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Post by Fall Breaks on Feb 8, 2019 0:21:29 GMT -5
Are there any recordings of Carl singing Wild Honey live in 1977?
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Post by craigslowinski on Feb 8, 2019 0:24:24 GMT -5
Are there any recordings of Carl singing Wild Honey live in 1977? There are audience recordings of him singing it at Madison Square Garden in November '76.
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Post by Vale on Feb 10, 2019 6:24:12 GMT -5
Which are the BB songs with more alternate takes? I guess Time To Get Alone is a good candidate.
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Post by Vale on Feb 10, 2019 6:30:02 GMT -5
I was listening to Walk On By on the UM series, and there is the line ‘each time with me’.. does anybody knows why in all the other releases this is missing?
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Post by g00dvibrations on Feb 14, 2019 18:05:07 GMT -5
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Post by seagullmerlin on Feb 14, 2019 21:22:39 GMT -5
I was listening to Walk On By on the UM series, and there is the line ‘each time with me’.. does anybody knows why in all the other releases this is missing? As far as I can tell it's just because the line was partially taped over and is incomplete (would be "each time we meet") either that or they don't have the stem for that vocal anymore in the archives
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 15, 2019 14:03:39 GMT -5
I have blindly speculated that "Half Moon Bay" could have begun in the Beck sessions: it has that Pet Sounds vibe to some extent, and it isn't hard to imagine Beck instead of Isham with the instrumental lead. I believe a different story from around that time had "Run James Run" in the running at that time, which makes sense as a Beck showcase as well. (I know that didn't end up on NPP.)
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Post by craigslowinski on Feb 16, 2019 21:09:13 GMT -5
Question about the electric keyboards on the Friends album: Me and a few others were discussing this a few days ago and I just wanted to get some more thoughts, what do you think is used on each track? I know around that time there was a lot of the RMI rock-si-chord, which can sound very clavinet-ish when it wants (e.g. Add Some Music), but some tracks like Friends and I'm Confessin' do sound like an actual clavinet to me. Did they have one in the home studio then? Track by track to me it sounds like: Friends - clavinet I'm Confessin' - clavinet Passing By - rock-si-chord Busy Doin' Nothin' - clavinet on Even Steven track, rock-si-chord on re-recorded bridges for BDN (buried under the acoustic guitars but there if you OOPS it) Wake the World - rock-si-chord Be Here in the Mornin' - rock-si-chord (also roxi on We're Together again, All I Wanna Do and Can't Wait Too Long) Does that seem about right or am I way off? It's the keys on Wake the World and Mornin' that are throwing me the most 'cause they're mixed low and kinda combined with the electric guitar. I don't think they had the "Roxi" until after the Friends sessions, so I think it's clavinet on "Passing By", "Be Here In The Mornin'", and all of "Busy Doin' Nothin'". I don't hear an electric keyboard on "Wake The World" - just detuned piano. Definitely Roxi on "We're Together Again", "All I Wanna Do", and maybe "Can't Wait Too Long" (haven't analyzed that one yet).
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Post by elora on Feb 16, 2019 21:30:24 GMT -5
A silly question, but is the track titled "Lazy Lizzy" or "Lazy Lizzie"? I've seen both floating around.
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Post by Mikie on Feb 16, 2019 21:43:55 GMT -5
A silly question, but is the track titled "Lazy Lizzy" or "Lazy Lizzie"? I've seen both floating around. "Lazy Lizzie".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 16:23:36 GMT -5
When was the Water Chant recorded? What studio, who engineered, etc?
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Post by craigslowinski on Mar 31, 2019 18:59:39 GMT -5
From my sessionography in the SMiLE Sessions box set:
COOL, COOL WATER CHANT (appears as intro to Track 18 on CD 1)
Vocals: Brian, Dennis, Carl, Mike, Al, Bruce
Track, Overdubs & Vocals recorded at Brian Wilson's Bel Air Home Studio, Thursday October 26, 1967, 1:00pm-4:00pm
Additional vocals recorded at Wally Heider Studio 3, Sunday October 29, 1967, times unknown
Engineer: Jim Lockert, 2nd Engineer: Bill Halverson
No take slated / Master # 58583 / Recorded on 1" 8-track tape
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 1:26:31 GMT -5
From my sessionography in the SMiLE Sessions box set: COOL, COOL WATER CHANT (appears as intro to Track 18 on CD 1) Vocals: Brian, Dennis, Carl, Mike, Al, Bruce Track, Overdubs & Vocals recorded at Brian Wilson's Bel Air Home Studio, Thursday October 26, 1967, 1:00pm-4:00pm Additional vocals recorded at Wally Heider Studio 3, Sunday October 29, 1967, times unknown Engineer: Jim Lockert, 2nd Engineer: Bill Halverson No take slated / Master # 58583 / Recorded on 1" 8-track tape Thanks Craig! Were there any other songs worked on at these sessions?
