, I Wanna Be Around starts, and soon the sounds of saws and drills pop up in the background. I have no idea what could possibly come next after this.
The workshop noises transition to Vega-Tables, which turns out to be another masterpiece of a song. At this point I'm running out of things to say about how much I'm enjoying this album.
On a Holiday starts up, and manages to include a funny rap bit that actually fits right in. And soon this fun song transitions into...
Wind Chimes, which has nice soft verses followed by incredible loud choruses with cool piano and bass guitar bits in the middle. It's similar to what Cabinessence did, yet it still feels really unique.
And then the H&V/Fire intro starts, and I think, oh hey, fire truck sounds, that's cute. And then dun dun, dun dun dun, dun dun dun dun dun dun dun, WOAH! The song actually sounds like FIRE! Somehow, despite all the previous tracks, this one still surprised me. I actually wasn't sure whether I liked it or not the first time I heard it.
The fire seems to slowly burn out as Brian starts to sing about water, and then, as if to counter the intensity of the fire that just came before, the calming beauty of In Blue Hawaii pours through my headphones (or earbuds, I'm not sure). It ends with a brief reprise of Our Prayer that seems to signal the end of the album is nearly here, and then...
IIIIiiiii... I like the colorful clothes she wears...
Good Vibrations feels right at home with all these other wonderful tracks. I notice the lyrics are a bit different, and then some unexpected vocals kick in during the interlude. Everything about this album has been fantastic, and to top it all off, the Good Vibrations fade lasts long enough for me to really enjoy it this time.
And then I get the instrumental version of H&V as a bonus treat!
So I sit back in my chair, amazed by what I had just experienced. I immediately start the album over to listen to the whole thing again. And for the next couple of weeks, I would listen to the same album at least once, maybe twice or even three times.
Not long after hearing BWPS the first time, I ended up checking out The Smile Sessions box set. I was a bit disappointed by the lack of vocals in certain parts and the muddier sound in places, but it grew on me over time until now I prefer (stereo) version of the original tracks over the BWPS versions (which I still really enjoy).
I do remember there were parts of The Smile Sessions that managed to surprise me the first time I heard them, though. When Do You Like Worms started, I thought it sounded nice, and then the chorus starts, and halfway through I suddenly hear BAH-BAH-BAH-BAH and Indian-sounding chants in the background. I hadn't really noticed these elements that much in BWPS, but here they were front and center and they sounded so cool! And then when the chorus returned later, I thought I was about to hear the same thing, but instead I get BIIIIICYCLE RIIIDER! There was so much power in the vocals! And when I listened closely, I noticed the elements from the first chorus were still there! I came to see the Bicycle Rider chorus as being one of my favorite choruses in any song from that point onward. (Right up there with the CIFotM chorus.)
The Vega-Tables fade was also a surprising bit I wasn't expecting but really enjoyed. I also noticed that Fire sounded even wilder than it had in BWPS. I then began to listen to various session excerpts and kept being surprised by just how much great material there was.
Later, I began to discover the wonderful world of SMiLE fan mixes, and I ended up listening to quite a few. I read dozens of threads on the Smiley Smile and Pet Sounds forums, and over time I managed to accumulate quite a bit of knowledge on the album history. Eventually, I started work on my own fan mix in 2019.
So that's where I'm at today. At this point I've probably heard nearly a hundred different versions of H&V, my opinion on the correct track order has changed multiple times, and The Beach Boys have become my favorite band... not just because of SMiLE, but because of all the other great music they've made that I never heard until I started down the rabbit trail a few years ago.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 11, 2020 12:12:52 GMT -5
For me, it was a wintry night in 1985. Knowing that a second edition of the vinyl SMiLE boot was out (having read about it in the pages of STOMP!), and having missed out on the original 1983 edition, and being at the time "simple", obsessive, but "unknown" fan with no contacts in the "in" crowd, I'd made a discrete inquiry via phone call some days prior to a local record shop. I'd been told to stop by on a certain night and ask for a certain person, which I did. That person evidently judged me cool enough to facilitate an under-the-table trade, so I was told to come back with cash on a certain night, which I did. Upon arriving home with my prize, I plopped it on the turntable, and sat back. Of course, some of the tracks on that particular vinyl boot were sourced from the released versions, but this was the first time I'd heard "False Barnyard", "Do You Dig Worms", "OMP/You Are My Sunshine", the full-length "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow", and the non- SMiLE track "Can't Wait Too Long". I gotta say, the K-Tel quality of the pressing only added to the mystique of this music, and enhanced the clandestine-like listening experience! This was my NOVICE SMiLE induction! A few years later (a summer's day in 1989) I scored the then-recent double-vinyl edition at a record swap, and was blown away by the extended "Heroes And Villains" suite (incorporating "Gee" and all those other bits). Was this the first time I'd heard the original Brian lead vocal version of "Wonderful"? I can't even remember now, but what a revelation! This was a SIGNIFICANT upgrade! Then in '93, my copy of the official Good Vibrations CD box set included a flawed Disc Two - specifically, "Love To Say Da-Da" was full of intermittent radio-like static - this really gave me the feeling that "This music doesn't want to be heard!" I almost kept it for that reason, but logic prevailed and I mailed it back to Capitol for a flaw-free replacement. This was an OFFICIAL upgrade! The crowning achievement of my life (Beach Boys-related, that is) was the opportunity to hear every single bit of SMiLE-related sessions and music from the vaults on an iPod in 2011, in preparation for my compiling the sessionography for the official box set. This was my FULL CIRCLE SMiLE experience!
