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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 11:23:40 GMT -5
"5 Top Worst Films" is going to take some serious thought for me. There are so many "bad" films out there, and a number of movies that are just a waste of time for me. So, be patient; it's going to take a little time for me to get on board with this. Meanwhile, let's discuss your list. I'm wondering what makes these your least favorites. I believe that most of these are overrated, but certainly not the worst movies I've seen. - "Monster" (Charlize Theron 'cademy 'ward flick)--I actually haven't seen this one, and really haven't had any desire to. The subject matter doesn't appeal to me, and honestly I'm not a Charlize Theron fan. I've only seen her in one movie where I liked her character: "The Italian Job". - "(Don't)/Shoot The Piano Player" (Truffaut)--Haven't seen it, can't comment. - "Green Mile"--Not a terrible movie, but I find it a bit slow paced. Not sure I entirely "get it". - "Shawshank Redemption"--Extremely overrated. For some reason, a few of my ex's and some of my friends have thought this was an amazing movie. Great cast, but I'm just not into prison dramas. - "2001: Space Odyssey"--Also extremely overrated. Technically, it's a fantastic movie, especially for 1968. The cinematography, the special effects (especially at the confusing end), and the music certainly deserve mention. But the pacing is soooooo slow, it's almost unwatchable for me unless I have other things to do to stay awake. So, as I previously stated, I'm going to have to put some thought into my list. There are a number of criteria that one must consider. Are we including super-low-budget horror/sci-fi flicks that you might see on MS3TK? (Actually, some of those are pretty entertaining). Spaghetti Westerns that are nowhere as well made or cohesive as the "Dollar Films"? Or what about certain eras in history when movies were made in such a way that they are terribly dated? (Such as that awkward period in the late 70s/early 80s when we had such clunkers as "The Wiz" and "Xanadu"). Or like in your list, I can present movies that I believe to be endlessly overrated. Stay tuned....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 17:25:33 GMT -5
2 sockit - thanks to ask. Here's answers: - "Shawshank Redemption" - haha, extremely overrated yep. You said it. Besides you're right re: prison dramas. They tend to be samey. What do I disagree with is "great cast". I didn't think it is. Tim Robbins is talentless, as far as I can tell. Morgan Freeman plays like in every 1st film - 'K, every 2nd but the point stands. Bet many actors sit waiting when smb. rings them to tell they got job. But thanks to the Morgan Freeman likes, they keep waiting. Frankly, skeptical when smb. in prison gets out, easy escape. This film's ending defies logic. Sure, it's film but it'd be nice if script been little bit realistic. >>>>I agree with you so far, for the most part. Tim Robbins is rather hit and miss, but I've seen him do ok in other films. The same year Shawshank came out (1994) he starred in a movie called "The Hudsucker Proxy", which I think is a much better film. It's a Cohen Bros. movie which has quite a bit of snappy humor (which, of course may not be for everybody). - "2001: Space Odyssey" - yes indeed, funny it's got such cult status. It made me furious to be cheated with empty black screen. Then terrible monkey sequence, seemed like going forever. Hey you liked "Blue Danube"? Didn't expect it's to your taste. I too like it. But not when it plays nearly entire film. Yep, puzzling ending, too profound maybe. Which I hate usually - anything profound's too laughable. Again, couldn't care less about cinematography. In fact, I rarely care about these things. What's important is film must be anything BUT boring. Else what's the point? >>>>Yes, I do like Strauss, and a number of other classical composers (especially Bach). My musical tastes are quite varied, as is my musical background. The Zarathustra theme song to the movie is fine, but it has become a bit of a cliché over the years. As far as the movie goes, I always skip the monkey scene when I'm watching the DVD. Looks like I listed overrated films. Let's stick to it. Sci-fi is nice but frankly, they're mainly good than bad. Didn't see mystery theatre films (or...did I?). Respectful mention will be Sergio Leone film with lengthy title. There's Italian chick, Charles Bronson (saving grace in the epic fail), talentless yet funnily praised Henry Fonda who is miscast here. "Slow pacing" you stated you hate? This film got it in spades. Say, really-really-really-really-really-really slow. Girl is annoying, boy is she annoying. Argh. >>>>"Once Upon a Time in the West" (1968) is the name of the movie. I totally disagree with you on that one! I think it's Leone's second best movie after G,B,&U. The girl, Claudia Cardinale was once a porn star, and she made her way into some major movies in the 60s. Not the greatest actress, but she fit the parts she played.
