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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Dec 26, 2018 5:05:20 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see what people read, re-read, what they can recommend. Welcome to the book club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 2:16:46 GMT -5
I wrote a really thorough list of some of my favorite books on PSF, but sadly I think I posted that too late for it to be mirrored by the Wayback Machine and I know I didn't save a copy. So...yeah. Maybe I'll rewrite that, but certainly not anytime soon. So I'll just talk about what I'm reading now instead! It's this adorable Loud House fanfic called My Sister Leni about Leni Loud, who has become my main topic of interest these last few weeks. (I often get really attached to a specific piece of media, fictional character or historical figure for a few months at a time...it's just something that my mind does. ) It's over 270k words long, which is bigger than most published novels. I'm about halfway through it and thus far my only major complaint is the lack of a spell-check at times. For those who aren't aware, Loud House is a show about a boy named Lincoln, who has 10 sisters of various ages, each with their own shtick. Leni, at face value, is the classic ditzy blonde stereotype. But what makes her special (at least to me) is that she's not catty or superficial as most "dumb blonde" archetypes are. Instead, she's far and away the most compassionate and protective of the Loud Siblings. It makes her come across like a big kid, someone who never lost their innocent view of the world, as opposed to a mean popular girl who's dumb simply because she gets handed everything and never had to think as a result. Some of my favorite moments of the show are her interactions with Lincoln--I love the way she calls him "Linky" and seeks to build up his confidence. I never had a big sister growing up but always wanted one; if I'm being honest, my admiration for the character largely stems from this aspect of wish fulfillment. Anyway, the fanfic reinterprets Leni as being on the autistic spectrum as opposed to just ditzy. (Apparently a sizable chunk of LH fans also believe in this theory.) Whether canonical or not, it's a fascinating take on the character and largely consistent with her actions on the show. It follows her from Kindergarten through High School as she bonds with her siblings, tries to learn the nuances of emotion and make friends. We see the world through a third person omniscient narrator, mostly following Leni's experiences and inner monologue but sometimes through her big sister Lori's as well. Lori on the show can be pretty bossy and quick to frustration towards her other siblings, but when push comes to shove she cares deeply for them. The fanfic does a great job capturing this, and how Lori struggles to deal with Leni's condition despite her best efforts. Most of the Chapters are these adorable, slice-of-life vignettes. The one that convinced me I needed to read to the end was Chapter 4, where Leni and her sisters watch The Land Before Time and she strongly identifies with Ducky. (The author uses this admiration to explain Leni's unusual " raptor walk" on the show, where her arms are folded up to her torso.) Then there's Chapters 10, 14 and 28, which contain some heartwarming moments between Leni and Lincoln (who's a newborn in the first two) that show how much she cares for her little brother. It may sound stupid, but I came close to tearing up at times reading those, especially with how profoundly Leni blames herself anytime Lincoln cries while under her care. Chapters 3, 11, 17, 24 and 27 are really sweet interplays between Leni and Lori. In them, Leni is able to see through her sister's put-on toughness and understand how insecure Lori really is. The fanfic is able to take the throwaway sight gag of Lori wearing a drill sergeant's uniform while babysitting and turn it into a compelling character arc about her need to feel powerful and important. Meanwhile, these chapters feature Lori noticing how hard it is for Leni to make friends, though she can't always think of what to do to help. It's so true to most sibling dynamics; there's dysfunction, but sincere love underneath. Finally, there's an ongoing subplot of Leni becoming friends with Lori's rival, Carol Pingrey and the hi-jinx that ensue when Leni tries to get both girls to make up. Leni's just too naive to understand that sometimes people just don't click. My absolute favorite part thus far has to be Chapter 15, where Leni tries to get a birthday present for Lincoln (who is still a toddler at this point in the story.) I know none of you will read it, but I don't want to spoil how this situation plays out either just in case. I always find myself touched by how much Leni cares for her brother even if she's not always the best at expressing it. The whole time reading I was just in awe of how pure her intentions were, so much so that the end of the Chapter had me legitimately tearing up. It's especially beautiful when you consider Lincoln still openly cherishes the gift Leni winds up giving him in the actual show when he's at age 11. It's one of several dozen details in the fanfic which are just so well-thought out and so sweet that you wish they were canon. There are many great Chapters in the story, but this one in particular is so touching that I honestly believe it would make for a great episode of the tv show if they were willing to do a flashback episode. I've probably said too much. Anyway, I know a fanfic based on a children's cartoon that follows an autistic girl's school life isn't going to be most of your guys' cup of tea. But it's truly one of my favorite stories I've ever read, and leaves me with a warm feeling every time I get around to finishing another segment. I can never have kids, and with the current state of climate change I probably wouldn't even if I could. So this book, to me, is another kind of wish fulfillment in that regard. It's a window into this adorable, large family I'd like to have in another life, but realistically will never get to experience firsthand. <3
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 8:14:36 GMT -5
Some favorites -
John Steinbeck - The Grapes of Wrath - Powerful read about socioeconomic/class issues told through the lens of a family of farmers trying to make their way to California. Incredibly deep, emotional, and revelatory.