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Post by craigslowinski on Apr 1, 2019 6:28:28 GMT -5
From my sessionography in the SMiLE Sessions box set: COOL, COOL WATER CHANT (appears as intro to Track 18 on CD 1) Vocals: Brian, Dennis, Carl, Mike, Al, Bruce Track, Overdubs & Vocals recorded at Brian Wilson's Bel Air Home Studio, Thursday October 26, 1967, 1:00pm-4:00pm Additional vocals recorded at Wally Heider Studio 3, Sunday October 29, 1967, times unknown Engineer: Jim Lockert, 2nd Engineer: Bill Halverson No take slated / Master # 58583 / Recorded on 1" 8-track tape Thanks Craig! Were there any other songs worked on at these sessions? Yes...the Wild Honey album.
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Post by AGD on Apr 1, 2019 7:57:40 GMT -5
Check out 10452.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 12:38:19 GMT -5
The end of Smile is an interesting time period for me. Even though Derek announced in early May the album was shelved, work continued on it still. Why? When did “Love to Say Dada” become “Cool, Cool Water”? When did Brian give up? Who told Derek the album was scrapped? And why did Carl still consider “Cool, Cool Water” a Smile track? Did Brian really stop working on Smile after May?
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Post by AGD on Apr 1, 2019 14:12:23 GMT -5
It should be noted that when Taylor announced in early May that Smile had been abandoned, it came as a complete surprise to the band when they read about it while on tour in Europe.
That said, the album was pretty much dead in the water by the end of 1966, if Brian had been honest with everyone, including himself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 14:19:28 GMT -5
It should be noted that when Taylor announced in early May that Smile had been abandoned, it came as a complete surprise to the band when they read about it while on tour in Europe. That said, the album was pretty much dead in the water by the end of 1966, if Brian had been honest with everyone, including himself. Gosh this really is a mysterious subject. If only Taylor were still alive, we could ask him for more details. Interesting perspective Andrew! Why do you think the album was screwed that early on? I think Smile was scrapped by March '67 whether Brian would admit it at the time or not. Both Marilyn and Van Dyke have correlated the end of the project with the month they moved into the house on Bellagio. The Vegetables single sessions in April were just Vegetables rather than Vega-Tables and the style of music had changed quite a bit. It was for the next Beach Boys album called Smile, but by then it wasn't the album Brian & Van Dyke envisioned in '66 and he finally settled into a new niche that allowed him to get productive again once the group got back from their European tour. Just like it came off in the press at the time, there was never a clear divide. Brian's nephew coming up with the Smiley Smile title posthumously gave the newer sessions a distinct identify from what the group originally started. March does make sense. He finished the last Smile-era version of "Heroes and Villains" around that time. Saying things fell apart in March makes dismissing the "Vega-Tables", "Wonderful" and "Love to Say Dada" remakes easier. I wonder why he wanted to re-record "Love to Say Dada" tho. Maybe Brian was still in denial about the project being screwed.
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Post by AGD on Apr 1, 2019 14:44:02 GMT -5
It should be noted that when Taylor announced in early May that Smile had been abandoned, it came as a complete surprise to the band when they read about it while on tour in Europe. That said, the album was pretty much dead in the water by the end of 1966, if Brian had been honest with everyone, including himself. Gosh this really is a mysterious subject. If only Taylor were still alive, we could ask him for more details. Interesting perspective Andrew! Why do you think the album was screwed that early on? I think because sometime between mid- and late-December 1966 it became obvious to him that he couldn't do it. He'd promised a December album and single, failed on that and agreed to dates in january that he knew he couldn't manage. Up to mid-December, he was working on lots of different songs, but thereafter he "concentrated" - if that's the right word - on faffing around with "H&V" to the point of distraction, and also with "Vega-Tables" to a lesser degree. That's the sign of someone in full-on avoidance mode. You may, of course, disagree.
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Post by g00dvibrations on Apr 1, 2019 18:30:44 GMT -5
is the Papa Doo Run Run Bruce-produced B-side of Disney Girls the same as the Going Public version?
