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Post by Mikie on May 10, 2023 14:17:52 GMT -5
And of course the overarching argument that all of this had to be done to "save Brian's life" - an argument which is patently ridiculous but is parroted time and time again in Beach Boys/BW commentary.
In late 1982, Brian was 311lbs, smoking like a chimney and hoovering up every drug he could get his hands on. How much longer do you think he would have lasted ? Correct!! Landy saved Brian's ass the first time and especially the second time. That should be inarguable. I know what transpired during Landy's tenure and I don't think anybody in this world has ever condoned that shit. 'Cept maybe Alexandria Morgan and the Surf Nazi's. And even then.... I remember many of us fans suspected something was going down, even in the late 80's. And especially after reading this book and it's companion in 1992:   |
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Post by Sam_BFC on May 10, 2023 20:48:25 GMT -5
His binges of the mid-70s and early-80s had already given him irreversible brain damage that significantly affected his speech and cognition (no matter how much people want to blame the entirety of the damage Brian did to himself on Landy's overmedicating.) Hmm. In the immediate period following the second Landy recovery, Brian looks great and is lucid. From that point to the end of Landy 2 there is evidence of regression in his speech and cognition. Skip ahead to say the 1985 Live Aid interview footage and he is acting a little off. Then by the time of say the Diane Sawyer interview it is clear to say there is something seriously wrong even if he did recover well to an extent after Landy was gone for good. |
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Post by jds on May 11, 2023 16:47:52 GMT -5
His binges of the mid-70s and early-80s had already given him irreversible brain damage that significantly affected his speech and cognition (no matter how much people want to blame the entirety of the damage Brian did to himself on Landy's overmedicating.) Hmm. In the immediate period following the second Landy recovery, Brian looks great and is lucid. From that point to the end of Landy 2 there is evidence of regression in his speech and cognition. There's evidence of regression in his speech and cognition years before he met Landy. Heck, just try to imagine Brian using the word "semantics" any time after 1968. This isn't disagreeing that Landy over-medicated him and that this resulted in noticeable tardive dyskinesia, this is disagreeing with people who blame everything on that. |
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Post by west on May 20, 2023 13:28:13 GMT -5
Just happened upon this clip on YouTube and thought I'd leave it here.
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Post by gerry on May 25, 2023 9:34:46 GMT -5
This period was Mike on steroids: the success of Kokomo, the songwriting lawsuit etc. Mike never missed an opportunity to mention that Brian had absolutely nothing to do with Kokomo. To top it off they are going to record an entire album without Brian. Up until 1989 when Mike was constantly rubbing the success of Kokomo in Brian's face I liked Mike, now I'm just sort of indifferent towards him, which I'm sure keeps him up at night.
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Post by lonelysummer on May 25, 2023 21:33:36 GMT -5
This period was Mike on steroids: the success of Kokomo, the songwriting lawsuit etc. Mike never missed an opportunity to mention that Brian had absolutely nothing to do with Kokomo. To top it off they are going to record an entire album without Brian. Up until 1989 when Mike was constantly rubbing the success of Kokomo in Brian's face I liked Mike, now I'm just sort of indifferent towards him, which I'm sure keeps him up at night. I can't stand Mike Love of that era. He seems a bit mellower these days; but if i wanted to annoy him, I would ask him about the sales of SIP versus BW88? I'm sure even Sweet Insanity has outsold that stinker - and it wasn't even released! |
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Post by AGD on May 26, 2023 0:56:34 GMT -5
According to SoundScan data, SIP sold "sold" 25,000 units... but bear in mind that a very large portion of those were when it was bundled as a freebie with the 1993 box set sold through QVC.
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Post by ironhorseapples on May 26, 2023 2:50:26 GMT -5
What happened between Carl expressing his desire to work with Brian in the studio in the above video, and his nixing of the '95 sessions?
Sadly I think the second Landy era caused a rift between the brothers which never fully resolved itself, with Brian's 'autobiography' being the main culprit.
I'm glad Brian got to see Carl shortly before he died, and I hope this serves as some comfort to Brian.