Phillip Pullman - His Dark Materials - series of 3 philosophical and spiritual fantasy novels. Combines mysticism with science in interesting ways.
Aldous Huxley - Brave New World - an incredibly prophetic dystopian novel. Predicted how psychology and tech advances would lead to a society addicted to pleasure.
Kurt Vonnegut - Breakfast of Champions - hilarious and poignant book about art, consumerism, and hypocrisy in America. Rings especially true in 2018.
Edmond Rostand - Cyrano de Bergerac - very funny play about an a witty hero whose big nose prevents him from finding love.
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Post by E on Dec 27, 2018 13:10:12 GMT -5
Acquired over Christmas and either underway or about to be:
Simenon - A Maigret Christmas and Other Stories Murakami - Men Without Women McDermott, Paul and Lowry (eds) - All Because of a Mormon Cow Osborne - Only To Sleep
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Post by Silken on Dec 27, 2018 15:03:42 GMT -5
My unambitious challenge for this year was to read ten books. I've only read nine. But I've also read 400 pages of a 992-page book (The Tommyknockers, by Stephen King) so I think my challenge is complete.
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Post by usawoman on Dec 27, 2018 16:18:23 GMT -5
Hi all,
Today I am reading John Grisham's latest. It is very good. Yesterday I read A Spark of Light by Jodi Picoult. That was good. On Christmas Day I read The Christmas Star by Donna VanLiere. I do read, and re-read Christmas books, from the Saturday before Thanksgiving until Christmas Day.
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Post by Malc on Dec 27, 2018 16:35:39 GMT -5
Personally, I've never been much of a reader of novels, but give me a well written biography and I'm totally lost in the pages... which I guess is why I wrote two myself ! I kinda knew what I wanted to read...
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Post by Silken on Dec 28, 2018 8:38:40 GMT -5
Hi all, Today I am reading John Grisham's latest. It is very good. Yesterday I read A Spark of Light by Jodi Picoult. That was good. On Christmas Day I read The Christmas Star by Donna VanLiere. I do read, and re-read Christmas books, from the Saturday before Thanksgiving until Christmas Day. I LOVE John Grisham. Are you reading "The reckoning"? And have you read "Skipping Christmas"?
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Post by dustybooks on Dec 28, 2018 16:33:51 GMT -5
I'm reading The Last Picture Show by Larry McMurtry after being a fan of the film version for years.
It's quite strange, the same sense of desolation and sadness are in the novel but I feel that the characterizations are too direct, like there's less of a sense of mystery -- especially with Ruth Popper. Usually film dialogue is what's accused of laying out inner thoughts too much, but in this case I think Peter Bogdanovich's editing was smart.
I also find it kind of unpleasant to read about all the farm sex...
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Dec 29, 2018 23:49:07 GMT -5
Hello, readers.
iluvleniloud - the picture in the avatar is Leni, right? Do you think this cartoon character should be written about in real books than fanfic? Is it falsity that fanfic is lightweight, throwaway stuff as many say?
