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Post by dauber on May 6, 2022 12:18:31 GMT -5
What exactly was the deal with Capitol having the rights to a certain span of material when the Beach Boys left for Warner Bros.? Judging by Endless Summer, the cutoff was 1965, but "Break Away" (and nothing else post-1965) was included on Spirit of America (and there's no licensing notation for "Break Away"). Some time between 1975 and 1982 (as evidenced by the Sunshine Dream compilation) they obviously got the rights to all the other stuff they originally released in the '60s, but when did the rights revert? And what about the 1970-and-later stuff -- around 1982, did Caribou still own the rights?
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Post by boogieboarder on May 6, 2022 13:12:48 GMT -5
What exactly was the deal with Capitol having the rights to a certain span of material when the Beach Boys left for Warner Bros.? Judging by Endless Summer, the cutoff was 1965, but "Break Away" (and nothing else post-1965) was included on Spirit of America (and there's no licensing notation for "Break Away"). Some time between 1975 and 1982 (as evidenced by the Sunshine Dream compilation) they obviously got the rights to all the other stuff they originally released in the '60s, but when did the rights revert? And what about the 1970-and-later stuff -- around 1982, did Caribou still own the rights? One clue is that Discogs shows Pet Sounds as being continually reissued on vinyl and cassette in the U.S. through 1969, and then reissued on Reprise starting in 1972 with various reissues through 1976. After that it is reissued on Capitol starting in 1980. Throughout that time, Pet Sounds was continually reissued in various European countries and Japan on Capitol.
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Post by AGD on May 6, 2022 13:27:39 GMT -5
The deal with Reprise was for all the post-Party studio albums (amazingly, including Smile) and as I recall was for ten years, after which they reverted to Capitol. "Break Away" slipped through the net because it was never on an album. The post 20/20 albums (up to 1978) were released on Brother/Reprise, but the masters remained with Brother until, I think, about 2000 when they were leased to Capitol.
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Post by Rick Bartlett on Jun 22, 2022 23:50:35 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say, the only song in the whole Beach Boys catalogue that has actually been sung by Brian, Mike, Al, Carl and Dennis at one point or another is.......... 'Help Me Rhonda'?
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Post by goodvibrations33 on Jun 26, 2022 17:49:53 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say, the only song in the whole Beach Boys catalogue that has actually been sung by Brian, Mike, Al, Carl and Dennis at one point or another is.......... 'Help Me Rhonda'?
Good Timin' is probably right there too!
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Post by craigslowinski on Jun 26, 2022 22:00:29 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say, the only song in the whole Beach Boys catalogue that has actually been sung by Brian, Mike, Al, Carl and Dennis at one point or another is.......... 'Help Me Rhonda'?
Good Timin' is probably right there too! Assume we're talking lead vocals? Not sure Al ever has.
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Post by dayravies on Jun 30, 2022 11:33:41 GMT -5
I was looking on Desper's wiki page and noticed he doesn't have credits on either CATP or Holland but returned for 15BO and then KTSA. I had always been under the assumption he was the engineer on CATP and Holland as well.. I didn't find any info on why though.
To further confuse things, on some alternate version of wikipedia I guess (https://pipiwiki.com/wiki/Carl_and_the_Passions_-_So_Tough) it says this, which is not on the official wiki page:
"This LP was mixed for Quadraphonic reproduction (also compatible with stereo).[citation needed] It was to be played back using the now long-extinct Dynaco or EV Stereo-4 decoders,[1][page needed] or later, using the "360Surround" matrix decoder built by Stephen Desper."
Anyone know the story on that? I can't tell down from up.
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Post by AGD on Jun 30, 2022 12:09:25 GMT -5
SWD left the band's employ in late 1971. The next engineer was Steve Moffit.
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Post by #JusticeForDonGoldberg on Jul 1, 2022 21:25:25 GMT -5
Iirc his 15 Big Ones credit is from the Sunflower outtake only
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Post by drbeachboy (Dirk) on Jul 2, 2022 20:12:17 GMT -5
Iirc his 15 Big Ones credit is from the Sunflower outtake only For Susie Cincinnati.
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Post by dayravies on Jul 5, 2022 16:54:06 GMT -5
Is anyone else having any trouble getting the password right for the Friends study video? (found it on the Sail On podcast page for their "Friends Part 3") I've tried about 10 different variations of what I believe it to be. I understand that it's a password.. and therefore you may not be inclined to outright advise it here, so if anyone would care to DM me I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. sailon.podbean.com/e/64-friends-part-3/
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Post by boogieboarder on Jul 5, 2022 19:23:16 GMT -5
At 1:28 into "County Fair," the barker is telling lead singer Mike Love to win his girl a stuffed koala bear, but the girl says "Come on Davey!" Who's Davey? Is that David Marks?