I should imagine the whole Landy situation is still a complex issue for him, I remember him expressing great sadness on his death. Personally I put Landy at the top of the pile of the many villains in the Beach Boys story.
The fact that he 'saved Brian's life' does not cancel out the irreparable brain damage his prescriptions caused. It was his job to save Brian, it was whaut he was being paid an obscene fee to do. At best this damage was caused by gross negligence, at worst a nefarious strategy to control Brian and keep his cash cow. Unforgivable.
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Post by Micha on May 31, 2023 4:01:26 GMT -5
What happened between Carl expressing his desire to work with Brian in the studio in the above video, and his nixing of the '95 sessions? I guess he wanted to work with Brian instead of for Brian. I could imagine Carl preferring to be involved in the creative process rather than just perform what he was told to like it was still 1966. Too bad for us, as the Wilson/Paley material was great. |
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Post by ironhorseapples on May 31, 2023 9:38:12 GMT -5
What happened between Carl expressing his desire to work with Brian in the studio in the above video, and his nixing of the '95 sessions? I guess he wanted to work with Brian instead of for Brian. I could imagine Carl preferring to be involved in the creative process rather than just perform what he was told to like it was still 1966. Too bad for us, as the Wilson/Paley material was great. How much creative input did he have on Summer in Paradise? Feel free to correct me. but wasn't he just phoning it in on that album. Some have suggested he was trying to protect the Beach Boys legacy as he felt the '95 material was sub par. But he was happy with Summer in Paradise??? I still think the answer comes down to politics. Landy drove a wedge between them. |
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Post by Autotune on May 31, 2023 16:03:36 GMT -5
I guess he wanted to work with Brian instead of for Brian. I could imagine Carl preferring to be involved in the creative process rather than just perform what he was told to like it was still 1966. Too bad for us, as the Wilson/Paley material was great. How much creative input did he have on Summer in Paradise? Feel free to correct me. but wasn't he just phoning it in on that album. Some have suggested he was trying to protect the Beach Boys legacy as he felt the '95 material was sub par. But he was happy with Summer in Paradise??? I still think the answer comes down to politics. Landy drove a wedge between them. Out of sheer ignorance… working on a modern-sounding lightweight project was no problem for Carl, such as the Beckley-Lamm-Wilson album shows. But I’m sure working with Brian had a wholly different vibe. As anyone with a close relative who is mentally ill knows, you never know if they’re being manipulative or if they’re manipulating you. Carl probably felt that a lot of the ideas weren’t Brian’s, maybe he did not think as highly of Brian as a producer since he could witness his decline as a chief commander in the studio who knows since when, and he also was deeply hurt by how he was portrayed in the autobio. So Brian says he was clueless about a book with his name as author on it that humiliates Carl but is now commanding Carl in the recording of a potentially multi-million recording project? |
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Post by Micha on Jun 6, 2023 15:27:14 GMT -5
I guess he wanted to work with Brian instead of for Brian. I could imagine Carl preferring to be involved in the creative process rather than just perform what he was told to like it was still 1966. Too bad for us, as the Wilson/Paley material was great. How much creative input did he have on Summer in Paradise? Feel free to correct me. but wasn't he just phoning it in on that album. Yes, that's true, and he didn't want that all over again only this time with Brian at the helm, at least that's what I assume. And you're right about Landy driving a wedge between them too. |
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Post by Micha on Jun 6, 2023 15:30:16 GMT -5
Carl probably felt that a lot of the ideas weren’t Brian’s, Who cares whose ideas they are when the ideas are good? I don't think that played a role, rather the other points you made. |
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Post by lonelysummer on Jun 8, 2023 15:56:33 GMT -5
Who cares whose ideas they are when the ideas are good? I don't think that played a role, rather the other points you made. I think Carl was naturally suspicious of many of the people hanging around Brian. |
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Post by johnmalone on Jun 9, 2023 12:12:54 GMT -5
I read the Wilson Project about 10 years ago, and its contents made my stomach turn. Landy was evil. And Alexandra was complicit. I did some digging a while back, and several of the doctors involved with Landy in Brian's 1983 rehab operated on the "edge" of the profession (i.e.: quackery). One of them (Murray Susser) gave up his license years after this time period. If you can track down Alexandra's Facebook page, you'll see she's still "friends" with most of these characters.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jun 9, 2023 21:54:18 GMT -5
I read the Wilson Project about 10 years ago, and its contents made my stomach turn. Landy was evil. And Alexandra was complicit. I did some digging a while back, and several of the doctors involved with Landy in Brian's 1983 rehab operated on the "edge" of the profession (i.e.: quackery). One of them (Murray Susser) gave up his license years after this time period. If you can track down Alexandra's Facebook page, you'll see she's still "friends" with most of these characters. The story we got back then was that "traditional methods didn't work with Brian". |
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Post by jk on Jun 11, 2023 16:43:47 GMT -5
 Who's Jerry Shilling?  And who's Frieda in the dedication?  |
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Post by AGD on Jun 12, 2023 2:23:25 GMT -5
Frieda was either Landy's or Morgan's mother. Can't remember and, frankly, don't care.