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Post by Mikie on Jan 11, 2020 12:52:45 GMT -5
The first time I heard Smile was around 1978 or 1979. There was a cassette tape circulating amongst a few collectors, and I received my copy from a guy who traded with Peter Reum. The tape included the Miles Davis "Here Come De Honey Man" track, which I found out years later was Peter's clever tracking device to find out who had copies of the tape. Until then, many of us thought it was a legit Smile track! The original sources for this tape were: Diane Rovell -> Byron Preiss -> Jeff Deutch -> Brad Elliott -> Peter Reum. And of course it went on from there: endlessharmony.boards.net/thread/19/beach-boys-bootlegs-smile?page=1
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 11, 2020 12:58:00 GMT -5
The first time I heard Smile was around 1978 or 1979. There was a cassette tape circulating amongst a few collectors, and I received my copy from a guy who traded with Peter Reum. The tape included the Miles Davis "Here Come De Honey Man" track, which I found out years later was Peter's clever tracking device to find out who had copies of the tape. Until then, many of us thought it was a legit Smile track! The original sources for this tape were: Diane Rovell -> Byron Preiss -> Jeff Deutch -> Brad Elliott -> Peter Reum. And of course it went on from there: endlessharmony.boards.net/thread/19/beach-boys-bootlegs-smile?page=1I've read that Mike Love gave Byron that initial tape - not sure if that's true. Mike reportedly also played Byron the "long" version of "Heroes And Villains". Maybe the latter's true but not the former?
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Post by Mikie on Jan 11, 2020 13:24:38 GMT -5
Jeff Deutch recounted that Brian wanted to cut "This Could Be The Night", but that he couldn't find a copy of the record. Jeff, who along with Byron Preiss met up with a few Beach Boys and Diane in Iowa, told Diane that he had a copy, and she asked him what he wanted in return for it. He suggested a copy of the Smile tapes and she surprisingly came through by later sending a copy of it to Preiss, along with copies of demos from the California Feelin' album.
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Post by AGD on Jan 11, 2020 13:48:30 GMT -5
The first time I heard Smile was around 1978 or 1979. There was a cassette tape circulating amongst a few collectors, and I received my copy from a guy who traded with Peter Reum. The tape included the Miles Davis "Here Come De Honey Man" track, which I found out years later was Peter's clever tracking device to find out who had copies of the tape. Until then, many of us thought it was a legit Smile track! The original sources for this tape were: Diane Rovell -> Byron Preiss -> Jeff Deutch -> Brad Elliott -> Peter Reum. And of course it went on from there: endlessharmony.boards.net/thread/19/beach-boys-bootlegs-smile?page=1I've read that Mike Love gave Byron that initial tape - not sure if that's true. Mike reportedly also played Byron the "long" version of "Heroes And Villains". Maybe the latter's true but not the former? Byron was given the tape by Diane Rovell, as Mikie stated: allegedly it was compiled by Dennis. I recall Mike playing a UK reporter the long "H&V" back in 1967, but not heard that about Preiss.
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Post by Steve Mayo on Jan 11, 2020 15:34:25 GMT -5
In a 1985 phone call with peter he told me he used here come de honey man not only as a tracker but he made a smile tape for himself and needed an airy track and thought honey man sounded airy so he used it.
