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Post by jasonaustin on Feb 4, 2019 21:38:34 GMT -5
I was having a chat about them with some of the old Record Room crew on Facebook about a year ago. Where are those guys hanging out now? I still run into those fellas on Ye Olde Facebook. Send 'em a friend request!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 20:18:30 GMT -5
Where are those guys hanging out now? I still run into those fellas on Ye Olde Facebook. Send 'em a friend request! I'm not following you. Do you have a link or something?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 9:41:21 GMT -5
I want to contribute to this thread, but I don't think I'm a knowledgeable enough fan. First, I don't have all of the songs, and second, for some reason, I don't have enough patience with some of the songs. I either really like a VU song or it turns me off. I never felt quite that way about any other group. I'll be listening to a song, whether it be "Venus In Furs" or "Candy Says", and I'll think, "Yeah, Lou, you really hit the mark. I know what you're doing here, what you're going for here. It's so cool, and I like it!" Then I'll be struggling through, I don't know, I'm afraid to list one, maybe "I Heard Her Call My Name" or whatever and think, "You're just throwing this stuff out. It's boring and slightly pretentious."
I think the Velvet Underground were necessary and essential. We needed a group to record and perform songs like that - music of the streets, drugs, the underground (a perfect term), offbeat characters, and Lou's tender love songs (which is the ying and yang to his music). They came along at the perfect time. It's too bad they didn't have more commercial success or that more people didn't hear them.
I like The Cap'n's tracklist/comp above. I realize is a personal and somewhat of a sampler, but I have to include "I'm Waiting For The Man". I just can't have a comp without it!
I agree that "Candy Says" is a beautiful song. The only version of "Andy's Chest" that I was familiar with was Lou's Transformer track, which I like very much. I always thought the VU version of "Sweet Jane" was underwhelming and Lou missed the mark. However, with his solo career, Lou turned it into an essential classic, especially with his live versions. "Pale Blue Eyes" shows that "other side" of Lou Reed perfectly. I think I prefer the Live 1969 version. It's very similar to the studio version but Lou performs it with more of a loose feel and with a wink in his eye.
Question - I always found "Sunday Morning" to be an odd choice for an album opener. Conversely, I thought it made a prefect album CLOSER. Agree or disagree?
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 16, 2019 11:18:59 GMT -5
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I like The Cap'n's tracklist/comp above. I realize is a personal and somewhat of a sampler, but I have to include "I'm Waiting For The Man". I just can't have a comp without it!
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Question - I always found "Sunday Morning" to be an odd choice for an album opener. Conversely, I thought it made a prefect album CLOSER. Agree or disagree?
Keep in mind that tracklist was just meant as a certain kind of counterintuitive introduction to the band, something to combat a certain perspective of their work. It isn't even my own personal preference (though I do love those songs and that side of the band). My own list of favorites would have to include "Waiting For the Man," too.
As for "Sunday Morning," I disagree. Lyrically, yes, I do think it's more a closer than opener, but musically I think it works as an opener, too. Actually I think it can work in either place, depending on the rest of the tracklist. But I do think it's a great opener for that album.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 9:09:58 GMT -5
What was the band's attitude regarding Andy Warhol "suggesting" that Nico join the group in 1966? How did Lou Reed feel about Nico singing his songs?
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Post by The Cap'n on Feb 17, 2019 9:31:27 GMT -5
Mixed at best. I recently finished Anthony DeCurtis's biography about Reed and from what I could tell in it (and what I'd read before elsewhere), everyone liked Nico (and both Reed and Cale were romantically linked to her at various points), but Reed especially was not happy to have her inserted into the group. His feelings were apparently mixed, though, as he also was happy for any chance at bigger success. So he agreed, but simultaneously undermined her chances ... a kind of self-sabotage he repeated every time he approached real opportunity.
Anyway, he reluctantly gave her the songs he did and refused the one song he reportedly was instructed to write especially for her: Sunday Morning, which he sang himself in an attempt to show he could "sing pretty."
But of course he also wrote for her first solo album, played with her again in the early 70s on occasion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:50:42 GMT -5
Anyway, he reluctantly gave her the songs he did and refused the one song he reportedly was instructed to write especially for her: Sunday Morning, which he sang himself in an attempt to show he could "sing pretty."
I can hear Nico singing "Sunday Morning", but at the same time whenever I hear Lou singing "Watch out, the world's behind you. There's always someone around you who will call." - I think of Lou singing it TO Nico.
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