Malc - biographical books can be good. When they describe events with accuracy, details, references, footnotes, citing sources, then it's better than fictional books.
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Post by Al S on Dec 29, 2018 23:56:37 GMT -5
Any Adrian Mole diary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 0:48:32 GMT -5
Hello, readers. iluvleniloud - the picture in the avatar is Leni, right? Do you think this cartoon character should be written about in real books than fanfic? Is it falsity that fanfic is lightweight, throwaway stuff as many say? Yes, they're one and the same! I really like animation and I'd heard great things about the Loud House so my girlfriend and I decided to watch the show a few months ago and wound up enjoying it very much. I feel like it captures the perfect blend of endearing wholesomeness and silly humor without straying too far in either direction. After spending the last couple years watching nothing but gritty TV dramas like Mad Men, Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones it's been nice to just unwind and enjoy something cute and lighthearted. Anyway, with so many Sisters in the family, there's bound to be at least a few that appeal to anyone, though the downside is with so many, each one has only had a few episodes where they're the main focus. It's because of this unfortunate diluted spotlight that fanfiction is helpful to fill the void. In fact, I've actually never felt the need to read fanfiction before, it's only because I liked three of the characters in this show so much and wanted to see more that I decided to try it out. I'm partial to Leni, Lori and Luna myself. Leni I think is the idealized big sister I always wanted, where she's still a kid at heart but very nurturing of her younger siblings. Her episodes are always my favorites. Lori is the most realistic in that she's usually wrapped up in her boyfriend and being cool but that makes her sweet moments with the younger siblings really stand out. I think she has the best dynamic with the other characters, bringing out the best in whoever she's playing off of. And Luna I feel would be the most popular sister among the userbase here if you all watched the show--she's really into classic rock, is kinda boyish and plays music. So, these are the sisters I was interested in seeing fleshed out more in well-written fan fiction. As far as fan fiction goes as a whole, honestly it's just like anything else. There's bad fan fiction and there's good fan fiction the same way there's good and bad romance/thriller/sci-fi/fantasy/etc. You just have to do some digging and not mind wading through the occassional sophomoric drivel to find a buried gem. The worst fan fictions are those that focus too much on shipping, wish-fulfillment or have self-insert characters of the author. The best ones are those written by people who have decent prose, know how to keep things realistic and have a good enough understanding of the characters to where you don't find yourself pulled out of the story. In this particular story, the author is making a supporting character into the focus AND coming at her personality from an angle that's not canon as far as we're aware (autistic instead of just ditzy.) It had the potential to go horribly, horribly wrong if they weren't up to the task but I think they pull it off really well. There's never been a moment yet where I thought "wait...[XYZ character] wouldn't do that!" or "that's way too farfetched to be believable!" I'm 31 chapters in out of 52, and so far it feels very true to Leni's and Lori's characters (they're the main focus, and everyone else feels "on-model too.") It doesn't try to make Leni perfect and flawless--she's always sympathetic but she makes mistakes and sometimes hurts other people's feelings. So this keeps it from coming off as fluff or wish fulfillment. As far as Leni goes...I mean I'd certainly read a "real" novel about her if one were published and I heard good things. I don't think it will happen though, at least not one as in-depth and delving into the character's past as My Sister Leni. But then again, just a few years ago one of my all-time favorite shows, Clarissa Explains It All, got a sequel novel called Things I Can't Explain about Clarissa's post-college life. I still haven't read it, but it's written by the series creator Mitchell Kriegman and from what I've heard, he remains true to the voice of the character without sacrificing any realism. For example, it's my understanding that Clarissa and her best friend from the show, Sam, lost touch during their college years and as the novel begins, haven't spoken for years. Stuff like that feels very true to life. So I guess stranger things have happened...
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Dec 30, 2018 7:37:40 GMT -5
Thanks, that's really succintly written. Leni's goofy humor is really cool.