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Post by AGD on Oct 21, 2019 4:59:12 GMT -5
- "2001: Space Odyssey" - yes indeed, funny it's got such cult status. It made me furious to be cheated with empty black screen. Then terrible monkey sequence, seemed like going forever. Hey you liked "Blue Danube"? Didn't expect it's to your taste. I too like it. But not when it plays nearly entire film. Yep, puzzling ending, too profound maybe. Which I hate usually - anything profound's too laughable. Again, couldn't care less about cinematography. In fact, I rarely care about these things. What's important is film must be anything BUT boring. Else what's the point? If you skip the "monkey scene" (actually, they're hominids) then you're missing the central theme of the entire movie. Without that setup, nothing else makes sense.
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Post by Paul JB on Oct 21, 2019 8:53:23 GMT -5
Gotta disagree with you folks on 2001. That film is a cinematic masterpiece. Movies in essence are picture board stories...moving photographs. I don't know how you can like movies and not care about cinematography BB fan. Everyone has their own tastes and likes so if you were bored OK, I'm bored by a lot of classics too but I think the entire point of it may have escaped you. The genius behind 2001 is that nearly the entire story is told without a bunch of people explaining everything through dialog...the photographic images speak for themselves.
The scene when the "monkey" tosses the bone (weapon/tool) into the air and immediately jumps to the space ship spinning in the same pattern as the flying bone is brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 18:38:40 GMT -5
- "2001: Space Odyssey" - yes indeed, funny it's got such cult status. It made me furious to be cheated with empty black screen. Then terrible monkey sequence, seemed like going forever. Hey you liked "Blue Danube"? Didn't expect it's to your taste. I too like it. But not when it plays nearly entire film. Yep, puzzling ending, too profound maybe. Which I hate usually - anything profound's too laughable. Again, couldn't care less about cinematography. In fact, I rarely care about these things. What's important is film must be anything BUT boring. Else what's the point? If you skip the "monkey scene" (actually, they're hominids) then you're missing the central theme of the entire movie. Without that setup, nothing else makes sense. Gee, and I thought it was just a really cool space opera!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 18:47:08 GMT -5
Whilst you think Top 5 worst, which 5 Hitchcock films d'you find overrated? These ain't discussed by I - it's various Imdb reviews,what these people think: - "Psycho" - "Vertigo" - "North By Northwest" - "Marnie" - "Birds" I really don't think I want to get into bashing Hitchcock films. The thing about those movies is that you can't effectively compare them to other movies in the thriller genre. Hitchcock had a style and trademark all his own. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is up to individual taste. Might as well put "Rope" and "Rear Window" in that list while you're at it. They seem to be overrated to some extent. Or are they?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 18:38:18 GMT -5
Might as well put "Rope" and "Rear Window" in that list while you're at it. They seem to be overrated to some extent. Or are they? Them reviewers didn't say R & RW to be overrated. Mainly they praise each film. Which biopic d'you think the worst generally? To me, it's def. "Buddy Holly Story". Hate it. I didn't think BHS was that bad, although I haven't seen it in many years. In retrospect, it's hard to believe that Gary Busey was once "normal" enough to play such a role! I have two picks for "worst biopics". --THE DOORS (1990) Yeah, the Oliver Stone debacle. Being a longtime Doors fan, I wanted this to be a great movie, but I found it to be a severe letdown due to lousy acting and sloppy production. I've watched it a few more times over the years, and guess what? It still sucks! --THE BEACH BOYS: AN AMERICAN FAMILY (2000) Could have been a pretty good film with better actors and straighter facts! That's all I'm gonna say about that!
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Post by AGD on Oct 23, 2019 5:11:53 GMT -5
The first half of "BB-AF" wasn't too bad. The second part... as Brian said at the time, it wasn't very nice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:35:55 GMT -5
What d'you think about acclaimed actors playing in goofy lightweight films? F.ex. Robert De Niro in "Meet Parents". Shouldn't that type actors play in strictly meaningful serious films? They may ruin reputation & status "dramatic serious thespian". Discuss. I agree for the most part. Meet the Parents, et al.....Analyze This/That....etc. Yeah those got old real quick. However, I make an exception when it comes to parody films, like Airplane! The majority of the cast were serious veteran actors, which made it believable and absurd at the same time. Leslie Nielsen had been making sci-fi and drama films since the 1950s, and Airplane! changed his whole career path, leading to the Police Squad series, the Naked Gun movies, Scary Movie 3 and 4, plus a few other parody movies. Those are some of my favorite comedies of all time. Being such a fan of comedies like Police Academy, you've got to be into the Abrahams/Zucker movies, right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:39:00 GMT -5
The first half of "BB-AF" wasn't too bad. The second part... as Brian said at the time, it wasn't very nice. Yeah, that was nicely understated, wasn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 19:58:04 GMT -5
Being such a fan of comedies like Police Academy, you've got to be into the Abrahams/Zucker movies, right? In the other thread, you say Jimmy Fallon is anything but funny. Which else do you regard bad at making you laugh? To me, it's Groucho Marx, Woody Allen, Rick Gervais, Peter Sellers, Bill Murray, Charlie Chaplin, Louis C.K., Walter Matthau, Martin Lawrence, Adam Sandler, Farelli guys' stupidity, Dan Aykroyd. Groucho and his bros. were pretty funny and geniuses at comic timing. Woody Allen, not to my liking and way overrated, IMO. Ricky Gervais is an unfunny pompous twit. Louis CK is another unfunny knucklehead. The rest that you list are ok to pretty good, in my book. As for my own list of deplorable comedy folks: Steve Harvey, Will Forte, Ashton Kutcher, Ken Jeong, and the entire current cast of SNL, except for Kenan Thompson.