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Post by Steve Mayo on Jan 11, 2020 15:46:31 GMT -5
Just remembered. I had an interview of Dennis from 1978 i think with pete fornatale. In the midst of the interview dennis blurted out he had found the fire tapes in brothers library.
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Post by AGD on Jan 11, 2020 16:39:13 GMT -5
Robert W. Morgan Special Of the Week, 3/21/78. Used to have a tape of that.
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Post by petsite on Jan 11, 2020 17:35:33 GMT -5
I am so thankful to everyone who have taken the time to relay their experiences here. I think these stories all show how affected we were when we heard these tapes for the first time. We remember the weather at the time etc. I don't remember the weather on my wedding day (don't tell me wife ). As an tip of the hat, Craig, you are a rockstar! The work you have done on compiling session information about the group has filled in a lot of the puzzle for us on the who/what/where questions for the creation of the music. Just wanted to say that here.
Now a little background (that I had from an email from Brad Elliott back in the 90s). It goes like this:
The first SMILE tape that got into the hands of collectors leaked in 1980. It was a compilation of SMILE tracks that had been given to Byron Preiss when he was working on his authorized biography of the group in 1978. The track lineup was:
Do You Like Worms Fire (no sound effects) Fire (sound effects) Can't Wait Too Long (three pieces) Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (no vocal) the so-called "false" Barnyard (which Preiss described as a section of "H&V," but which current theory seems to point to as a tag for "OMP/Sunshine")
The master tape for that compilation is still in the Beach Boys' tape vault. It's a 1/4-inch tape labeled "The Fire Tapes," dated Oct. 2, 1978, and bearing a notation that it contains five songs.
The second SMILE tape turned about a year later. The tracks on the tape were the session for "Holidays" and the session with the horn players that's commonly known as "George Fell."
The third SMILE tape to reach collectors surfaced in 1983. The complete track lineup:
Our Prayer (10/4/66) Wonderful (10/6/66) Cabin Essence (10/11/66) Cabin Essence (12/6/66) Child Is Father of the Man (10/12/66) Do You Like Worms (no date listed)
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Post by Steve Mayo on Jan 11, 2020 18:38:08 GMT -5
Robert W. Morgan Special Of the Week, 3/21/78. Used to have a tape of that. Oops again. I think I’m getting senile andrew 😊 If you need a copy of that interview let me know. One of the tapes i made a digital copy before the fire.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:03:31 GMT -5
I moved to LA in the late '70s. I knew about all of the local 'Beach Boys people,' as I used to call them. The recordings that people have been mentioning made their way to me early on. In '83 I got to hold a Scotch 10" reel of Smile material. Thrilling! I felt like Indiana Jones.
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Post by petsite on Jan 11, 2020 19:27:41 GMT -5
Reading about all of these people who had numbers and called the people in LA thru friends of friends makes me jealous LOL. I spent most of the 80s out of the loop after starting them very much in the loop. I think that was because most of my contacts had moved out of the sphere around the group. But I will say, most of my contacts had to do with making cold calls on some of these people and having them be very excepting of my call as just a super fan.
I called Bruce once in his hotel room here in Houston in 1979. I stayed on the phone for almost 2 hrs! He was bored and wanted to talk. I met him in the lobby later that day (Oct. 1979) and he played me part of KTSA on a piano. Then Brian came down, I said hello and he rushed out of the hotel to the waiting limo. I talked to Carl and Alan and of course Jerry Schilling to whom I will always be in debt. He was the kindest man on the planet and would hook me up with the group everytime they were in town thru 1982. I got to be friends with Susan Gambel at Brother Records and Steve Einzig at CBS. It was a great time.
Then these people moved out of the BB sphere and so did I. It wouldn't be until 1993 when Peter Reum put me in touch with Bob Hanes that it took off like a rocket!!!
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Post by Cam Mott on Jan 11, 2020 19:30:37 GMT -5
Besides the the singles I suppose the SS Windchimes was my first infatuation with SMiLE but I'm not sure I really was aware of the album was until the GV boxset.
Then got involved with one of the usenet groups when we got internet in the mid-90s and the Wheeler message board before the schism and it was off to obsession. Started posting suspicions about what was accepted as history and (and like many others) got an invitation via email from a beloved mentor followed by boxes of cassettes and VHS.
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Post by Cam Mott on Jan 11, 2020 19:38:44 GMT -5
"Byron was given the tape by Diane Rovell, as Mikie stated: allegedly it was compiled by Dennis."