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Post by usawoman on Jan 9, 2019 18:12:07 GMT -5
Hi all,
Today I reread This Heart of Mine by Brenda Novak. I am doing mostly rereads to save money. Tomorrow I will reread Beautiful Ruins by Jess Walter.
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Post by Silken on Jan 9, 2019 21:58:41 GMT -5
The Beach Boys mentioned in the book I'm reading
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Post by Silken on Jan 10, 2019 8:17:54 GMT -5
Is it Murakami, Silken ? He usually namedrops The Beach Boys in books. No, it's Stephen King (The Tommyknockers). I've read a couple of Murakami books but it was long before I was a BB fan, so I probably missed the references.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 8:32:58 GMT -5
I've never read Haruki Murakami, but I know he is a big Beach Boys fan - He has even translated a BB-related book (Pet Sounds (33 1/3) by Jim Fusilli.) into Japanese.
He recently hosted a radio program, and he apparently played deep cuts like Heigh Ho/Whistle While You Work/Yo Ho (A Pirate's Life for Me) from In the Key of Disney and Little Saint Nick from What I Really Want for Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 9:09:33 GMT -5
I wrote a really thorough list of some of my favorite books on PSF, but sadly I think I posted that too late for it to be mirrored by the Wayback Machine and I know I didn't save a copy. So...yeah. Maybe I'll rewrite that, but certainly not anytime soon. So I'll just talk about what I'm reading now instead! It's this adorable Loud House fanfic called My Sister Leni about Leni Loud, who has become my main topic of interest these last few weeks. @iluvleniloud : Is that Lily Loud making her way across your latest avatar? I looked at the wiki-page again and my goodness what a lot of characters--and pets! As for the lack of a spell-check, I'm learning to accept that folks generally want to get their stuff out as soon as possible. I should add that I'm not (that's NOT) referring to your blog! Yeah, that's Lily the youngest sister. The show does indeed have a lot of characters. Like I was saying earlier it's kinda both its greatest asset and biggest curse. It makes the Loud House feel like a big wild yet fun place which was the point, but it means if you have a particular favorite or two they have to share the spotlight with so many others. Yeah, that's fair. It never really bothers me so much that it takes me out of the narrative completely but it does make me wish they'd go back and proofread after posting or something. My progress has kind of stalled the past few days but right now I'm on Chapter 33. The overarching plotline now is Leni's become aware of the stigma that comes from being placed in the schools programs for autistic kids and wants to get out of it as a result. That, and she finally made a friend (Helen) independent of tagging along with Lori.
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Post by usawoman on Jan 13, 2019 10:47:54 GMT -5
Hi all,
Today I am reading Faceless Killers Henning Mankell. So far it is very good. The chapters are short and the writing is easy to understand. I like the fact that there are no long explanations.
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 2, 2019 16:17:37 GMT -5
I've got a handful of books in progress at the moment, switching between them with my moods.
Anthony DeCurtis's "Lou Reed: A Life." Aleksandr Solzhenitzyn's "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich." Jonathan Haidt's "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided By Politics and Religion."
Jeffrey Butz's "The Brother of Jesus and the Lost Teachings of Early Christianity."
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 2, 2019 16:30:54 GMT -5
Well it was -50 F wind chill here the other day... Suffice to say, I could relate to that part. (Less so the whole "prison camp" part. Which admittedly is kind of a big part...)
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Feb 26, 2019 5:27:41 GMT -5
Bought today book about favorite subject - dear & near to me Nicholas II's daughters. It's "Four Sisters: The Lost Lives Of The Romanov Grand Duchesses" by Helen Rappaport. 2018, translated. It's got 500+ pages, with rare pics I didn't see in the Internet before! To top it off, it says "Bestseller of New York Times"! The back, in addition, gives short positive reviews by People & Kirkus Reviews. I got the book with 5% sale card. What's to tell? Cool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 6:45:41 GMT -5
My favorite novel is The Great Gatsby, and that's been the case for the last 10 years. The writing style is just absolutely beautiful and Id give anything to write like F Scott Fitzgerald. Something about Nick's appreciation for Gatsby despite criticizing him all the while also struck a chord with me. This may be minor spoilers, but theres a brief incident in Chapter 2 which points to Nick being gay. It's subtle enough that you could play it off if that's not where you want the story to go. But it also adds some context for his fawning yet disapproval of Gatsby.