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Post by jay on Oct 25, 2019 11:51:17 GMT -5
I think Gary Busey did a pretty good job with what he was given. I thought his singing "True Love Ways" was the highlight of the film.
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Post by AGD on Oct 26, 2019 0:47:02 GMT -5
Watching Stone's "The Doors" is the closest I've come to being thrown out of a cinema. Back in the 80s I wrote, with John Tobler, a book on said band, and thus some basic knowledge lingered, hence my running commentary to my friends (and anyone else within earshot) of: "That's wrong"... "They never played there in 1966"... "They hadn't even written that song then"... "Patricia Kennealy was not that attractive"... "The clothes/haircuts are wrong for the period"... So, you can understand why eventually the manager tapped me on the shoulder and most politely but equally firmly asked me to refrain from further comment or kindly leave the cinema. Oddly (amazingly, some might say), watching "Love & Mercy" didn't engender anything like the same response: there was one major "hmmmm" moment in the 60s bit, which was otherwise pretty good as regards historical accuracy (and Paul Dano's Brian was just astonishing), and as the 80s part was based on the recollections of one person, I couldn't honestly comment. As for the five worst films I've ever seen:
"Star Trek - The Motion Picture" "Flash Gordon" (1980 version) "At Eternity's Gate" "Johnny Got His Gun" "Titanic"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 11:27:19 GMT -5
As for the five worst films I've ever seen:
"Star Trek - The Motion Picture"
Ha! Interestingly, "Star Trek - TMP" is at the top of my worst films list. I saw it as a teen a few weeks after it was released and my sister and I were the only ones in the theater! It was a clunker all the way through. The worst part was that long, long sequence where they were travelling through that giant ship/organism/whatever it was. After several minutes, I looked over at my sister, rolled my eyes and said something like "When's this gonna end?" Another horrible movie from the following year was "Popeye"....or as Mad Magazine appropriately called it "Flopeye". As Robin Williams' big screen debut, I wanted to like it so much, but it was an utter bomb. Terrible acting, terrible music, and terrible story. I wanted to walk out of the theater, but this was playing as a double feature with "Airplane!" which was worth waiting for. Interesting (or maybe not) personal note: This was the last time I went to a theater with my parents. "Star Wars Episode I : The Phantom Menace"--I absolutely hated...HATED! everything about this movie! When I saw this in the theater, the place was packed, but there were more groans and yelling out of comments like "What the ****!" The problems with this movie have been discussed numerous times so I will just leave it at that. Well, that's three so far, and all I can think of for now. Interestingly, these are all movies I've seen in the theater (and paid good money to see; probably the main reason I never walked out!).
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Post by jay on Oct 28, 2019 15:07:39 GMT -5
"Patricia Kennealy was not that attractive"... Oh man, that made my day.
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Post by Paul JB on Oct 29, 2019 9:16:55 GMT -5
"Patricia Kennealy was not that attractive"... Oh man, that made my day. If we use that as a barometer to thumb a movie up or down we won't like anything!!! Reese Witherspoon is a lot cuter than June Carter Cash too but Walk The Line was still a pretty good movie IMO. One of my all time favorite films is Braveheart. Very little of that film is based on factual events...however, enough of the main points were accurate. Wallace was a rebel/freedom fighter, the English murdered his woman, he led the Sottish to a large victory on the battlefield, he was caught and executed. That was about 800 years ago so most people don't even think about was was true or not since there is minimal history to rely on...but enough to know there were many fictional elements added, things like the blue face paint and bagpipes were not of that era. Back to appearances, in reality I'm sure Wallace looked nothing like Mel Gibson...probably was a scruffy smelly old brute and the women...Sophie Marceau and Catherine McCormack....yea I'm gonna go out on a limb and say in William Wallace's dreams he would hook up with that kind of beauty. *Sort of got off track, my larger point was that I don't mind liberties being taken if the overall film is entertaining and works. Braveheart inspired me to read up on the subject. Scotland is still a place I intend to visit one day.
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