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Post by Cam Mott on Apr 1, 2019 18:35:02 GMT -5
I think Smile was scrapped by March '67 whether Brian would admit it at the time or not. Both Marilyn and Van Dyke have correlated the end of the project with the month they moved into the house on Bellagio. The Vegetables single sessions in April were just Vegetables rather than Vega-Tables and the style of music had changed quite a bit. It was for the next Beach Boys album called Smile, but by then it wasn't the album Brian & Van Dyke envisioned in '66 and he finally settled into a new niche that allowed him to get productive again once the group got back from their European tour. Just like it came off in the press at the time, there was never a clear divide. Brian's nephew coming up with the Smiley Smile title posthumously gave the newer sessions a distinct identify from what the group originally started. This all sounds familiar......and very credible.....whoever came up with this must be a handsome devil.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 22:10:57 GMT -5
Gosh this really is a mysterious subject. If only Taylor were still alive, we could ask him for more details. Interesting perspective Andrew! Why do you think the album was screwed that early on? I think because sometime between mid- and late-December 1966 it became obvious to him that he couldn't do it. He'd promised a December album and single, failed on that and agreed to dates in january that he knew he couldn't manage. Up to mid-December, he was working on lots of different songs, but thereafter he "concentrated" - if that's the right word - on faffing around with "H&V" to the point of distraction, and also with "Vega-Tables" to a lesser degree. That's the sign of someone in full-on avoidance mode. You may, of course, disagree. This is honestly so brilliant. I couldn't have worded it better myself. If Brian had kept it together, Smile definitely could have been finished by Xmas '66. The 'faffing around' really took a toll when he started re-recording songs that were already done. He obviously was confused, and the quotes of him from those months certainly prove it. "So what have you got coming up, Brian?" - Paul McCartney "Well, I've got this song called 'Heroes and Villains', but I'm just not sure about it." - Brian Wilson Smile was sinking at this point. It had been dead in the water since late December. Having gone through all the different versions of "Heroes and Villains" tho, I am extremely glad he took January and February to figure out the perfect mix for the single mix (it's kick-ass). But spending all that time on one thing did really kill the momentum behind the album. This is all so unfortunate. I really wish I could go back in time and try to keep Brian confident in his vision. The lives of Brian and the Beach Boys would've turned out much, much better. I think Smile was scrapped by March '67 whether Brian would admit it at the time or not. Both Marilyn and Van Dyke have correlated the end of the project with the month they moved into the house on Bellagio. The Vegetables single sessions in April were just Vegetables rather than Vega-Tables and the style of music had changed quite a bit. It was for the next Beach Boys album called Smile, but by then it wasn't the album Brian & Van Dyke envisioned in '66 and he finally settled into a new niche that allowed him to get productive again once the group got back from their European tour. Just like it came off in the press at the time, there was never a clear divide. Brian's nephew coming up with the Smiley Smile title posthumously gave the newer sessions a distinct identify from what the group originally started. This all sounds familiar......and very credible.....whoever came up with this must be a handsome devil. Carol Kaye said Brian was "Crazy like a fox". I remember reading an interview with Mike Love from '67, where he explained this whole Smile-Single nightmare Brian concocted to confuse Capitol during the lawsuit.
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Post by Cam Mott on Apr 2, 2019 6:20:07 GMT -5
Though I agree with myself about the "hard" transition from SMILE to Smiley being in March, I also agree Smile probably had begun ending much earlier, maybe even since Novemberish when the co-authors were having artistic differences. Both, along with the Boys, working their butts off trying to make it work but it just didn't.
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Post by filledeplage on Apr 2, 2019 6:38:14 GMT -5
Gosh this really is a mysterious subject. If only Taylor were still alive, we could ask him for more details. Interesting perspective Andrew! Why do you think the album was screwed that early on? I think because sometime between mid- and late-December 1966 it became obvious to him that he couldn't do it. He'd promised a December album and single, failed on that and agreed to dates in january that he knew he couldn't manage. Up to mid-December, he was working on lots of different songs, but thereafter he "concentrated" - if that's the right word - on faffing around with "H&V" to the point of distraction, and also with "Vega-Tables" to a lesser degree. That's the sign of someone in full-on avoidance mode. You may, of course, disagree. Far from being a Smile scholar, I don't get why there were still Smile sessions going well into the Spring of 1967. I don't have many of my resource materials near me, but I seem to remember that (I'm inferring this) that pulling the plug came as a shock to the band. Even if Brian (the band) over-promised but under-delivered Smile, don't the sessions that continued, indicate that Brian was doing more than going-through-the-motions?
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Post by AGD on Apr 2, 2019 6:50:20 GMT -5
Never confuse movement with action.
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