The passage Im thinking about is after the party Tom takes Nick to (where he breaks Myrtle's nose). Nick meets some older man there. Then suddenly there's a reference to the two of them lying in bed or on a couch together in their underwear and Nick getting up to go. It's very very brief, blink and you miss it, that doesn't even take up a whole page. But it implies Nick is a closeted gay or bisexual (he's going out with Jordan Baker, who's a girl but has short hair and is athletic) which in turn could significantly change the dynamic between him and Gatsby. Personally, I think the story works either way, but I find that when you're attracted to someone it's a lot easier to accept their flaws than it is if the relationship is strictly platonic. So considering how Nick is constantly fawning over Gatsby and transfixed by him at times, yet all the while critical of him and well-aware of his flaws, I think that detail makes a lot of sense.
We had to read another Fitzgerald novel besides Gatsby in school--Tender is the Night. And on my own I tried to read The Beautiful and Damned since I loved Gatsby so much. I stopped because I got started too late in the summer to finish before the school year, and once that hit I was too swamped to find the time. Id like to give that another chance. And This Side of Paradise was considered Fitzgeralds masterpiece in his own lifetime, so Id say thats worth a read too.
Im also a huge fan of A Separate Peace by John Knowles. It's about a close friendship but also the main characters envy and guilt towards his companion. It really reminded me of one of my close childhood friends who was always handsome, popular and charismatic. I loved him dearly but sometimes couldn't help but be jealous of his abilities while I always felt awkward and overshadowed by comparison. I love art like this, or Vertigo, that deals with these kinds of uncomfortable but realistic emotions we often pretend don't exist in the real world.
To Kill a Mockingbird is amazing. Enough said.
My dad somehow someway let me read The Godfather by Mario Puzo when I was 13. I got a LOT of attention in school because of it too. It's a great novel, though it's often written off as trash because of the Lucy Mancini subplot. While that was admittedly kind of strange, it didn't distract me. I also liked the expanded Johnny Fontaine subplots, and missed them in the film. Reading that at the end of 7th Grade was a great feeling; it was like I officially stopped being a child and became an adult ready to read adult books.
These days it's kind of cliche, but Harry Potter is great. I've seldom read books that just completely enthralled me to the point I read thousands of pages in like 3 months. I have a lot of great memories being 13 and reading in bed on a cool autumn night before passing out I've very seldom had such fun reading a book series. The best one, by far, is Goblet of Fire.
The first three Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire books are great, and the other two have their moments too. Unfortunately the series will probably never be finished, so get invested at your own risk. The first four seasons of the TV show are great too, but I never appreciated certain characters like Ser Davos and Renly before reading the books. Like, Catelyn is pretty one-note in the show, but being able to read her inner thoughts as she's proud of her son yet fearing for his safety all the time was very profound. And Tyrion used to be really cool on the show, but he was mostly just a drunken wisecracker; in the books you see how he's completely traumatized and constantly putting himself down in his own head over what his father did to him.
The Hobbit was great, though unfortunately I've yet to read the more iconic Lord of the Rings trilogy.
The Jurassic Park novel by Michael Crichton is great. The movie is WAY too dumbed down, "kiddie-fied" and schmaltzy thanks to Spielberg being Spielberg. The novel is a lot more cerebral; it has this amazing rants by Ian Malcolm that are a scathing critique of the modern world (without being too political if that makes sense). These are the heart of the story but they were completely removed from the film. Also, a lot more characters die and John Hammond is an unrepentant asshole instead of the strangely whimsical Walt Disney-with-science he is in the movie.