That is the way I remember Jeff recounting it too for what ever my memory is worth anymore.
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Post by craigslowinski on Jan 12, 2020 1:03:30 GMT -5
Robert W. Morgan Special Of the Week, 3/21/78. Used to have a tape of that. Yeah...and Dennis recounts how, shortly after playing the "Fire" tapes for probably the first time in years (well, since at least '72, I'm sure, if not '66/'67), there was a fire at The Record Plant studio across town. Kinda spooky...but at least it wasn't Brother!
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Post by petsite on Jan 12, 2020 1:24:11 GMT -5
Robert W. Morgan Special Of the Week, 3/21/78. Used to have a tape of that. Yeah...and Dennis recounts how, shortly after playing the "Fire" tapes for probably the first time in years (well, since at least '72, I'm sure, if not '66/'67), there was a fire at The Record Plant studio across town. Kinda spooky...but at least it wasn't Brother! Yep, on this show.
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Post by AGD on Jan 12, 2020 1:41:54 GMT -5
All this is reminding me what an absolutely amazing time the late 70s/early 80s were to be a BB fan. If you got to know the right people and they thought/you proved you were trustworthy, and you were patient enough, wonderful stuff would come your way. Like Fight Club there were rules of course: if they said don't copy, or even talk about what they gave you, you didn't. And you didn't ask after the first, understandable, time, or worse, offer money. It was pretty much an honour system, and for several years it worked well, until a well known name pressed up some boots from tapes that contained trackers and that was him out of the loop in the fan world. In these internet days, it all looks pretty silly but back then it worked. Maybe we could use a return to such values today. Like most golden ages, we didn't realise it until it had passed. Fans today will never experience the thrill of getting a cassette sized package and reading the handwritten label while running to the tape deck. I still recall with huge amusement the day someone sent me the wrong tape, followed swiftly by a panic-stricken phone call at stupid-o-clock in the morning my time imploring me to get in touch with A. N. Other collector and explain their copy would be arriving shortly.
And it wasn't just tapes: information flowed freely, even pre-internet at appalling transatlantic phone rates or via snailmail. Ah, my friends, what a time that was ! I miss it more than I can say, and of course those who are no longer with us, notably Coach Bob Hanes, Derek Bill and Les Chan.
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Post by AGD on Jan 12, 2020 2:07:10 GMT -5
Robert W. Morgan Special Of the Week, 3/21/78. Used to have a tape of that. Yeah...and Dennis recounts how, shortly after playing the "Fire" tapes for probably the first time in years (well, since at least '72, I'm sure, if not '66/'67), there was a fire at The Record Plant studio across town. Kinda spooky...but at least it wasn't Brother! Desper told me in 1985 that back in fall 1972 he & Carl auditioned all the Smile tapes they could find, with a view to putting out a version of the album the following year, as per the Reprise contract. I don't recall the exact wording but it was along the lines of "we got the tapes out, listened to them, made saftey copies... and then put them back in the vault".
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Post by petsite on Jan 12, 2020 2:34:08 GMT -5
All this is reminding me what an absolutely amazing time the late 70s/early 80s were to be a BB fan. If you got to know the right people and they thought/you proved you were trustworthy, and you were patient enough, wonderful stuff would come your way. Like Fight Club there were rules of course: if they said don't copy, or even talk about what they gave you, you didn't. And you didn't ask after the first, understandable, time, or worse, offer money. It was pretty much an honour system, and for several years it worked well, until a well known name pressed up some boots from tapes that contained trackers and that was him out of the loop in the fan world. In these internet days, it all looks pretty silly but back then it worked. Maybe we could use a return to such values today. Like most golden ages, we didn't realise it until it had passed. Fans today will never experience the thrill of getting a cassette sized package and reading the handwritten label while running to the tape deck. I still recall with huge amusement the day someone sent me the wrong tape, followed swiftly by a panic-stricken phone call at stupid-o-clock in the morning my time imploring me to get in touch with A. N. Other collector and explain their copy would be arriving shortly. And it wasn't just tapes: information flowed freely, even pre-internet at appalling transatlantic phone rates or via snailmail. Ah, my friends, what a time that was ! I miss it more than I can say, and of course those who are no longer with us, notably Coach Bob Hanes, Derek Bill and Les Chan. Part of the reason I wanted to hear people's story is to relive the joy we all felt the first time these gems came into our grubby little hands. Stories like AGD and others are amazing and similar to mine. Keep them coming.
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