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 5, 2022 19:34:47 GMT -5
Pretty sure it's "come on baby." But as the song's fading out, you can hear Nick yell, "come on Beach Boys!" which is pretty fun.
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Post by dauber on Jul 6, 2022 0:01:45 GMT -5
Is anyone else having any trouble getting the password right for the Friends study video? All lower-case.
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Post by jasonaustin on Jul 6, 2022 2:09:54 GMT -5
Here's a question that might demand an answer.
Who sings lead on "Baker Man"? Mike? Brian? A third party? My CD says it's Brian, but it sure doesn't sound like him-- more like Mike with a head cold.
I think I can pick out Brian in the harmony stack, but maybe I'm wrong. If he's singing harmonies, then it's probably Mike on lead, right? Perhaps somebody here with a better attuned ear can tell me for certain?
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Post by runnersdialzero on Jul 6, 2022 6:57:44 GMT -5
Here's a question that might demand an answer. Who sings lead on "Baker Man"? Mike? Brian? A third party? My CD says it's Brian, but it sure doesn't sound like him-- more like Mike with a head cold. I think I can pick out Brian in the harmony stack, but maybe I'm wrong. If he's singing harmonies, then it's probably Mike on lead, right? Perhaps somebody here with a better attuned ear can tell me for certain? Definitely Brian doing a bit of a put-on, grittier vocal style. Also, pretty sure Brian appears in the harmony stack on several songs he does lead on, though maybe (maybe!) less often in the earliest days.
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Post by dayravies on Jul 6, 2022 9:02:56 GMT -5
Is anyone else having any trouble getting the password right for the Friends study video? All lower-case. You sir, are a genius! I know in the past they were often case-sensitive so I didn't even think to try that. Thank you.
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Post by dauber on Jul 6, 2022 9:33:12 GMT -5
Who sings lead on "Baker Man"? Mike? Brian? A third party? My CD says it's Brian, but it sure doesn't sound like him-- more like Mike with a head cold. If you ACTUALLY want to hear Mike with a head cold, listen to "Catch a Wave" and "Hawaii" -- he had a cold when they recorded those songs.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 6, 2022 9:46:21 GMT -5
Baker Man is Brian on lead, with Brian, Carl, and Bob Norberg on backing vocals. For a lot of his outside productions and demos, Brian sings both lead and backing on different tracks.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 6, 2022 9:57:11 GMT -5
Wow, Conway really does have a much different sound than Western
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Post by boogieboarder on Jul 6, 2022 10:26:44 GMT -5
Who sings lead on "Baker Man"? Mike? Brian? A third party? My CD says it's Brian, but it sure doesn't sound like him-- more like Mike with a head cold. If you ACTUALLY want to hear Mike with a head cold, listen to "Catch a Wave" and "Hawaii" -- he had a cold when they recorded those songs. His nose was on the critical list.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 6, 2022 14:04:22 GMT -5
By the way, for those wondering why Brian sounds like that, it sounds like he's doing a (not very convincing) impression of Walter Ward, who he wrote the song for:
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Post by jasonaustin on Jul 6, 2022 18:36:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the help, everybody. It's great to have such experts on board here to answer these questions. That vocal by Brian is certainly sui generis.
So "Baker Man" was written for the Olympics? That makes perfect sense, actually. Brian loved those guys, and it was right in line with their signature sound. I had previously assumed that the Beach Boys had intended to release it as a single at some point.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 6, 2022 19:21:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the help, everybody. It's great to have such experts on board here to answer these questions. That vocal by Brian is certainly sui generis. So "Baker Man" was written for the Olympics? That makes perfect sense, actually. Brian loved those guys, and it was right in line with their signature sound. I had previously assumed that the Beach Boys had intended to release it as a single at some point. Actually, I think it was written back in 1962, probably for The Beach Boys. The title is on one of the AFM contracts for the Surfin' Safari sessions, implying they were going to record it for the album, but it was eventually swapped with The Shift, which is nearly the same song, musically. Maybe the change was made mid-session, or the vocals were taped over or something. But yes, by the time he made this recording, it was for the Olympics, or some other doo wop group. It was a demo for Nevins-Kirshner, so Brian's vocal here wasn't intended for release. Side Two, found on the 2013 Big Beat release, was also recorded at the same session, implying that Brian wanted The Baker Man to be an A-side for someone. It seems it only ended up being an album track, though.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 6, 2022 20:38:10 GMT -5
I love this stupid little song. Brian's countless side projects are endlessly fascinating to me
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