Holes by Louis Sachar is the first novel I really loved (I liked reading before that, but just kid stories mostly.) I didn't expect to like it at all, but my mom got it for me so it was around. I distinctly remember I only started reading it because I was sent to my room (in the time before kids had cellphones, and before I had my own laptop) so with nothing else to do I picked it up. I ended up loving it and finishing the whole thing in a few days.
1984 needs no introduction.
Neither does Catcher in the Rye though it's a lot less "deep" now than it was when I was 18 .
Unfortunately starting in high school I stopped reading for pleasure for awhile due to being swamped with homework, a job and extra curriculars all the time. I still read a bit but not as much as I'd have liked to. I started A Tale of Two Cities in 10th or 11th grade but could never finish it for this reason (I got like 5/6 of the way thru.) Even though it's not a book, I loved reading the text of Waiting For Godot for school. In 11th Grade we read/talked about a lot of great books that I'd have loved to read but unfortunately didn't have the time.
I only really got back into reading for pleasure at the end of senior year when I read Catch a Wave during Senior Week.
Since then I've mostly just read non-fiction stuff, usually biographies about my heroes. In college, I read The Diana Chronicles about Princess Di, and some other biographies about: Syd Barrett (A Very Irregular Head, Crazy Diamond), Jimi Hendrix (Roomful of Mirrors), Janis Joplin (Scars of Sweet Paradise), Arthur Lee (Forever Changes), Jim Morrison (No One Here Gets Out Alive), Brian Jones (The Life and Death of a Rock Legend) and Grace Slick's autobiography. There might have been one or two others, but they're not coming to mind right now. I'd recommend any of them except (Im sorry to say) Grace Slick's book.
Non-biography stuff included: How Rome Fell by Adrian Goldsworthy, Carthage Must Be Destroyed, The 18 Day Running Mate by Joshua Glasser and Terry: My Daughter's Life and Death Struggle with Alcoholism by Geroge McGovern. Again, there might have been a few more but they're not coming to mind just now. I'd recommend all of the ones listed here, as long as Rome and George McGovern appeal to you.
Terry in particular is such a sweet, heartbreaking book. It's basically a biography about George's troubled daughter, with emphasis on her deadly addiction. It's so vulnerable (George includes some excerpts from her diary, and openly criticizes himself for spending too much time at work) that it just made me want to reach back in time and tell him he's a great man and it wasn't his fault, to say nothing for the words of comfort I wish I could have offered Terry herself.
The only two fiction books I read for fun in college were Goodburger 2 Go (way below my reading level, but Id always wanted to read it as a kid but could never find it and there was no Amazon) and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. The former is an interesting enough read you can knock off in one afternoon if you grew up watching Nickelodeon and saw Goodburger in theaters. I enjoyed it for what it was; Ed falling in love with a mime was especially cute. The latter is an absolute classic that really puts you in the headspace of a hippie in the Sixties.
Since graduating college, Ive just recently read Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. I really liked them a lot though I probably would have appreciated them more if I were a kid. I tried to read Ulysses by James Joyce but just couldn't do it. I'll give that another try sometime.
I recently bought Cassandra by Christa Wolf and Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole. I also bought several political books, including a biography of Trump written by some of the editors of the Washington Post. (I despise the man but I think he, his campaign, and the Russia scandal are all fascinating topics.)
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Post by Beach Boys Fan on Mar 1, 2019 11:59:32 GMT -5
I don't get the hype about "Catcher In The Rye". Dumb book when I read it few years back. I liked that dinosaur Stephen Spielberg film as kid. It impressed. Didn't read its book.
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Post by The Cap'n on Mar 1, 2019 15:40:33 GMT -5
I am reading William Propp's entry to the Anchor Bible Commentary series, "Exodus 1-18." Most of my interest in Biblical and religious history, commentary, theology, etc., is post-exilic, so this is different for me. But I saw a lecture of his online and thought I'd give it a shot. But I admit right now, its 600+ page count (being heavy reading, too) is a bit daunting, and since it's a library book that I've already renewed before even getting to it, I may well not approach completion.
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