Edit 6/13: Dammit, the research gene is very dominant: she was Landy's mother.
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Post by jk on Jun 12, 2023 3:52:11 GMT -5
Frieda was either Landy's or Morgan's mother. Can't remember and, frankly, don't care. Haha. Okay, thanks! |
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Post by jds on Jun 12, 2023 20:23:53 GMT -5
I read the Wilson Project about 10 years ago, and its contents made my stomach turn. Landy was evil. And Alexandra was complicit. I did some digging a while back, and several of the doctors involved with Landy in Brian's 1983 rehab operated on the "edge" of the profession (i.e.: quackery). One of them (Murray Susser) gave up his license years after this time period. If you can track down Alexandra's Facebook page, you'll see she's still "friends" with most of these characters. I'm still amazed that people's takeaway from the Wilson Project is that Landy is evil when Usher was neutral at worst on Landy. Usher is just as hard -- if not harder -- on the Beach Boys' management. |
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Post by Autotune on Jun 12, 2023 20:46:43 GMT -5
I read the Wilson Project about 10 years ago, and its contents made my stomach turn. Landy was evil. And Alexandra was complicit. I did some digging a while back, and several of the doctors involved with Landy in Brian's 1983 rehab operated on the "edge" of the profession (i.e.: quackery). One of them (Murray Susser) gave up his license years after this time period. If you can track down Alexandra's Facebook page, you'll see she's still "friends" with most of these characters. I'm still amazed that people's takeaway from the Wilson Project is that Landy is evil when Usher was neutral at worst on Landy. Usher is just as hard -- if not harder -- on the Beach Boys' management. Heck, Usher is just as hard on Al Jardine. The true hero in The Wilson Project is the Linn 9000. |
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 12, 2023 21:12:58 GMT -5
Mike wouldn't care how Brian's solo album sold.
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 12, 2023 21:15:22 GMT -5
There's quite a bit of 'landy stuff' coming up in the Fall 2023 edition of ESQ that's covered in my interviews with producer Spencer Proffer, singer/songwriter Randy Bishop, and Jeffrey Foskett. And it isn't really because I asked … it's because Landy's interference and behavior stood out in everyone's minds.
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Post by esqeditor on Jun 12, 2023 21:22:10 GMT -5
I read the Wilson Project about 10 years ago, and its contents made my stomach turn. Landy was evil. And Alexandra was complicit. I did some digging a while back, and several of the doctors involved with Landy in Brian's 1983 rehab operated on the "edge" of the profession (i.e.: quackery). One of them (Murray Susser) gave up his license years after this time period. If you can track down Alexandra's Facebook page, you'll see she's still "friends" with most of these characters. Why would anyone hunt down Alexandra for the sake of making sure she was still associated with bad people? What on earth does that have to do with the music? |
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Post by jds on Jun 12, 2023 23:18:40 GMT -5
I'm still amazed that people's takeaway from the Wilson Project is that Landy is evil when Usher was neutral at worst on Landy. Usher is just as hard -- if not harder -- on the Beach Boys' management. Heck, Usher is just as hard on Al Jardine. The true hero in The Wilson Project is the Linn 9000. Hahaha, the Al and Bruce stuff is great. |
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And who's Frieda in the dedication? 
